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18 hours ago, Survival79 said:

 

If only it were that simple. The feet on this panther are a :censored:ing travesty.

 

I dunno. Adding a bunch of detail back there doesn’t seem right, either.

21 hours ago, cajunaggie08 said:

Those were bluebonnets? Maybe looking from the top. A side profile would have made it more clear those were bluebonnets.

All the flower illustrations and patterns  are made of torn pieces of paper, and the side view just didn’t translate, so we went with the top view because they kinda look like spurs.

@dont care

https://texassuperstar.com/plants/maroon/realmaroon.html

On 2/21/2023 at 12:44 PM, Ringneck75 said:

Kansas' BLM uniforms are nice.

Definitely one of my favorites. The sunflower, the primary colors, bringing the circus home lol…

On 2/7/2023 at 10:35 AM, SSmith48 said:

I can't get past the BHM look saying "AGGTIES".  Interesting idea, bad execution.

 

Nebraska also got BHM uniforms, although it's pretty much what they wore last year.

On 2/8/2023 at 2:12 PM, cajunaggie08 said:

Its a modern take on our 1969 uniform. It was a bad idea then and a bad idea now

 

All the wordmarks on the men’s jerseys are throwbacks to what the first black players at each school wore, so that’s the past element. The present/future element is the “give ’em their flowers while they’re still here” patterns on the side panels and in the wordmarks, which were created with either the state flower of each school or one that is iconic to campus (like the maroon bluebonnet on the Aggies’ uni). 

3 hours ago, tBBP said:

 

Of course not following the Coyotes I didn't know anything about any of this or who a Rhuigi was, so I did a little background research and it turns out dude's been in the fashion design/streetwear biz for quite a while now.

 

For anyone else curious about this Rhuigi Villasenor, here's a Forbes article on him, which also partly tells how he became involved with the Coyotes:

 

Rhuigi Villaseñor Of Rhude Becomes Head Creative Of NHL’s Arizona Coyotes (forbes.com)

 

Back to the jersey...seeing his previous work with paisley does indeed explain the stripped-down kachina pattern (which I feel like the Coyotes could use to pretty great effect so long as they don't go too far out the box with it). As for that chest script, thanks Andy for explaining the inspiration. The final execution doesn't really do it for me personally (but then, these weren't designed for me either ), but at least now I know what led to the styling of the final piece. 

 

 

Just imagine if the uni was black like the Arizona night! Lol, I get it. We worked through the crest for a looong time trying to figure it out, trying alternatives, old things, new things, etc., but they kept coming back to the rocky Arizona wordmark.

On 1/18/2023 at 6:47 PM, tBBP said:

 

Okay—I just got a better look at this. What exactly were they going for with that script? Looks like a one-click Illustrator Live Trace job...

It’s supposed to look rocky. Rhuigi’s vision was a shooting star over Camelback Mountain. The stripes and the way they turn up the side  are meant to evoke a classic bandanna design, something that he sees as a symbol of Southwestern and Latin culture and a motif that shows up often in his early work.

2 hours ago, Bathysphere said:

YES! I’ve been wondering where to complain about this. The ads make the page take forever to load, it almost never loads all at once on the first try, and frequently the entire page falls apart mid-scroll and I have to refresh several times to get it back to a proper readable website. Writing a post is nerve wracking because you have no idea when the website will spontaneously combust and you have to start over.  I’ve tried the notes app strategy, but whenever I paste text from an outside text box, it shows up in this font that is much bigger and uglier than the rest of the website. I know this community runs off of a generic message board shell, so whoever is responsible for that shell has some damn work to do web design-wise. It’s almost 2023!!

I know the font thing can be fixed at the time of pasting. At the bottom of the pasted text, click the “place as plain text” link and the big font will go away.

11 hours ago, Volt said:

Correct.  The brown did not change.  I do believe the change in orange, however, changes the way our eyes see the brown in print/digital applications.

