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    Disagree completely. The silver always seemed like an inappropriate accent color to use in the pinwheel, and I think most Blazers fans would agree that switching back to a primarily red/black/white color scheme is more fitting. I'm fine with them keeping gray(s) as secondary colors to be used sparingly for merchandising and promotional materials, and possibly even the alternate uniforms, but the main scheme should absolutely be red/black/white.
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    The Bears C is just a poor execution of cutting out the ellipse. The moved the middle point too far up. Both shapes are perfect ellipses with a rectangle cut out. The left side is vertically aligned, the right is moved up.
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    With the Blazers releasing their new logos yesterday, I figured I'd whip up some uniform concepts for what I think we might end up seeing. I have the primary home and road uniforms finished, so I'll start by showing you guys those. They're pretty similar to the current uniforms, but with some small tweaks. Both uniforms now feature v-neck collars, and the collar and armhole trim is now solid red on both jerseys. The wordmarks and numbers feature the updated typeface, and they're one color instead of being outlined. The signature uniform stripes now have space in between them to be more consistent with the lines of the pinwheel logo. Both uniforms feature a red tag on the waistband of the shorts with the ripcity logo inside. Lastly, I used OHSU for the ad on the jerseys, but they've yet to formally announce one. It's just what I'd like to see. I'm currently working on the alternate uniforms, so hopefully I'll have those posted in the coming days.
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    This is easy. Patriots' logo is Elvis, who was from Memphis, which is in Tennessee (like Nashville), and was known as a Giant in rhythm and Blues, which is influenced by Jazz, which is played at clubs in Philadelphia where an Athletic Phillie, wearing a Blue Jacket, may have needed to be Brave and Dodge a trolley to cross the street to get to so he could order a Brew to enjoy with some jazz-loving Senators who Flew up on a Jet from the Capital for the convention. How Patriotic. New England Patriots Memphis Grizzlies Nashville Pred Tennessee Titans New York / San Fransisco Giants St. Louis Blues Utah Jazzzzzz Oakland (Philadelphia) Athletics Philadelphia Phillies Columbus Blue Jackets Atlanta Braves LA Dodgers (stretch) Milwaukee Brewers Philadelphia Flyers New York / Winnipeg Jets Washington Capitals Ottawa Senators.
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    Arizona Diamondbacks Since Arizona can't decide for the life of themselves what identity they want to have, it's my series and I've made the executive decision for them! Heavily inspired by the team's first sets of uniforms, the Diamondbacks hit the field with a deep purple, turquoise, copper, and (yes, officially) cream. I went with "Arizona" across the chest on each uniform because 1) I never liked the look of just the "A" on the front, 2) "Diamondbacks" is just too big to fit, even when leveled, and 3) "D'backs" looks too much like "D'bags", and I can't take it seriously. So I feel like "Arizona" is the best option, and will let other elements show that this the Diamondbacks we're talking about, not the Wildcats, Coyotes, or Cardinals The uniform itself borders on traditional, but ventures into modern a bit with tapered piping on the sleeves and pants. The socks feature a diamond-stripe pattern inspired directly by the primary logo, some that I feel adds great pop and personality to the set. I kept only one cap because frankly, when looking at the set in its entirety, I felt an alt cap truly wasn't needed (and as you'll come to find in this series, I'm not one to include anything just for the sake of it. Everything here has a purpose). I intended each set to have a cohesive balance of colors, and any other type of cap I tried to go with everything - even purple with turquoise brim - threw everything off too much in my eyes. So yeah, just deep purple solid caps across the board!
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    My take on rip city is this; it's the flippin' National Basketball Association - the highest level of basketball on the entire planet - and quirky nicknames (as well as three-letter scoreboard/airport abbreviations) don't belong at such a professional level on a jersey. They belong in team lore, on T-shirts, other clothing, programs, miscellaneous "swag", and desperate Single-A baseball team uniforms. Call me a stickler, but the NBA should be above putting them on jerseys. "Portland" and "Blazers" suits just fine. Besides, the story behind "rip city" is pretty dumb anyways. An announcer said it during a loss? So the Jazz could put "SWAT LAKE CITY" on a jersey because I'm pretty sure Bolerjack coined it after a Gobert and Favors block clinic during what I'm pretty sure was still a loss? Mmkay.
