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  1. pmoehrin

    2018 NFL Season

    I wouldn't call Gruden dead and buried. No coach is ever done in by one move, but the issues surrounding it are concerning. As far as I can tell there was no effort made by Gruden whatsoever to even get into contact with Mack during the offseason. Gruden said Mack didn't want to be there. But if I'm the best player on the team and the new head coach can't be bothered to take five minutes out of his day to make a phone call to say hello, I wouldn't want to be there either. Why Gruden seemed to have it in for Mack is the bigger question for me. The criticism from Gruden of Mack after he left to me is further proof that Gruden had no intention of ever having Khaili Mack on his team. You'll never get the whole story behind it, but something is going on between those two.
  2. We’re talking about one of the most economically depressed parts of the country where baseball is the number three sport. There was a time when New Orleans was one of the strongest minor league markets in the country. Baseball was a big deal at one time and New Orleans was a bit of a hotbed for producing big name prospects, most notably Mel Ott. They flirted several times with getting an MLB team through the 70’s and early 80’s, but there’s a reason why they haven’t been taken seriously since. That said, I could see them going to the Sotuthern League, but I could also see them being in play for the Texas Leagie. I don’t see much of a difference travel wise, which could also mean that it’s too far to justify for either league as well. Plus I’m not seeing it as an upgrade for either league, so this may be a market that’s done unless it can change their ballpark situation. Be interested to see how it plays out. Wichita I think will be an upgrade. A lot of built-in regional rivalries, better market, better ballpark, easier travel. All we have to do now is give them a name that isn’t along the lines of the Wichita Cornholers.
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    Indians Remove Chief Wahoo from Uniform in Toronto

    I used to feel this way as well, but I'm starting to learn more towards wanting a fresh start. I would want new colors, new wordmarks, everything. Just a fresh start from scratch as if it were an expansion team. I don't have anything particular in mind. Others can debate name, logo and uniforms concepts, but I think anything less than a full break from the Indians history is going to keep that conversation lingering around which has already gone on for far too long. I would certainly want to keep honoring the legacy of the Cleveland Indians. I don't believe in whitewashing history which why I feel like Chief Wahoo belongs in a museum. But that's the only place he should be in. The reason I don't let the Indians ownership off the hook for this is that I know the only reason they're getting rid of Chief Wahoo is that Major League Baseball has a gun to their head over it. If left completely up to them, they wouldn't have changed a thing, which is why I have no doubt they will continue to go with the Indian name and identity going forward which is just as much as part of the problem as Chief Wahoo in my opinion. The stubbornness on the part of the Indians ownership on this issue is something I will never understand and by keeping the Indians name they are still stringing this conversation along rather than just ending it, which they could do tomorrow. To be clear I wouldn't have an issue with the team going to the Blues or Spiders and keeping the colors, font, etc. The main point is to get rid of the Indian name. Only when the name changes will I consider the issue put to rest. Anything short of that to me is nothing more than an attempt to sugarcoat an issue that should have been put to rest decades ago.
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    Indians Remove Chief Wahoo from Uniform in Toronto

    I don't know why they keep taking these half measures. Just rip the band-aid off already and be done with it.
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    Introducing the Rocket City Trash Pandas

    I had never heard of the term Rumble Ponies until it was announced as the team name. I saw it as a desperate attempt to revitalize what is clearly a failing minor league team and city, and it hasn't worked. The only reason I think they still have a AA team is because the Mets are too cheap to find another potential affiliate. But as dumb as Rumble Ponies is, at least its not a derogatory term against horses. Why a team would want to name themselves after a negative stereotype of an animal and wear it as a symbol of pride is beyond me.
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    Introducing the Rocket City Trash Pandas