As far as jerseys looking different, I don't think they are; it's likely lighting when you compare those two photos as again, Nike didn't change their brown.  If anything, the difference in fabric from the templates would be to blame.

5 hours ago, FiddySicks said:

Agreed. The old shade of almost milk chocolate-y brown was a lot more distinct. The new brown isn’t necessarily bad, but on first glance I always confuse it for black. The old shade of orange was better too, IMO. 
 

I keep hearing all of this talk about how Nike has a somewhat limited color palette for their fabric swatches. I’m wondering if that’s why the Browns really decided to alter the colors. 

Cleveland used a custom color for its brown going back to the Reebok days (2006 maybe?), and officially they carried that color over through the identity update. In 2021, however, they quietly switched it back to PANTONE 412, which is their classic brown that was used prior to 2006. This brown is actually lighter than the previous custom color.

In textile, however, the Reebok-era Brown would have been a brown in Ripon’s palette. Now, I’m not sure if they actually dipped a custom color or simply used their stock brown. You’d have to check out a 2005 gamer vs. a 2006 gamer to see if the color actually changed.

All manufacturers have limited color palettes, and there are business decisions centered around factors like minimums, efficiency, waste, etc. so generally, if it’s close, a stock fabric is going to be used instead of dipping a new color that’s very similar to the existing one. My guess is that the anecdotal difference people are seeing between a Reebok jersey and a Nike jersey is simply the difference in the stock browns used by both brands’ respective manufacturers, but again, you’d have to look at two gamers to compare and/or talk to someone who worked in development on either side to know for sure.

And yes, someone in Philly is likely being far too picky about the kelly green if they haven’t been able to get an approval by now. I can understand it with midnight green, as that is a unique color that no one would carry in stock and you’d want to really get it right from the jump, but this long of a timeline for a basic green is not normal.

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Unrelated: is the mobile version of the message board becoming unusable for anyone else? The ads make my phone hot, and constant lock-ups/freeze-ups are followed by random page reloads. I’ve resorted to composing posts in the Notes app on my phone and pasting in because I can’t get the message board to work long enough to type a post, which is why I haven’t been posting much

18 hours ago, uniformity said:

Sorry, I didn't expect an Annie Hall moment. I don't mean this personally towards you. It must be quite an honour to redesign such a significant and historic logo. Johnny Canuck has been at the centre of a branding debate for the last 50 years with this franchise.

Maybe I take this more seriously than I should but I am a long term fan of the Canucks so I am invested. This logo is important to me. I have researched and know the history of the WHL team quite well. Better than most people. I have collected hundreds of pictures of the team and have seen those uniforms. I know how that logo looked on their uniforms and in print materials.

 

This looks out of proportion to me. I am not the only person with this opinion who has commented online. I thought it was ok to post a comment here, since this is a forum where people talk about the minutiae of sports logos and uniforms.

I mean, of course it’s okay to post comments and critique, but if it’s questionable critique, you’re probably going to hear it coming back the other way.

So, you raise, I call? The added ankle support on the back skate is the only edit I made to any of the proportions (so the two skates looked roughly similar instead of one being a low top and the other a high). Legs are true to the OG.

8 hours ago, uniformity said:

The RR logo is obviously stretched. They probably took a photo of a crest from bad angle and copied it. The legs are clearly longer and the torso is tiny. It looks bad.

What are you on about here? There’s like a single legitimate crest still around from this era on the entirety of the internet, and it’s what I used to draw the RR version (obviously, I had to take some liberties and use my own interpretation on some of the missing details and general cleanup, but you get the idea).
 

On 10/13/2022 at 6:03 PM, 4_tattoos said:

In fairness the Vikings, Rams and Eagles helmet logos are all considered secondary marks. Not a unique thing within the league's branding. Only thing with Washington is their primary and secondary marks are just color swaps of each other.

 

I'm still waiting for them to start selling burgundy hats with the gold W. Like the first secondary logo shown.