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    On this board, it's going to literally be "all of them". So let's just wrap it up now, it's ALL OF THEM.
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    I'm really glad to hear all of the comments on my last 3 sets, both good and bad! Got 3 more for you guys today! First up is the Miami Heat! I've always disliked the Heat's uniforms because of the predominance of black in them. Black is a great color when used right, but for a Miami based team revolving around fire, I personally went with a much more colorful option here. Up next, is the Timberwolves! Throwing it back to their original color scheme with the use of their current wordmark I tried to make a mix of both eras. And lastly, the Rockets! I love the Rockets old color scheme here as well, and tried to mix that with a more modern design. As well as going back to having an actual rocket on the jerseys somewhere like the good ole days.
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    It's supposed to be Ohio (roughly). I'll have to work a bit more on that. Also tried my hand at a matching typeface.
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    Well, since this topic has been revived, I've decided to go ahead and re-post photos of my Pocket Pro collection since I completed it last fall. As I mentioned in my original post (and yes, I'm repeating myself), I now have a representation of every helmet worn in the NFL since 1960, including one-off preseason models and alternates. Many or even most had to be custom made. Up until last year, there had been three styles of Pocket Pros produced: two-bar, traditional, and Revolution. I tried to create each one in the style that is appropriate for the era or eras in which it was worn, somewhat arbitrarily using the two-bar model for 1960-79, the traditional model for 1980-2002, and the Revolution style for 2003 to present. The display unit is something I made using craft boards purchased at Lowes. Last year Riddell introduced the "Speed" model of Pocket Pro, replacing the Revolution that had been marketed for several years. I managed to complete the 2016 updates using Revolution shells, but I haven't decided if or when I'll start using the Speed model. Another decision will be whether or not to buy all 32 teams' current designs in the Speed model. Here's a comparison of the Revolution and the Speed, for those unfamiliar: I'd like to have been able to display them in order by city name, but that wasn't 100% possible if I were to keep each team all on one shelf and not split them up. When I get time, I'll to try to shift the Chargers upward, since they're now from Los Angeles rather than San Diego. The most challenging ones to create ended up being the 1994 Eagles 75th Anniversary throwback and the yellow and baby blue 2007 Eagles throwback. Also, I re-did the Buccaneers flags to make them the correct size. The ones produced by Riddell had flags that were too small. My only regret at this point is my failure to document the actual seasons each helmet was worn, as I was doing my research. I can still go back to the Gridiron Database and do it, but I could have had it done the first time.
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    @McElroy19. Ok as I mentioned yesterday my versions are heavily inspired by the U.S.A.F. Thunderbirds. Secondary is more Native Thunderbird design inspired. The only difference between the Primary marks is the addition of gray. Still tinkering with the secondary so if I get it to where I want it I'll post it a little later. Hope everyone digs them. Thnx!
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    I love the promotion of yellow/gold (whatever you call it) over navy, it helps their brand really stand out in an NHL full of navy blue teams. Our uniforms could be executed slightly better with a few tweaks and making the color of the helmet better match the color of the jersey, but overall I think that the Predators look is at its best that it has ever been.
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    I'd never heard of Rip City until they started wearing those jerseys. Is that my fault? Maybe it is, or maybe it's not a famous enough moniker to be used on an official team uniform. When you think about it the first thing a uniform is supposed to do is identify who is wearing it and in that moment I had no idea what team was from Rip City. I know who the Motor City is and even then I still think it's a dumb thing for the Detroit Pistons to wear on a jersey. If you want to call yourself Rip City or whatever go ahead, but I think putting it on a jersey is silly.
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    I'm a fan of Edmonton wearing orange simply because every Canadian team wears red or blue. It adds some contrast and distinction for Edmonton. Now if only the Sens would follow suit and drop their EDGE template by wearing black again.
