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JTernup

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  1. I don't disagree with this in theory but I think it takes aim at the wrong target. I will boycott purchasing jerseys and team items with the ads if I want to make a point. That is much more of an easily identified causal choice to teams than it would be to Wawa to fill up my gas at the Chevron instead of the Wawa.
  2. I’m a Gator fan and have said it in reference to the combo, I wouldn’t call it a superstition though. I just think the combo is terrible looking and happens to match Illinois who plays terrible on the field and tends to look terrible. I just really don’t think that combo is befitting of the Gators much in the same way I’ve thought our home white outs, Gator skin, and black helmet weren’t befitting of the brand.
  3. This conversation always makes me laugh. Your side always makes this second point like we can’t wrap our minds around a world league or that you’ve added something interesting or nuanced. Everyone gets it. Its like saying World War 2 wasn’t really a world war because Yemen wasn’t involved. It actually reminds me of when a child says something that is technically right but the adult just laughs it off and keeps living their life because they are older, smarter, better, and makes more money.
  4. It’s black, the lighting in the bookstore was terrible and I couldn’t get a more accurate picture.
  5. Not so much of an unveiling. More like I was walking through the bookstore on the way to lunch, snapped a pic and sent it to Gators Unis. I like them but I’m really hoping they’ll look better on the field (they usually do, replica jerseys look bad often).
  6. I was meh on the Nuggets city uniforms all season. I like them but didn't feel the need to buy one until they wore them way too much and had several of the franchise's most iconic moments in them. Hopefully the Nuggets will strong arm Nike and bring them back for next year. With all of that said I thought they were loosely based off of the old Denver Rockets uniforms this whole time and never made the Union Station connection.
  7. Side patches have been huge in the fitted hat collecting community for the last few years. This is just New Era and MLB trying to capitalize on that popularity and capture he fitted cap collectors and fans.
  8. I was just watching the Rays game and thinking about why the Powder over Grey doesn’t work for me. I typically think colored tops look decent over white or grey pants, but not in this case. Color Value! The powder blue and grey have nearly the same color value and it makes the set look very out of sorts. You either need a monochrome look or color value contrast and this Rays set has neither. Thats simultaneously why powder works as replacement for gray and doesn’t work with it.
  9. There is no reason that it needs to be retro. Appropriate road uniform colors in baseball history have been as follows 1) Grey, 2) Powder Blue and the Rays have decided to mix those and create a far worse look than all grey or all powder. Your second point is literally so false that I'll ignore it.
  10. I desperately want them to adopt powder blue pants. It just makes way too much sense at this point. You've got all these other teams creating contrived powder blue home alts and the Rays are the only team wearing powder the way it was originally intended and botch the pants.
  11. They nailed the color balance, not necessarily the colors. Outside of the rainbow itself both the black and white city rainbows were essentially two color designs with no outlined numbers, very minimal adornment, and minimal one color trim. Compare that to the classic rainbows which had a bright base color, three color twill, and bright gold trim. The new uniforms let the rainbow shine with a simplistic base while the old ones (as much as I love them) had a lot competing for visual interest. It can be of its time for general design and culture but still ahead of its time for an NBA uniform. Nobody else did anything approaching that level of detail and unique design for another decade. I wasn't around for the switch but if it were "dated" I'd say that is mostly a result of the general business I described above. Looking back on it now from a marketability, nostalgia, and memorable perspective it is clear that they dropped something that was great and could have continued to be with some updates for something that was completely forgettable and drab.
  12. I mean there has definitely been some infringement (Dallas skyline alternate comes to mind as well) but as the basis for an identity it would still be pretty unique. The red rocks and valley uniforms read as much more of a gradient than a rainbow to me. I totally believe that. It was honestly pretty far ahead of its time and the 90’s aesthetic was so dark and drab compared to the rainbows. FWIW I do think the recent black and white rainbow city jerseys of recent years nailed the color balance needed to really let the rainbow shine. The old school gold cuffs and Royal base were very busy alongside the rainbow.
  13. The way to think of the Nuggets' color scheme is blue and gold. They have always worn primarily blue uniforms with gold as a secondary and various tertiary colors (often red). It's definitely a unique way to handle a color scheme but I think it is much more consistent than what we've seen with the Jazz for example. As a Nuggets fan, I think that this idea that the powder blue was beloved is a bit wrong though. To a lot of Nuggets fans that almost feels like an era of Nuggets basketball rather than the basis of our core identity. The real issue is that they refuse to embrace the rainbows fully, which would really solve all of their identity problems in my opinion.
  14. That's the part of my commentary on Ottawa that keeps getting overlooked though. You can absolutely do that and have a successful brand (pretty much all of those that you listed) if you do it well. The Senators have literally always had one of the worst logos in the Big 4 though. If you have a bad logo and it's only tangentially related to your name you have a mess of a brand identity.