The Vikings, Rams, and Eagles helmet designs aren’t really “logos” though (and I’m not sure if any of them carry the helmet graphic itself as a stand-alone piece within their identities). They’re certainly not commonly used on merchandise.

Man, that brand toolkit is awful. The fact that there are two diametrically opposite colorways for each background color and 6 (!) colorways for a white background? Come on. The worst part is classifying the helmet logo as a “secondary” mark. Just doesn’t make much sense and seems very confusing for a designer or licensee to use effectively.

5 minutes ago, upperV03 said:

I’m pretty confident the wings are still painted on these. Decals would be a logistical nightmare for the EQ staff with all the different helmet models. I’ll see if I can get more info, though.

To be fair, wouldn’t painting be like, twice the nightmare? You have to apply the mask and then paint/clearcoat vs. just applying the decal.

On 9/2/2022 at 9:45 AM, NFLfan10 said:

Why do these teams now think it is bad to have contrasting elements? Couldn't keep a speck of navy anywhere? Why? For what reason?

There are specks of navy on the logo, facemask, lettering, numbers, and every stripe on the uniform.

Just now, Cujo said:

 

Ya. So ima assume those were orange leather. Not actually painted orange by design 

Why would you assume that when the exact same source shows the Bears wearing brown leather lids in previous seasons?

2 hours ago, TonyJets33 said:

The football is referring to "New York Football Jets" moniker... 

Forgive me, but why would the Jets lean into a phrase that’s so strongly associated with the Giants?

1 hour ago, the_grateful_ted said:

Especially considering how the best, most intimidating teams in the sport don’t utilize BFBS (ravens are a primary culprit in this). 

I think it’s kind of unfair to call the Ravens a “culprit” when black makes perfect sense for them.

31 minutes ago, Carolingian Steamroller said:

I kinda want the 2015-2019 color rush for the Browns to come back.

 

I liked the three orange stripes with the orange numbers. It worked well with the brown pants with two stripes.

 

It would allow the Browns to drop the stripeless brown pants while keeping the mono-brown look in their repertoire.

I mean, the only discernible difference is the number style. Either one works with either pant. The stripeless pants just never needed to exist in the first place.

It’s probably worth mentioning that the origin of spectator “color-outs” was likely Calgary’s “C of Red” in 1986… when NHL teams wore white at home.

And the most well-known/marketed color-out across college sports (where it’s really become a phenomenon) is the Beaver Stadium white-out, in which the Nittany Lions wear dark blue jerseys.

32 minutes ago, Carolingian Steamroller said:

 

Throwback socks had different stripe proportion.

Jersey, yes. Socks were the same:

On 7/15/2022 at 6:42 AM, gosioux76 said:

The suggestion wasn’t to adopt the name “Oilers,” just the colors. They can continue to be the Texans. So I don’t think an intellectual property claim comes into play if you’re not using the name. I’m also no IP expert, but I’m pretty certain you can’t claim ownership over colors on their own.

Technically, you can’t own the colors themselves, but it’s complicated by the fact that you *can* argue association and they (the Titans) would certainly have the point of view that the Oilers brand’s strong association with the colors and location would prohibit another team from using them in the professional football market (esp. in Houston).

10 hours ago, BBTV said:

 

I stand corrected, though I wonder if it was a conscious choice to not double up on Elvi.  I'm also wondering at what point she realizes that drinking that beer will be harder than expected.

 

 

Here's another fan in a helmet, though this proves my point, because this clown is NOT sane.  Why would you choose to do this?  And why would she allow it?

 

She’s a pro. If you look closely, you’ll see she’s drinking with a straw.

The Groom is just wearing his white jersey (the one pictured on the cake) underneath his black sideline cape.

9 hours ago, tBBP said:

 

I don't know about that...they would have had to wrest that IP from the New Jersey Devils to have a shot at it.

