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    Well, you see, when you look at the numbers, they actually lead the board in fan attempts.
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    I don't get it. They're still just Nike uniforms. Why the hell should anybody care if they swap out the usual swoosh for a different logo? Good Lord, people can get themselves excited over the stupidest stuff.
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    Here is an idea for a series I've thought about doing for a while now, I got the idea from an old thread made by @User9113 and I thought I'd try my hand on making what I think could be a reasonable color scheme for every major sports team from a certain city or state. No 2 cities can have the same color scheme and every city with more than one team in either the NFL, CFL, NBA, NHL, MLB, or MLS. To start off I went with the first two teams in terms of alphabetical order, up first Arizona. For Arizona I decided that the coyotes current color scheme would be a perfect fit with the other teams, the brick red and sand give a desert vibe IMO and the colors fit in with most of the teams current colors, the cardinals just changed the shade of red and the color of the beak, the suns I thought could work with the colors being warmer, the coyotes already use these colors, and the diamondbacks already essentially had these colors just slightly different shades and no more teal. For Atlanta I knew I needed to have red since all 4 teams from Atlanta use some shade of the color, then I looked and saw that the hawks used to use yellow (unlike their current horrible neon yellow) and the braves have some yellow in their logo as well as Atlanta United having gold as one of their colors, I simple added black to those colors to get what I feel is a pretty "Atlanta" color scheme. Changes to the logos varied in amounts, the falcons just added a yellow outline where silver was and added a lot to their uniforms, for the hawks I just tried to incorporate all the team colors into it rather than their current just red and white, the braves just swited the blue to black, and Atlanta United changed their shade of dark red and their gold to yellow.
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    They did more than that. They added a bit of extra definition to the areas where the buffalo’s legs meet the body. The two most notable areas for me would be the space between the two back legs and the front left leg. The ever-so-slight revisions give the buffalo a bit more definition and most certainly lessen the “white blob” effect. It’s also worth noting that the sabre hilts were given a once-over too. The ends are more round and less bloob-like. Not really, no. The thing that dated the old Sabres logo was the sloppyness of the original design. It was never as bad as you made it out to be, but it was always there. Now though? All major elements of the logo have been touched up. It’s an undeniable improvement. In my opinion? There’s nothing holding this revised logo back. I disagree. There is no way Slabyk’s logo is on the same level as the Panthers or Knights’ marks. Both of those are pretty basic in design, and don’t have a lot of pointless, niggling details. Slabyk’s design, on the other hand, has a buffalo that’s both way too small and way too detailed. Never a good sign. The pointless shading on the buffalo and sabre blades scream early 2000s “detail everything and add silver” aesthetics. That he darkened the royal to navy and replaced athletic gold with faded old gold is too perfect because of course he did. I remember when he debuted those logos. He wasn’t alone. Every single Sabres concept posted on this forum from back then did the same thing; darken and wash out the classic colours, add silver, and use more detailed buffalo and sabres because detail is modern! I know, I made one. I even won Silver in @Brass‘s MS Paint contest with it Back then? That’s what we thought “updating a classic” had to look like. A logo that harkened back to an older mark, but with more detail, darker colours, and grey accents. Slabyk’s logo is among the better examples of these kinds of Sabres concepts, but that’s all they ever were. Concepts that were the products of the time they were made in. Good? In context, sure. That doesn’t mean they haven’t aged poorly.
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    We could have saved a lot of headaches by flipping Nashville and Winnipeg as soon as the Thrashers moved.
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    Something that l don't get is why y'all complaining bout the Dolphins jerseys. I mean l do like the throwback but only as a throwback , worn only 2 times per season and that's it. I think that their "new " set (the 2013 one) is the ideal blend of tradition (the logos and numbers' placement is identical to the one in the 97-2012 jerseys) and modernity. Being modern doesn't mean being Arena Football-ish, think about Minnesota or Seattle. And l also love the brighter colors I think they reflect the bright light and sea of Miami .The new logos and jerseys and the overall new identity fits well with the building (well technically they didn't build it from scratch) of the new stadium, creating a big separation between the "old" Fins (pre 2013) and the "new" ones . If they go back , l'll be a lil bit sad but that's only my humble opinion
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    "Raptors 905" still makes my brain throb. Imagine: "So you're the 905, and you play in Raptors? Where's that?" "No, 905 is the area code for suburban Greater Toronto, where our parent club, the Toronto Raptors, play." "So you play in suburban Toronto?" "No, we play in Mississauga." *cricket chirp* *long pause* "That's dumb."