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    I feel like the Chargers are the poster child of needing to go back
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    Welcome to what (hopefully) is my first completed concept series, the NHL City Mashup Series! In this series, I will be taking the identity of each NHL team and combining it with the identity of another team (different sport) in that team's city. Some rules I set for myself were Team must be in either the MLB, NBA, NFL, MLS, or CFL. The jersey must be in the style of the NHL team's jersey. The other team's colours will be the ones on the jersey. The fonts should be either the official team's font or a close matching font. Teams: Anaheim Ducks (Angels) Arizona Coyotes (Cardinals) Boston Bruins (Celtics) Buffalo Sabres (Bills) Calgary Flames (Stampeders) Carolina Hurricanes (Charlotte Hornets) Chicago Blackhawks (Cubs) Colorado Avalanche (Nuggets) Columbus Blue Jackets (Crew) Dallas Stars (Cowboys) Detroit Red Wings (Tigers) Edmonton Oilers (Eskimos) Florida Panthers (Heat) Los Angeles Kings (Dodgers) Minnesota Wild (Twins) Montreal Canadiens (Expos) Nashville Predators (Titans) New Jersey Devils (Jets) New York Islanders (Nets) New York Rangers (Knicks) Ottawa Senators (Redblacks) Philadelphia Flyers (Eagles) Pittsburgh Penguins (Pirates) San Jose Sharks (49ers) St Louis Blues (Cardinals) Tampa Bay Lightning Toronto Maple Leafs Vancouver Canucks Vegas Golden Knights Washington Capitals Winnipeg Jets without further adieu, here's the first mashup, the Anaheim Angels in the style of the Anaheim Ducks. (Yes, I am aware they aren't the Anaheim Angels, but heck with that) C&C is appreciated! I am also considering doing throwback jerseys for each mashup, I'd like to hear your thoughts on the idea.
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    Some more good info about the Blazers' new logos here: http://www.nba.com/blazers/forwardcenter/trail-blazers-update-pinwheel-prepare-jersey-changes Also, I absolutely love this animation of their logo history.
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    A thread about which teams are currently in their best look might be fun. Even if it would just eventually have every team possible like this thread will. Perhaps an unpopular opinion, but I think the 49ers last set was superior to the current. Though calling it an old set seems weird since the new one is basically a throwback to the 80s uniforms.
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    The Washington Capitals The Washington Capitals' current look was immediately lauded in the fallout of the Edgepocolypse around the latter half of the 2000s. It's easy to see why. Whatever you think of the Caps' original wordmark logo, the new one was a technically proficient update. The W/eagle alternate was clever and well-received, and the return to red, white, and blue was welcomed after the dreary 90s revamp lost even more colour with the promotion of the black alternate to primary status. Add in the fact that the Capitals' new Edge look didn't use a template like so much of the rest of the league at the time? It easily stood out as one of the best of the initial Edge offerings. Of course the limitations of Edge sweater design proved to not last long. Teams like New Jersey, Chicago, and Boston proved you could have straight stripes and hem stripes and cuts right out of the gate. Eventually most of the initial Edge designs fell away as teams figured it out it was remarkably easy to adapt traditional designs to the new cuts. New cuts that, as it turned out, would grow to resemble the previously used CCM/Koho cuts and materials. The tighter fits and sweat-resistant material proved very unpopular. So the Capitals' current set hasn't changed all that much. The socks were altered, and a throwback alternate was added. Other than that though? Nothing much. The lower standards of the immediate post-Edge league have risen, and the Caps' uniforms aren't nearly as praised now as they were then. I wanted to create something for the Capitals that was in-line with the more traditional direction league aesthetics are heading in without resorting to a straight throwback or the faux-retro Winter Classic design. First, I decided what I was keeping from all three sweaters in the current set. The W/eagle is good enough to stand as the primary, so that's what I used. I kept the current updated wordmark logo as the wordmark and alternate, and kept the idea of the stars on the sweater as a design element from the current throwback alternate. I didn't keep the old throwback wordmark logo though. It was just redundant with the updated version in its place. I also kept the current name/number font. For striping I decided not to reference the throwback pattern too much. I didn't want to keep any of the late/mid 2000s Edge pattern though. So I looked to the flag of the District of Columbia as a reference. That allowed me to integrate the stars into the design in a more subtle manner than the throwback manages. I used the wordmark alternate on one shoulder, but opted to use the DC flag itself on the other. Mismatching shoulder patches is something I think can work, if limited to a team or two. The flag has become such a visible symbol for the residents of the District, and the uniform striping was based off of it. It made sense to include it. The alternate is an homage to the 1995-2000 primary road uniform. I didn't keep the colour scheme, or the logos. Instead I opted to slant the wordmark logo so that it followed the diagonal waist stripe, much like how the original had the slanted eagle. I kept the W/eagle on the shoulders to homage the Capitol Dome alternate the 1995-2000 sweaters used.