    The Rocket City Trash Pandas is who beat me to win my 2009 fantasy baseball league. Glad to see they're moving up in the world. In all seriousness though, Trash Pandas? Seriously? You expect players to say things like "I'm proud to be a Trash Panda" or "I'm proud to wear the Trash Panda uniform" with a straight face and mean it? I have no problem with giving somewhat ridiculous names to minor league teams. Nothing that's mainly intended for families should be taken that seriously. But this is too much. The one silver lining I see in this is that they finally pulled the plug on Mobile. I'd say roughly half the teams in the Southern League should not be playing at a AA level and I'm all for pulling the AA affiliation from that league and giving it to the Midwest League. But Mobile is the only team in the Southern League I don't even think could be justified at a single A level. On a good day, they're lucky to draw 1,500 fans. That figure would be barely acceptable from a collegiate summer league team. For a AA team, it's pathetic. Quite frankly I don't know how the team can even afford to pay the electric bill. I view the situation with Pawtucket leaving as a bit of a tragedy. The situation in Mobile is more along the lines of don't let the door hit you on the way out.
  7. Radius Population Average Household Income 2.5 Miles 16,932 $38,506 2.5-5 Miles 159,837 $36,969 5-10 Miles 251,105 $73,065 10-15 Miles 221,903 $78,403 15-25 Miles 442,569 $82,032 I've been to Coca-Cola Park, and it's a beautiful park, but there is absolutely nothing to see or do around it and as you can see from the chart above all of none of their fans really live that close to the park either.
  8. Just to clarify, I said AT LEAST 50%. This is what a 10-mile radius around the ballpark looks like on a map. I don't have the real figures in front of me or any way of estimating them outside of my intuition, but if I had to guess the actual number is probably around 75-85% I do have a program on my work computer that will give you a basic demographic breakdown of how each area compares regarding radius around a location. This is how the two compare: McCoy Stadium 2.5 miles: 66,372 people average household income: $30,303 5 miles: 339,963 average household income: $48,278 10 miles: 681,923 average household income: $60,241 15 miles: 1,095,652 average household income: $67,702 25 miles: 1,870,568 average household income: $73,359 Worcester 2.5 miles: 34,303 people average household income: $49,797 5 miles: 204,554 average household income: $49,342 10 miles: 352,543 average household income: $70,411 15 miles: 583,200 average household income: $77,113 25 miles: 1,338,614 average household income: $86,019 I included the 2.5-mile mark to show people just how bad the immediate area surrounding McCoy is. But the overall income levels of the general area surrounding the park is actually about the same compared to where they're going. If we could somehow pick up and move McCoy to another part of the area, I doubt we're having this conversation. It's not until you get out to the 10-mile mark that you start to see the income difference of the surrounding area come into play and the game plan starts to become clear for what the WooSox are going to try to do. It's a little tough to see what's going on at the 15 and 25-mile marks as the data sets begin to overlap at this point, but with Worcester, you do see these heavily affluent suburbs coming into play that Pawtucket cannot bring in. What this data set also doesn't show you is the increased ease a lot of people will have in terms of drive time. Anyone west of 95 and north of 495 is going be all for this move. The idea isn't to get people to come out for the game so much as its to get people to come out to Worcester and spend the whole day. That will make any long drive time easier to justify and you will likely be able to charge more to boot. Even if you don't get the same number of fans, you can make up any lost revenue with those increased prices. Pawtucket is not in a situation to do either of these things.
  9. Where I work is only a 25-minute drive from Brockton, so I know exactly what you are talking about and these are the same fans who have stopped coming. The population figures you posted are great and illustrates exactly why the team elected to stay in Pawtucket back in the mid-90's the last time this came up. This is why they didn't this time around. Median household income: Pawtucket, RI - 71,148 $28,214 Attleboro, MA - 43,593 $63,647 Central Falls, RI - 19,376 $22,628 East Providence, RI - 47,037 $39,108 Providence - 178,042 $26,867 Seekonk, MA - 14,371 $56,364 Worcester, MA - 181,045 $45,846 Auburn, MA - 15,091 $73,559 Grafton, MA - 5,700 $66,396 Holden, MA - 17,346 $73,614 Leicester, MA - 10,970 $55,039 Millbury, MA - 13,261 $51,415 Paxton, MA - 4,806 $72,039 Shrewsbury, MA - 35,608 $109,000 West Boylston, MA - 7,669 $53,777 I went through these numbers quickly so don't take them as exact quotes, but everyone should get the picture, and I know you are aware of this as well. At the end of the day, it's only the people with disposable income that you're interested in and this is where Pawtucket is lacking. The fact that the team is drawing as well as it is despite all of this is a testament to just how loyal that fanbase is. That's why I feel so bad for them.
  10. Part of my day job for my company is answering questions like this one and the answer is that it depends where you are on the map. I would be surprised if more than 10% of people were driving more than an hour to come to Pawtucket. But I could see at least 25% of people driving an hour plus to go to a game in places like Fresno and OKC. That 0-10 mile radius around the ballpark is going to make up at least 50% of your fanbase. But where you get that other 50% is going to be different for every team. The WooSox will have to bank more on what I would consider secondary market support than Pawtucket will, but they should have an easier time getting it considering where they are in the state.
  11. Portland is outside of the Red Sox territory though, so the Red Sox moving down there wouldn't necessarily mean Portland would be out a AA team. If the Sox were to move to Providence, my guess is a team like Erie or Binghamton would be swapped out with Portland just changing affiliates. Accessibility is something Worcester will have the edge over Pawtucket in. You have the pike serving anyone coming from east or west and 495 for anyone coming north or south. The local fanbase is going to be tough to replace, but their market size should explode both in terms of geographic and population size. Aside from the Providence area, the only thing they will lose out on is the Cape population which is already being pretty well served by any number of collegiate leagues that play there. They'll be able to pull in fans from places like Springfield now, which really was not much of an option before. It's also an easier drive now for anyone coming from Lowell or anyone north of Boston.
  12. The club will do just fine in Worcester. They're going to a well-thought-out area in a section of the state that is much more geared demographically to what they want. There's at least three independent minor leagues and collegiate leagues that overlap in Rhode Island, so somebody will make a run at moving into McCoy once the PawSox leave. But you will never see a team from Pawtucket at any level above single-A ever again. Pawtucket had been here before. The Sox were considering making this same move back in the mid-90's before the city agreed to renovate McCoy, but this has historically been one of the better drawing minor-league teams in baseball. Unfortunately, the market for minor league baseball in this area has collapsed, and there isn't a thing the PawSox did or could do to change that. Its one of the saddest stories in all of baseball that this team is shutting down because the fanbase didn't do anything to deserve this outcome. Parents don't want to explain to their kids why there is a used needle on the side of the road. That's why the team is leaving. A minor league team needs to bank on being in a family-friendly environment to survive. Pawtucket isn't giving them that right now and won't for another few years even under best case scenario. Even if the Red Sox decide to change their AA affiliate from Portland to Rhode Island, which I could see happening, they would only do so to go to a new park in Providence. Pawtucket wouldn't even be in the conversation. No other team besides the Red Sox can come in because of territory rights; otherwise, I could see them having an outside shot of landing Syracuse or Rochester, or even Gwinnett which has been nothing short of an unmitigated disaster. Best case scenario for them I would say would be going to the Futures Collegiate Baseball League. Its already given new life to a few minor league parks. Wahconah Park over in nearby Pittsfield which is about to turn 100 and is on the National Register of Historical places is in this league. They also have a club in Worcester which will probably be leaving once the WooSox come in as well as an odd number of teams. But as mentioned earlier I could see the Red Sox moving their AA team from Portland to Providence, and if that were to occur, I wouldn't see much if any reason to keep McCoy around. It's just been a sad sight to see this go from being a model of what a minor league market could be to one that will be scrambling just to maintain relevancy in a matter of a decade.
  13. The park isn't the issue, but the location of the park is. Attendance is down roughly 2K per game from where it was five years ago and its because Pawtucket has been one of the hardest hit areas in the country with the opioid epidemic. People are not keen on bringing their kids to an area they just saw on the evening news yesterday for yet another drug bust. As much as I would like to keep McCoy around, it's getting tougher and tougher to justify Pawtucket as a viable market. If Pawtucket wasn’t having these issues, my attitude towards the move would be very different, because you're right about how established that fanbase is and McCoy is one of the few historical minor league ballparks still standing.
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    Football and CTE