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    My original plan was actually to simply have an alternate logo as a tribute to Oakland but leave the team as "California". I even considered calling them the Bay Nuggets at one point. Ultimately I went with Oakland because it just sounds better than the other two and I decided to go without a secondary logo because I felt the primary was strong enough to stand on it's own. I could maybe see an Oakland-themed third jersey in the future though. That's actually how I feel about leaving the 90s. Unfortunately, the 2000s won't be pretty at times. A lot of the 90s looks will be butchered by piping and darker colors before we start bringing back the classic looks at the end of the decade. I agree though about the Nuggets original logo. I could see the original colors (red, blue, gold) returning someday but if the "N" logo does return, it will only be as an alternate. I just realized I didn't post the other uniform changes, so I'll make another post with those. There are two new third jerseys coming out and one team promoting their alternate to full-time use but the Nuggets are the only major rebrand this season. I'll try to have those up tomorrow. Thanks guys!
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    You are absolutely right. I'm agnostic about the "NY", but the rest of it is a fantastic upgrade. Arizona Cardinals-level fantastic. Would make a great primary for the Sabres.
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    Huh. Yup, you seem to be correct ... Yet, the logo would be the correct one for their red alternates ...
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    Now that we're more than 25% of the way through the season, I have uploaded some of the graphs I've put together showing league-wide and team-specific uniform stats to a new flickr page. Feel free to check it out. I've tried uploading a few here but for some reason can't get the URL to upload.
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    If JuJu is fined and suspended then the Bengal who laid out Brown on that TD should also be fined an suspended.
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    I don’t think the Rangers ever wore a blue as light as is commonly used for “vintage” Rangers stuff, but I don’t think they ever used navy either. In all likelihood? It was probably always a shade of royal, getting slightly lighter or darker due to year to year inconsistencies that were quite common back then. The current Rangers home and road set is great, by the way. The italicized and drop shadowed font is modern enough (even though the font was only introduced in 1941, with the drop shadow following a season later) to not seem overly dull, while also not being depended on 1990s gimmickry like metallic outlines and needlessly pointed logo updates. Of course this leaves leaves the question of what to do with the Rangers as far as alternates go. Using the older, simpler font for the wordmark on a navy sweater is ahistorical, and a bit redundant given how much of the home and road look it echoes. The Liberty alternates are a nice change of pace- in many ways what @Morgo has been saying, alternates in the true sense of the word- but they haven’t aged well. The “NYR” monogram bugs me the more I think about it (it should either be “NY” or “RANGERS”) and darkening the primary colours while also adding silver is so 1990s it hurts. Also that updated primary logo as a shoulder patch. Woof. So if I may humbly propose a compromise. The Lady Liberty sweaters but tweak it to lose some of the overt 90s-ness. What to keep: The navy (@andrewharrington has mentioned the team wants their alternates to be navy), the general striping layout, and the Lady Liberty shield primary logo. What to ditch: Lose the silver entirely. Replace the “updated” logo on the shoulder with the classic Rangers shield. Lose the “NYR” momogram in the Liberty shield with either an “NY” or “RANGERS” mark. You’d have a sweater that echoes the best of the Lady Liberty look without the more dated elements of the design. Well the Sabres didn’t use their classic logo on their latest WC sweater. This is from the news article from the mothership... The Sabres made a series of tweaks to the old buffalo and crossed sabres. Each tweak being insignificant on its own but, when taken together, really clean up the sloppy and dated elements of the logo. I dare say the tweaked mark- minus the NY mark- would be a perfect update for the Sabres’ full-time look. His Sabres work was, as andrew pointed out, a product of the late 1990s/early 2000s. I loved it at the time, but then again I was a teenager in the late 90s/early 2000s. Looking back? It would have fit in with the sports aesthetic zeitgeist at the time but it would have aged poorly. What the Sabres did with the current WC sweater is ideal, I think. The classic logo has all the right elements in place. It just needed to be touched up a bit. They did that, and it looks much better. So I say drop the "NY" that's only there because the WC is in NYC and use it as the full-time mark.