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    Did you read the part where I said I thought it was stupid that Detroit wears Motor City on an alternate? That is most decidedly a more famous moniker and I don't think they should wear it on a jersey either. I don't think any nickname well-known or not is fit for a jersey. The Pelicans NOLA jerseys - bad. Hawks ATL jerseys - bad. Tampa Bay Lightning Bolts alternates - bad. If the Cleveland Indians ever tried to wear a jersey that said "Tribe" that would be bad. Now, I also don't get the Rip City nickname and it wasn't until a few years ago that I ever heard or saw it used, which admittedly could be my fault, but I lived in Seattle, I've paid attention to the NBA most of the time, I know who Terry Porter and Kevin Duckworth are, I've visited Portland, I knew some Blazers fans, but I had never heard about it until very recently which only compounds the badness of wearing it on an official team uniform. I say all of this as a person who if someone put a gun to my head and made me cheer for an NBA team the very short list would include the Blazers. Rational. Allow me to be perfectly candid - "Rip City" is one of the dumber nicknames I've ever heard, the origin story confirmed that, and remember that between me and you I'm the one who's impartial here. I wouldn't want my team to wear that on a jersey. Great for you guys. Wear it on a tshirt. Every sports city's got nicknames so you're not special in that regard. The actual team's uniforms should say Portland or Blazers. City and/or team nicknames don't belong on official team uniforms. Dumb ones really don't belong on team uniforms.
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    its one of my favorite sports logos because the idea/concept of it is so unique. the movement and relationship to the sport condensed into a single mark that actually makes sense. where most would have taken a basketball (or any other piece of sporting equipment if it were another sport) and slapped a letter inside of it, or set it on fire, this logo goes around all of that to complete what is a truly unique and clever mark. the only thing i ever questioned about it was the execution, and they've addressed that somewhat. i feel like they've fixed some things and broken other parts of it. the closed containing shape is better, i really like the mono-weight lines, the red being on top is fine because it's the primary color. what i don't like is the the lines close at the center now. it was done to divide the two "teams" in the mark, but it also weakened a sense of rotation and it doesn't quite look whole now— more like two different shapes sitting next to each other. im hoping the new uniforms will make use of what seems obvious, to pull those lines from the logo and incorporate them into striping or a pattern. otherwise, i think they missed a big opportunity with the wordmark, which is as plain as it gets and doesn't pair so well with the icon. still, even if the uniforms don't do that, there's the opportunity for a custom typeface to be used in marketing pieces. i'm just trying to a way/reason to use those lines elsewhere; that's a really key feature in this identity
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    "Hmm. We want to stand out in the Pacific Division from our nearest rivals, what colors do they all have?" "Black." "Ok, so we'll definitely want black involved. You know, fbs. What else you got?" "Well, Anaheim also has gold." "Well we gotta have gold! We're the Golden Knights after all! VEGAS BABY! ....But not too much gold I hope?" "No, no, it'll be secondary." "Good, good. What should we have for a primary then?" "Black!" "Well no, we want that to be fbs." "Oh, right. Right." "We do need something dull though. Like duller than dull." "Like, grey?" "Grey could work but only if we went darker. You know, to compliment the black." "Ok..." "Dark grey mixed with teal! Nobody uses teal anymore!" "Well San Jos-" "And a splash of Red!" "Red? Sir, I-" "We've got it! Dark Teal-Grey, Gold, Black, and Red." "I don't even think Teal-Grey is a col-" "Nevermind that, we'll call it 'Slate'. 'Cause that sounds coool." *Lights cigarette* "Vegas, baby."
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    Looks better with a black background.
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    I'm usually not a fan of two toned jerseys but these worked so well for me in a strange way.
