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  1. Two teams representing two different cities playing in a completely different city. To a completely empty stadium.
  2. I don't think anyone here is really attacking the fanbase when they want the Coyotes to be moved, but maybe I'm wrong. I think it's a mix of frustration with the stubbornness the NHL has shown in trying to make the team work, despite it very clearly not working, and the idea that it's kind of likely that their continued existence has literally killed people through what Glendale has had to cut to keep them. And I don't mean figuratively when I say literally. I mean literally.
  3. This made me curious, so I did some mathematical jiggery-pokery to help normalize small total attendance against smaller buildings. In a nutshell, if you draw 15k a night at 100% capacity, that counts against you less than drawing 15.5 at 85.5%. Obviously, there are some problems with this, but here's a table I'm getting all hoity-toity about and calling the NHL Relocatometer: .
  4. no Intercourse, Pennsylvania sounds better. For Satan's Kingdom, Massachusetts we can move the Devils there. What about Hell, Michigan? I'd suggest French Lick, Indiana, but we all know the NHL hates anything French.
  5. To be fair, there are sites for all former teams.With stats about the 2014 team, though?YesThe only one I could find: http://www.nfl.com/teams/profile?team=BOS And it's broken in the same way as the Rams one was. But that's hardly "all former teams," since all other relocated teams with a 2014 team have since been replaced in their vacated markets. The Staleys and Spartans do not seem to have pages.
  6. Must've taken you a long time to ask 18 million people what they think.
  7. I meant stronger in the way these thread imagine stronger, the theoretically stronger due to population version, not the actuality of stronger that actually puts a team in a city. Obviously, the "real" stronger that you speak of is the one that matters for a team actually showing up. But the theoretical stronger works great for leverage. Which kind of strength Kroenke's Hollywood Park land deal fits is still really unsure.
  8. I love the speculation as much as you all do, but I just can't take anything about a relocation to L.A. seriously until it actually happens. Why? Here's a quick rundown of vacated markets, post-merger: Cleveland - 3 years - 1996-1999 Houston - 5 years - 1997-2002 St. Louis - 8 years - 1987-1995 Baltimore - 12 years - 1984-1996 Los Angeles - 20+ years -1995-2015+ I don't think many would argue that any of the other markets are stronger markets than L.A., so if there were serious, pressing interest in making sure a team was in L.A., it would have happened already. Yes, the situation in L.A. is different than the others in many respects, but at this point, it seems more valuable as a threat than as a market.
  9. I went to a Spokane Chiefs game this weekend. They're a major junior team in the Western Hockey League (same league and division as the WinterHawks that keep coming up). Granted, they're generally near the top of the league in attendance but here's some fun facts: A Saturday night game between the Spokane Chiefs and a division rival (the Tri-City Americans) had 10,122 in attendance. The previous Saturday night, they drew 9,079. A Saturday night game between the Phoenix Coyotes and a division rival (the L.A. Kings) had 14,780 in attendance. The next Saturday night, they drew 12,151. For every ONE person in the Spokane area, there are NINE in the Phoenix area.
  10. First there have to be no bailouts or extensions (or successful investor finding, but who are we kidding?) before Jan 31. Then there needs to be no bailouts or extensions for a good while longer. Then Bettman and the owners have to allow TALK of relocation. Then the QC group will be put through an unreasonable amount of scrutiny, considering how little Glendale scrutiny there has been. If that's before whatever the relocation and rebranding deadlines are, then maybe it will happen. I would guess that we get one more year of hockey in the desert due to newly invented barriers to relocation.
  11. If ever there was a way to ensure that the NHL is never taken seriously by people who aren't already intensely into hockey, it would be another year off and proving your minor league status with a contraction. The less hardcore hockey people (which is almost everyone) don't give a crap if it's some political ploy to get what he wants; Contraction = Minor League.
  12. Chełm One popular humorous tradition from Eastern Europe involved tales of the people of Chełm, a town reputed in these jokes to be inhabited by fools. The jokes were almost always centred on silly solutions to problems. Some of these solutions display "foolish wisdom" (reaching the correct answer by the wrong train of reasoning), while others are simply wrong. Chełm tales were told by authors like Sholom Aleichem, Isaac Bashevis Singer and Solomon Simon. A typical Chełm story might begin, "It is said that after God made the world, he filled it with people. He sent off an angel with two sacks, one full of wisdom and one full of foolishness. The second sack was of course much heavier. So after a time it started to drag. Soon it got caught on a mountaintop and so all the foolishness spilled out and fell into Chełm." The short animated film Village of Idiots is based upon classic Chełm tales. Here are a few examples of a Chełm tale: Or, Or, Link!
  13. Does it really make the league more money? On the one hand, we have a $200M expansion fee. On the other, a $60M relocation fee. But in this case, the NHL also pockets the purchase price of the team, which adds another $170M to the party. So they could let les Quebequois buy the Coyotes (and move 'em) for somewhere around $230M, or they could go through all the trouble of folding the team, dispersing the players, re-working the schedule for an odd number of clubs, holding an expansion draft in two years, and after all that only collect $200M for a new franchise. It says they'll try to collect the $200M from both Quebec City and Seattle, but that doesn't seem to work, either. Setting aside that such a plan still leaves the league with an odd number of teams, adding two new franchises doesn't do anything about leaving $30M on the table from the Coyotes; they could move that team to QC and expand to Seattle and maximize their revenues. What am I missing? Or is this just another OITGDNHL moment? Not to mention that the only reason the selling price for the Coyotes has been so low is that they wanted someone to keep them in Glendale. If they open up the bidding with everyone knowing that relocation is acceptable, they will almost definitely get much more than the $170M.
  14. How is she still in office? Someone should tell her that there are more than three Canadians. There are at least four of them.
  15. I just figured, if we were going to start pulling out Futurama references... They need to elect the first supervillain mayor who is willing to steal all the world's monuments and move them to Glendale.
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