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    Cotton ball or not, the point stands and is valid. The fuzzy details on the bison are too small and indecisive. It looks like the bison was intended to be a large stand-alone mark and was scaled down to be plopped into the circle. That’s objectively not the best way to do it. The shadows also don’t do a very good job of what they’re supposed to; establish a light source and define the different parts of the bison. They look quite random and the end result isn’t really a better or more defined bison, but rather just a splotchier one. As much as the classic logo is clearly of 60s/70s ilk, John’s was of quintessential 90s/00s aesthetic, which, on the whole, sacrificed clarity for dimension and depth. I think these days we’re beginning to see a better fusion of clarity, depth, and quality of illustration. For what it’s worth, I don’t think the Rangers ever wore a lighter blue. While doing research for Winter Classic, I came to the conclusion that this information has likely been inferred from a few sources without any physical evidence to back them up. First, there’s this image: Reason one to take it with a grain of salt: it’s not a photo. Reason two: even if you subscribe to the light blue theory, the commonly accepted position is that by the time they switched to red pants, they also switched to the classic royal blue. Reason three: there are other program covers from this era in which the aritist depicted the Rangers in royal blue (actually, this cover may very well predate the one above, judging by what looks to be tan pants as well as a 15¢ price tag): Illustrations are one thing, but many early photos show the Rangers blue being very light in value: I think these photos were taken with a filter to increase the contrast between the red and royal blue. Sans filter, the two colors look nearly identical in a monochromatic image because their values are so close. We can also look at a team like the Americans (a team who only wore royal blue) to help us debunk the theory: Here they are, and I chose this image precisely because it shows two of their early jerseys; one with red shoulders and one with blue shoulders. The dark color in this photo is actually red, but regardless of which value is red and which is blue, having both jerseys in the photo is the key that shows us how these types of filters can radically alter the value of a known color and fool unseasoned researchers (thankfully, there are quite a few physical specimens that allow us to use these Americans’ jerseys as a model for color comparison in this case). Side note, I think the Rangers’ team photo above, in particular, is also the main source supporting the theory that the 1927-28 jersey featured red typography with no white trim. I think this is also an erroneous claim because I wasn’t able to find any other convincing images to support it. What I did find is that the white trim was finer in the first few years than it was in subsequent years, and I think the combination of exposure and filter make the fine white trim blend in with the jersey color in this image. You can see below the players on the left clearly have white-trimmed lettering, but several players on the right (esp. in the back row) have the older jersey on. The letters are taller, the G has that low arm, and the trim is so fine that it tends to disappear into the jersey in some instances: Conclusion: the Rangers have worn royal blue since their inception.
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    The gray pants would've made the matchup look great. Dallas should never break away from it.
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    Yeah, to be honest, I was kinda relieved that the Frost won just because I didn't want history to start with a three-peat. The Expansion Council will be starting up soon, but I realized I should probably make sure enough people are interested before I jump into it (I figure most of you probably will be, but it never hurts to make sure). Like or reply to this post if you would like to participate. Yes, that name was in fact Matsuѕhita. That's really annoying, and I'm going to see if using "small roman numeral one" instead of "latin small letter i" (or some other substitute if I can find a better one) will subvert the censor there. Thanks for pointing that out.
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    You missed the best part; a raccoon playing... golf? The eyes on their new cap logo glow in the dark.
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    I can't help but wonder if the NHL will ask for another $500M from Quebecor for a second expansion bid, and then hang 'em out to dry once again.
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    Those were the two biggest things that challenge the accepted gospel of NHL uniform history. Other than that, mostly uncovered a bunch of great logos and typographic specimens from old jerseys. Fun rabbit hole for sure.