  15. It absolutely doesn’t need to be a literal interpretation of the name and I’ve never said it did. Hell, my favorite teams are the Nuggets and Chiefs, neither of which have literal representations and both have what I believe are awesome primary logos. The difference between the Sens and all of your other examples is that all of those actually WORK. In my opinion the Senators’ use of a Roman doesn’t, but I also recognize that the fan base and many others could disagree with that assessment. What is harder to disagree with is that they have never taken that already flawed inspiration and created a logo that is really good. I don’t think they’ve ever even cracked the top 75% of professional sports logos. To prove this point to myself I went through the rest of the big 4 logos on the mothership and the Clippers are the only equivalent I could find. Their primary logo SUCKS and is not a literal interpretation of a Clipper but I think we can all agree that it sucks because it’s a bad logo and it’s even worse because it is a poor representation of the name. That’s how I feel about the Senators. IceCap did a great job explaining some of my issues with the identity but I think this last part is especially prudent. You can’t reasonably compare how beloved a Peace Tower or alternative inspiration design would have been received because we didn’t get those under the same conditions we got the Roman senators.
  16. I get that fans are probably sentimental about the Roman logo but in a vacuum it's bad. The team is literally named the Senators, your problem with their branding leaning on being the capital is more a problem with the name than it is any branding choices. They do have a very tough branding niche to fill with Senators as their name and playing in the capital though. There is already a Canadiens, Maple Leafs, Canucks and even Jets that have their own versions of Canada imagery. Roman Senators just feels like a strange inspiration and has never been done particularly well.
  17. I don’t have much to add here but the Senators have to have the worst logo history in big 4 sports for my money. Those lifeless white faces, design flaws, and uncanny valley aspects leave nothing to admire. I’m sure their fans like the Roman Senator look but I’d be tempted to shift towards a Canadian capital logo like the Weagle or Nationals capital dome cap logo.
  18. I also hate the yellow patch, but it has nothing to do with the license plate. It was inspired by a Double Black Diamond ski warning sign. My big problem with the Rockies city connect is that horrendous hat logo. They described it as a tourist sticker, which is literally the opposite of connecting with the local community.
  19. The Suns' uniforms have become such a forgettable mess. None of their sets since moving on from the Nash era uniforms have been particularly good. They've muddled their primary color scheme with grey and black, they can's seem to stick with a style (sun burst, upside down/backwords word mark, bevels, gradients etc.). It's actually shocking that they've only had two overhauls in the last 10 years. I literally forget what their uniforms look like every time I see them because they are so forgettable and bland. At least when other teams destroy their visual identities there is a look that feels "right", I don't know what the Suns should be wearing at this point.
  20. Next time try reading my comment. They do sell them, they are currently sold out. I posted a youth size in an attempt to be helpful to you if they restock.
  21. Nike sells the throwback jersey in white. I think the piping is black and the on-field is probably navy (honestly can’t tell) but it’s passable. As of a couple days ago the team store (Bay Republic) had them in men’s but they seem to be sold out. Here is the kids jersey and the website if you want to keep an eye out for a restock of the adult jersey. https://thebayrepublic.com/collections/jerseys-rays/products/rays-white-youth-devil-rays-replica-nike-jersey FWIW I’d be shocked if we don’t get a full release this season. Now that it’s an official jersey Nike has started producing Authentic Collection Devil Rays gear.
  22. I don't know how old you are but there is absolutely no way you are part of my generation. Kids that grew up with Melo like I did absolutely revered him and never thought he felt like a rental. It seems like revisionist history to say that Mutombo embraced Denver so much more in his time with the Nuggets than Melo did. Wasn't the Nuggets WCF run just as memorable as the Mutombo 8-seed? I understand that you may not view him the way I do but it's undeniable that he was incredibly influential into the history of the team. Jokic taking his number doesn't mean that he isn't deserving of being honored IMO.
  23. Strongly disagree. He is probably the third or fourth most influential player in Nuggets history and revived a dead in the water franchise. Melo is still 3rd in franchise history in points and 7th in games played. The Nuggets have also been generous when it comes to jersey retirements. There is really no argument that Mutombo and Lever are that much better of Nuggets than Melo was. I understand that a lot of Nuggets fans still have hard feelings and I totally get it. I fell in love with basketball via those Melo Nuggets and was 16 when he got traded. It broke my heart as a fan. But, at this point it has become clear to me that you CAN'T tell the story of Denver Nuggets Basketball without Carmelo Anthony.
  24. Interestingly, the Nuggets have gotten themselves in the same position with Melo and Jokic both wearing 15 on completely different uniform designs. My hope for the Nuggets at this point is to retire Jokic's 15 the season after he retires and then wait a year and retire Melo's 15. Under this circumstance I'd like the Nuggets to differentiate their different uniform eras on the retired number banners rather than the generic style they currently use. (Edit: Just noticed @SailorOfSilence102 made the same point.) It seems like that would be the correct option for the Bucks as well, retire Giannis and then Ray.
  25. I'm a Rapids fan so I HATE RSL and am pretty biased against them... but that was their entire intention. Salt Lake had almost no soccer culture to draw off of so they purposefully called themselves Real and chose BYU and Utah U colors. From the beginning they were aware that they were using Barcelona colors but they seem to almost embrace that. It's incredibly uninspired and lame in my opinion and is truly the "original sin" that lead to such a boring and uninspired run of kits. https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/how-real-salt-lake-got-their-name-and-colors
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