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    The Las Vegas Knights This one's a bit different. I actually modified the team's name, twice. I changed "Vegas" to "Las Vegas," as I admit I'm biased towards proper names and all. This is reflected in the helmet wordmark. I usually don't highlight these, but this is such a minor change that isn't immediately obvious. The second change comes in the form of dropping "Golden" from the nickname. It's just "Knights" now. We don't know what the uniforms for this team will look like, but I actually did try to keep the home and road striping within the realm of what we're probably going to get given hints dolled out here or there by team management. Once I laid it all out? It became obvious there's very little gold. So just "Knights" will do. It's a better name anyway. So as far as the logos go. I dropped the team's primary entirely. It just looks too much like the Army Black Knights' logo. It's no secret that was the inspiration, but it's FAR too close for comfort. So I used the team's alternate, the Las Vegas star with crossed swords, as the primary. It's a strong enough mark to work in that capacity, I think. The star ties the identity to the locale in a way a Spartan helmet pretending to be a knight helmet never could. The crossed swords tie in with the "Knights" nickname. "Las Vegas Knights," all said without a single letter in one image. As I said, the colours and striping were kept as close to what I expect the finished product to be as possible. The slate grey is the primary colour, with black and gold as secondary colours. The hint of red seems a bit random, but is keeping with what Bill Foley hinted would be the case with a single red stripe to make the look "pop." I took the idea and tried to make it as nice as I could. I took the golden Las Vegas stars from the wordmark and arranged them in a stripe down the pants, just for a bit more character. The alternate is where I had a lot of fun. One of the names being thrown around was "Las Vegas Neon Knights," and I just thought that was coolest thing. So I used the concept for the alternate sweater. Only black from the primary scheme remains, and it's used as a base. Neon gold, orange, and blue are used for the stripes and highlights. It's a huge departure from the primary identity, but it's also brash and obnoxious. Like Vegas. It's probably not strong enough to work as a primary look, but as an alternate? I could see it being really popular.
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    USM will also wear 1997 throwbacks this fall:
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    I don't really wish any kind of failure on this franchise but they are making it very difficult to want it to succeed.
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    I actually that going back to these would be an upgrade for the Pacers current bland look. Another unpopular opinion: pinstripes look really good on a basketball uniform
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    Next up is Halifax. Despite being a smaller city with no current suitable stadium, there is a very vocal ownership group in the city with plans for a pop-up downtown stadium. It seems almost a lock that they will be joining in 2018. It seems that Halifax FC is the preferred name, but I decided to go with something a bit more interesting. I just love the name Kingfishers and thought it could make a great identity. The shape of the secondary is a nod to Citadel Hill in the city. The blue and copper colours come straight from the belted kingfisher native to the area, and I added the teal colour for a bit of extra pop. I think the teal and blue stripes is pretty unique in world football and helps to convey a maritime feel to the team. The clash kit features the reversed St. Andrew's cross of the Nova Scotia flag.
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    The Giants and Titans of NY wasn't a coincidence. The name Titans was chosen because the owner believed that Titans were mightier than Giants
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    I don't mean to sound dense, but does it really matter whether non-Blazers fans know the nickname and the reasoning behind it? Portlanders, Oregonians, and most importantly Blazers fans, from Portland and beyond, know and love the "Rip City" monicker and the history behind it. Blazers fans across the country and globe are aware of what it means, and that's the primary target of the organization. You say they're "selling the world over" on it, but they really aren't. Like @Webfooter said, when fans and the team wear it, it's an acknowledgement of the history and connection between the team, it's fan base, and the city of Portland. The team only wears the uniforms at home in front of their fans (with the exception being a couple of road games a few seasons ago), and that's because the connection between the two is what makes Portland "Rip City" in the context of basketball.
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    Im glad you noticed, I tried to make them similar without being too obvious.
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    When your practice uniform matches better than your actual uniform...
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    Isn't that largely a function of NBA rules, which seem to require a primary logo with city and team name? So teams technically have one but in practice use simpler and more evocative logos, which must be officially designated as secondaries?