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    no, i dont think there's confusion to the end of "i don't know that's a buffalo" but there is a real craftsmanship issue there. its not well rendered at all, and even though its primary application is a large one on the front of a sweater, its still a logo and it needs to shrink down and be flexible enough to work at smaller sizes. it's a fine enough take on the logo, but thats not the quality i expect from a professional sports team
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    While you're absolutely correct, kids freakin LOVE the Jumpman logo.. Also, Nike has a history of reserving the use of the Jumpman logo for its slightly higher end products (comparatively speaking).. I would compare it to Chevy/GMC, where you can get the same exact truck model in the most equivalent trim-level, but the GMC will cost slightly more and have a few more standard bells-and-whistles, thus giving the basic impression that GMC is a bit nicer than Chevrolet.. I think the same basic principle applies here, although like you said, it's literally the EXACT same uniform in this case, just with a different logo.. Plus.... RECRUITS
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    Juju Smith makes a good block and shows some emotion. Can't do that anymore.
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    I have a friend who was 10th Mountain Division, and she loves the tribute.
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    They're not going to move the storied franchise of Hall Of Fame Hockey Builder Peter F ing Karmanos out to Seattle and kick Chicago east. It'll be Seattle buying in for something north of half a billion in non-HRR, and Arizona being delicately placed in the Central, where it will outlive us all.
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    2006 USFL Season Part 2 Brees and the Federals were one of the feel good stories of the season. Their 8-6 record in 2005 had won coach Del Rio the USFL Coach of the Year, but despite this no one saw them seriously challenging the Philadelphia Stars for the Liberty East title, but by season’s end the Federals had knocked off the defending champs twice, including a messy mud bowl in March and a sweltering shootout in June, and won the division and a bye. The other big mover were the Birmingham Stallions, in only their third year back in the league. Led by young Eli Manning and a powerful ground game, the Stallons doubled their win total from 2005, winning the new Independence Central Division and advancing to the Semifinal round. The new 2 conference format produced solid results across the USFL, though not without some complaints from fans in Pittsburgh, whose 8-6 record was not enough to win a wildcard in the Independence Conference, while the 7-7 Portland Grizzlies qualified in the Liberty Conference. However, once the games were played on the field, it was soon apparent that the last wildcard team in each division was not exactly a powerhouse in disguise as both Portland and Denver were absolutely demolished in the first round of action. The Championship, pitting two high-powered offenses, saw Carson Palmer and the LA Express taking on the upstart Washington Federals. Palmer and Brees dueled the entire game, each throwing for over 300 yards and 3 TD’s. Brees found Antonio Freeman and Marques Colston for scores, but it was a late Palmer to Terrell Owens 44 yard TD on a sluggo route that gave the Express the win and their first title since the Steve Young gem in 1997. While LA won the game, the talk around the nation that July was of the suddenly bright future of the Washington Federals. 2006 USFL Final Standings INDEPENDENCE CONFERENCE LIBERTY CONFERENCE EAST *WSH 11-3 *PHI 9-5 *BOS 8-6 NJ 5-9 CENTRAL *MICH 9-5 PIT 8-6 STL 7-7 CLE 6-8 CHI 5-9 WEST *DAL 9-5 *DEN 8-6 HOU 7-7 SAN 6-8 UTAH 3-11 EAST *JAX 10-4 CHA 7-7 ATL 6-8 BALT 5-9 CENTRAL *BIRM 10-4 *MEM 9-5 ORL 7-7 TBY 5-9 NOR 2-12 WEST *LA 11-3 *SJO 9-5 *POR 7-7 ARZ 5-9 LV 2-12 2006 USFL Playoffs Wildcard Round Dallas(3) d. Denver(6) Jacksonville(3) d. Portland(6) Philadelphia(4) d. Boston(5) Memphis(4) d. San Jose(5) Divisional Round Washington(1) d. Philadelphia(4) Los Angeles(1) d. Memphis(4) Dallas(3) d. Michigan(2) Birmingham(2) d. Jacksonville(3) Semifinal Round Washington(1) d. Dallas(3) Los Angeles(1) d. Birmingham(2) 2006 USFL Championship Los Angeles 38 Washington 35 2006 USFL Awards 2006 USFL Most Valuable Player: Drew Brees, QB, Washington 2006 USFL Coach of the Year: Jim Fassel, Birmingham 2006 USFL Rookie of the Year: WR Marques Colston, Washington 2006 USFL Relocation, Expansion and Uniform/Logo Redesign 1. The Las Vegas Vipers began play. Their “tattoo-inspired” design utilized a deep forest green, a metallic copper, and for the first time in pro football, a metallic mint green for the helmets and pants. 2. The Utah Stags began play. Their uniform combined a hunting motif (blaze orange, deep brown and honey gold) with a unique shoulder treatment designed to resemble a rack of antlers.