    The issues surrounding places like Penn State and Steubenville are disproportionately represented in the football world, but the inherent problems I see at the youth level are very similar to what I see across all sports. I sent out a half-joking half-serious tweet that my kid will never be allowed to play football, but he could coach the sport all he damn well pleases because that's where the real money lies. The influx of money into youth sports in this country has exploded. You have High School football coaches making six-figure incomes just from coaching. Even assistants can now pull in 40K+ a year depending on the program. The average salary of D1 head coaches is approaching the $2 million mark. And that's not getting into all the other non-school affiliated youth development leagues out there. People have to get out of this Victorian era mindset of youth sports. Your kid may not be playing for money, but if the team is worth damn, his or her coach is. If they can help better a child along the way as a human being, great, but it's not why they're there. No coach is making six figures because of the academic track record of their former players. It's pretty easy for me to see the incentive for a coach to push his players as hard as he or she possibly can. Then we sit back and wonder why the burnout rate is so high. Football happens to be in the inevitable position of being the sport that takes the greatest physical toll and therefore the sport under the most criticism. But swap audiences with basketball and I doubt the skepticism of studies related to CTE would be any less severe.
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    2018 NBA "Off"Season-Because It's Always On

    Well when every single right-wing pundit has an opinion on this, and they all speak at the same time, you're bound to get some contradicting opinions. Although to be fair, you really can't get four-plus hours out of "he said bad things about the President; therefore I don't want anyone to have a positive opinion of him" so you gotta spice up the arguments a little bit.