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    Last fall, I sold my house in Minneapolis. I made a decent amount of money on the sale, which I used to clear my credit card debt then put the rest away. By late spring, I was really falling into some serious depression, exacerbated by issues at my work. I decided to quit (after proper notice, natch) and take some time away from employment, since for once in my life, I was in a place where I could do so. As travel is one of my vices, I decided to travel a bit... and then it transformed into this sort of plan. Is it the most logical or conventional thing to do? Nope. But maybe there's something to that "YOLO" idea, eh? I'm certainly not getting younger. That said, I was able to find some pretty decent deals on flights; in fact, I think the only flight that was over $1,000 was from Peru to San Diego (via Atlanta)--and that's because I decided to splurge and go first class, since I leave Lima at 1am. (Also, it was originally supposed to be just to Atlanta, but because the RoboSphincter [aka Mercedes-Benz Stadium] is delayed, Atlanta United is rescheduling their game against Minnesota United.) I haven't done the math as of yet; I should do that. Ok, math is done. The total for flights, train travel, and rental cars is just under $9,400, which includes the $2,200 indulgence for the first class flights back; with economy, it would have been around $8,400.
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    The continuing scandals indicate that it's not too late for the NCAA to do something about it. The lack of institutional control is ongoing. Unfortunately, that would require both a spine and sense of integrity. So our rogue school will be allowed to continue on its merry way because of who they are.
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    Here would be my short list of team who have looked better at some point in the past... Although I may be leaving someone out....
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    Took a lot of current features along with the throwback shadow font for the wordmark and numbers and put in a different kind of striping that's sort of a mix between the current style and the old style. Hope you guys like these, and I'm onto the Jazz now. After I get through all 30 home jerseys ill probably start on Away jerseys (which is really just flipping some colors and wordmarks.
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    Ok the second team in for 2020 is Toronto. There's been lots of words from TFC president Bill Manning about the CanPL in Toronto, but I think it's inevitable. If you want the league to be successful, a Toronto team is a must. I chose the name Dukes, which has been used here on the boards before (I most definitely stole it from chrisCLEMENT's NFA series. It's a great unique name, with a local tie (Toronto used to be called York, after the Duke of York). Plus, I've always wanted to make a soccer crest out of the heraldic belt, and this was the perfect opportunity (check out the current Duke of York's Twitter image). In the middle of the belt is a trillium flower, Ontario's official flower. The secondary logo is a large D with the CN Tower protruding out of it. I wanted to use blue in the colour scheme, but in a different way than the Argos/Leafs/Jays. What I came up with was a white and navy colour scheme, with the home kit primarily white rather than blue. I went with a sash on the shirt and hooped socks. The clash is a lighter blue from head to toe with pin hoops.
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    The last of the original six clubs is Winnipeg. With the Fury name already taken, I couldn't bring back the old Winnipeg Fury of the 1980's CSL, so I went with Strike instead. It works both in the sense of striking a ball, but also the Winnipeg General Strike of 1919. I paid homage to the old Fury in the design of the primary crest. the secondary is a torch, meant to evoke the torch being held by the Golden Boy, a statue which sits atop the Manitoba legislature building. The colours hearken a bit to the old Fury, but also the colours of the ribbon of the Order of Manitoba.
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    Brewers make the beer, the Packers organize and ship it off in waves to make Bucks for the entire operation
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    Hey guys, If any of you are into reddit I created a new sub for sports design. Follow it at r/AthleticAesthetics. .
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    Agree completely on the "5 on 5"/ motion. Distinct and clever, evocative of the sport but not so literal as a piece of equipment. It deserves to be timeless, even though they keep tinkering with it.
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    The way I see it, the CPL should add 2 new clubs every two years until they reach 12 total teams. For the first wave of expansion in 2020, I figure either FC Edmonton or the NASL (or both) will be done for, opening up the opportunity for a new team in the city. I went with an orange and blue colour scheme to call back to the old Drillers, as well as the Oilers. The name 1795 comes from the year of the founding of the first trading fort in the area. The crest features a marigold, the official flower of Edmonton, and wings, representing the city's aviation heritage. The secondary logo features a beaver in the same style, as a nod to the old Fort Edmonton. I tried working within the constraints of an Umbro template for the primary (based on Everton's current home kit) and went with a white shirt with orange sleeves and tonal pinstripes on the clash.