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    2006 USFL Season Many would argue that the 2006 season in the USFL actually began in August of 2005 when Hurricane Katrina ravaged New Orleans and the Superdome. Unlike the NFL’s Saints, the USFL’s Breakers were not in season during the tragic events of Katrina, but both the Breakers and the league did all they could to help the people of New Orleans recover from Katrina, holding several fundraisers, support activities and personal appearances to buouy the spirit of the Crescent City. For the 2006 season, as the destruction of Hurricane Katrina and the damage, both physical & psychological to the SuperDome made play in New Orleans itself impossible, the Breakers split their time between Lafayette, where they held training camp and where many of the players lived during the 2006 season, and Baton Rouge, where the Breakers games were held throughout the season, at LSU’s Tiger Stadium. The strain of the offseason and the constant feeling that they were playing road games despite a strong Louisiana crowd in Baton Rouge led to a pretty miserable season for the Breakers, who dropped to the worst record in the league. The other big news of 2006 of course was the addition of two more expansion teams in the West, with the Las Vegas Vipers added to the newly renamed Liberty Conference West and the Utah Stags added to the Independence Conference West. Both teams did well at the box office, though the Vipers were handcuffed by the lower capacity of UNLV’s Sam Boyd Stadium, and a tendency for visiting teams to travel to Vegas and buy up tickets, leading to a general lack of home field advantage for the Vipers. The Stags had no such issues as they were embraced by the Salt Lake-Ogden-Provo corridor. With special provisions that scheduled Stags games only on Friday, Saturday or Monday, the USFL both diversified their scheduling and helped to appeal to the large Mormon community in the region. Neither Las Vegas nor Utah spent heavily to attract top regional or former NFL players. Utah’s biggest snag was rookie QB D.J. Schockley, acquired in a trade during the territorial draft from Atlanta. For the Vipers, former NFL rb Chester Taylor was the biggest name on the roster. As is to be expected from expansion franchises, both teams struggled to find cohesion and to win games. For other USFL franchises, the 2006 offseason was a relatively quiet one. There were, of course, some coaching changes during the offseason. After 7 largely futile seasons the St. Louis Lightning let defensive guru Dick LeBeau loose. The San Antonio Outlaws, having failed to make the playoffs in his entire tenure with the team, also let go their defensive guru, Wade Phillips. St. Louis would go for a young coordinator to lead the team, signing former Michigan OC Mike McCoy, while San Antonio went for experience in the much-traveled offensive coordinator Joe Pendry. In other coaching hires, Las Vegas would nab energetic former Toronto Argonaut player and coach Michael “Pinball” Clemons as its first head man, while Utah went with former Detroit Lions and Chicago Machine DC Kurt Schottenheimer as to lead the franchise. In player news, while there were no big-name players crossing between the NFL and the USFL, there was quite a bit of player movement within the league. Most notable was the draft day trade that sent Dallas CB to Utah for an early draft pick eventually spent on Oklahoma Guard Davin Joseph. Pittsburgh sent 2 defensive players to a shore up a beleaguered Arizona Wrangler defense and snagged Wrangler RB Najeh Davenport and TE Ben Hartsock. But by far the biggest trade was between the Denver Gold and the Charlotte Hounds. In addition to swapping picks, Charlote sent starting QB Matt Schaub to Denver, receiving Denver QB Michael Bishop and receiver Charles Rogers in return. Several big names in college ball also found their way to the USFL, with Ohio State’s A.J. Hawk suiting up to play LB in Cleveland, Vandy QB Jay Cutler going to St. Louis, LSU’s leading rusher Joseph Addai going to the Breakers and USC back Lendale White heading to the Wranglers to replace Davenport. However, when the Rookie of the year award came out, it was not these big name players who walked away with it, but a late round wr from Hofstra, Marques Colston, taken by the Washington Federals who stood above the others. His 52 receptions and 9 touchdowns from new Federal QB Drew Brees turned him from training camp fodder to a Cinderella story star in 2006, and helped propel the Federals deep into the playoffs.