 

And regarding the Yeti foot--not to mention this particular tangent of discussion as a whole: I think sometimes people forget it's perfectly okay to have FUN with a sports brand (or at least an element of it)...okay, so what Sasquach was more related to the Himalayas than the Rockies? Unless you were at a zoo, you ain't never seen a penguin in Pittsburgh, either, and yet...they even went so far as to nickname the former Civic Arena/Mellon Dome "The Igloo". See? Fun. That's what the Yeti foot represented to me...a more fun, lighthearted aspect of their brand. And if you play it right, with an element like that, it actually allows for further brand expansion, probably for more like fan gear or something...imagine a bunch of Yeti monster T-shirts available for young fans. And while I'm on that tangent: think of the kids. If you want to hook kids on your brand, well...that there is how you do it: hook them on something fun. (There's a reason minor league baseball makes its living with that approach, after all.) On the other hand, sometimes the problem with going hyper-local is that you can paint yourself right into a corner which can prohibit potential brand expansion (and thus more revenue opportunities...yes, there's a business aspect of this to consider, as well.)

 

This all reminds me that not that long ago someone over in the Concepts section posted a design for a fictitious team he called the Carolina Crocs...and people jumped all over him for using "Crocs" as a nickname, mainly reasoning that there are no crocodiles in the Carolinas. I remember replying along the lines of "well there aren't any jaguars in Jacksonville, either, and yet...sometimes it's okay to have fun with a name. So what there aren't any crocs in Carolina? The name is fun and alliterative (much like Jacksonville), and sometimes that works just as well if not better than trying to go hyper-local so often.

 

Really the most important thing is finding something tangible that fans can connect with on an emotional level, whatever that is, hyper-local, fun and imaginative, whatever an organization feel resonates best and presents the best opportunities to generate connection and revenue...at the end of the day, that's the key to successful branding. (That's a free nugget for anyone who wants it...and for what it's worth, this is fifteen years of experience talking to you here.)

Re: The Penguins

I believe the name was actually inspired by the arena, which was already nicknamed “The Igloo”. Those little connections make it work.

Waffle cone partial logo. Nice.

1 hour ago, FinsUp1214 said:

Looking back on the LeBron 1.0 set, I loved the white home uniform but felt the red and navy uniform had some problems.
 

On the red uniform, the navy trim on the collar seemed really out of place and stuck out like a sore thumb (as opposed to the white uniform, where the navy numbers and side panel trim balanced the colors out right). And on the navy uniform - unpopular opinion alert - the barberpole stripes were too chunky and distracting for my tastes. I’d have much rather them kept the same template as the white and wine uniforms.
 

I still prefer the whole set over anything else they’ve worn since, but it definitely wasn’t without its flaws.
 

As an aside, I believe I’ve said this before, but the Cavs are one of the few teams in sports where I have no clue what thier ideal uniform or identity is, or should be. They’ve had so many identities and looks over the course of thier history (and even within my own lifetime) that nothing stands out to me as the “right” thing for them to do. They could switch to brown and orange tomorrow and I don’t think it’d even phase me. I mean, I do think they need to finally just pick something and stick with it for once, but I don’t think I even care what that is, as long as it looks good. That’s not a very good brand history to look back on when “just pick something, I don’t care” is the response it prompts.

For better or worse, getting beat by Jordan/all the LeBron drama *is* their identity at this point. The visual part of it is just along for the ride lol. I think they might be the worst offender in pro sports when it comes to building a signature visual brand.

35 minutes ago, adsarebad said:

It does not, the team is called avalanche, those take place in mountains, who lives in a mountain area?  a yeti, bigfoot. 

it's awesome, brilliant   , clever, funny. and it looked great, good design.

 

Colorado C flag makes as much sense as the Canada and Alberta flags on the Calgary Flames jersey. And looks just as bad.

Yeah, but the Yeti lives in the Himalayan mountains, and Bigfoot lives in the Cascades and Sierra Nevadas.