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    I think that's a little too much yellow for the Falcons... It makes them look more like the McBirds than the Dirty Birds...
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    Every team in the league doesn't need a standard block number font. It's a different change of pace than it's predecessor and still legible.
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    Hopefully this is used somewhere on the uniforms/compressions/etc. It seems too good to waste!
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    I thought Dallas announced that they'd use the color rush white pants in this week's match-up?
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    Nice throwback vs. throwback matchup in Miami last night: Of course the original uniforms these are both based on were never actually worn against each other, as the final season the Warriors wore that particular uniform was ‘86/87, and the Heat’s first season in the league wasn’t until ‘88/89, but it was nice to see a matchup of throwbacks from around the same era.
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    Somebody should come up with a place to catalog Sports Logos on the Net. I bet they'd be a kajillionaire. http://www.sportslogos.net/logos/view/059vdba8xygvqj6shc0h65zxt/Houston_Astros/2000/Stadium_Logo
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    Nice catch. It seems to be about 18 inches shorter, maybe 2 feet at most. Not sure when I'll b able to make the update, but it'll be on my list.
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    I agree with @ATolly66 but really the drop shadow would make the dolphins perfect
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    He layed his shoulder right into his chest. Their helmets hit but the location of the human head makes that a bit hard to avoid. Also, Burfict was about to tackle the runningback. How is that not reason enough to hit him? He was in hot pursuit.
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    DC United does a good job incorporating DC iconography without being over the top RWB: Unfortunately, there's a hint of Third Reich, so you win some and lose some.
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    If that's the case I really want to see Seattle wear the green CR socks with the white over blue combo.
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    Preach. Colombus is closer to Cincy than Sacramento is to San Jose for crying out loud. If you want to use the SoCal teams (which might as well be on another planet in this scenario), Cincy is closer to Chicago than either San Jose or Sacramento are to Carson. Sacramento is also bigger than Cincy. This "California has enough teams already" talk is such nonsense. This area is kinda terribly underserved. If the MLS goes with Cincy and Nashville this round over Sacramento because they want to "Grow the game" (which is garbage) they're going to kill a LOT of the goodwill they have in this market. They've been so far ahead of everyone else for so long now that it would be almost insulting if they passed us up for either Cincy or Detroit, both of which have been kinda rushed. As someone in our circles said, if Sacramento doesn't get a team this round with all of the work they've done to make this happen, people may riot.
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    Yep, well put. I think the argument that multiple teams can’t have similar color schemes doesn’t give good design enough credit. As you stated, no one would confuse the Nets for the 76ers, Pistons, etc. The Kidd set had a look of its own. Its the same for the argument against multiple purple teams back in the day; the Raptors never looked like the Suns, the Suns never looked like the Bucks, and the Bucks never looked like the Lakers, and so on. They each had designs that set them enough apart, so multiple purple teams was never really that much of a problem. I feel it to be the same for RWB teams, not just in basketball but for the most part across sports.
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    I still find it funny how they're on this "we're proud of Oakland! Really!" kick two years before they abandon them. Don't get me wrong, I still love the design and the (very late) commitment to it, but it just feels like a way to soften the blow instead of actually being proud of Oakland and the East Bay.
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    Or baseball players, or basketball players, or anyone else for that matter...
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