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  1. SFGiants58

    2018 MLB Season

    Addison Russell’s ex-wife opens up on his abuse. Yikes. Update:
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    Report: Marlins In Teal Again in 2019

    Either pass the stool or get off the can, Marlins. If the fans want the classic set, do a Diamondbacks/Brewers-style full-time throwback at the very least. I’m a fan of the Art Deco set’s potential (especially with that blue shade), but Loria’s directives meant that it has sadly never gotten a chance to fulfil it. Now it’s just going to be tossed in the dumpster in favor of renovating an early-1990s design that didn’t age all that well.
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    Unused Logos and Uniforms

    Put it in royal/kelly, stick a 2D Ottawa Centurion-style version of Johnny Canuck on the shoulders, and you’ve got the best the Canucks have ever looked (with some slight modernizations that don’t involve Agency font a.k.a. sports’ Times New Roman).
  4. Thanks! I had a feeling you'd like it. Here's a plain white version, which looks fairly similar to a White Sox prototype that surfaced on our unused logos/uniforms thread. While I prefer pinstripes, the plain white looks pretty good as well. Thanks for the C+C, it really fixed the design! It's hard to replace the fantastic gothic S-o-x, but a change of location makes such an adjustment possible. I'll probably replace the gothic S-o-x for both the Seattle and Tampa relocations, skewing modern with both locations. Thank you. I wanted something to mix up the team's visual identity and adding yellow/red worked pretty well. Anyway, it's time to prototype! MILWAUKEE BREWERS - A Tale of Three (Four) Prototypes Since I’m saving the Seattle Pilots for last in the series, consider this their chronological entry. We all know that Selig moved the Pilots to Milwaukee after purchasing them, with many of us having a familiarity with their first uniforms. These outfits merely stripped the lettering off of the Pilots’ jerseys, with the home uniform receiving a reduction in trim striping after a year (link to 1971 home jersey). However, the team did consider several prototypes before settling on this look. @Gothamite goes into greater detail on his website, borchertfield.com, but the gist of it is that the team created at least three designs. The first one appeared at a sporting goods store in Milwaukee, resembling the 1990-93 home set. A Tuscan/Tiffany font variant appears in several photos, both at Spring Training and at the announcement of the team at General Mitchell Airport. A third one popped up on the Baseball Hall of Fame website, using a barely-modified Pilots design (with an 1911-37 American Association-style “Block M”). Since my research turned up no minor-league affiliates with an “M” initial during that time period of ‘69-’71, I’m concluding that it is a prototype. My goal here is to take these photos and extrapolate what these full uniform sets would have looked like on Opening Day in 1970. I used the 1970-77 primary roundel, the emblem of the Milwaukee Brewers Baseball Club, Inc. Design One: Stick to the script. This design plays it traditional, with a navy/red color scheme and pinstriped home set. The road uniforms are plain, with an appropriate “Milwaukee” script. Design Two: Tuscan Sunset. I maintained the color flip from the 1970 look, while also implementing a Tuscan M for the cap (off of my Minneapolis Giants concept). Design Three: Rushing the gates. The home uniform features the block M, while the road uniform mimics this prototype highlighted in Bill Henderson’s book.1 I also kept the Pilots’ striped socks, for some variety in design. The “Block M” is on the caps (narrower than the fixed Cooperstown Collection design - more accurate than New Era’s, but could do to lose a little width). Design Four: My merger. I’ve combined bits of all three designs into my ideal 1970 Brewers design. We could argue that these designs demonstrate how the newly-relocated Pilots could have had some solid looks. Yes, they’re derivative, but they would have been excellent placeholders for the now-iconic (and I don’t throw that word around lightly, unlike some) Ball-in-Glove. Up next, the Second Sens! 1William F. Henderson, Game Worn Guide to MLB Jerseys: (1970–2017), Eighth (Philadelphia, PA: Aardvark Publishing, 2017), 992.
  5. Thanks for the C+C, guys! Thanks! I've long wanted to do the big "S" little "o" and little "x" style crest for a White Sox concept, an opportunity that this concept provided for me. I've incorporated your suggestions about the logo and number font into the concept, which really improved the design. Here is a comparison: Thanks again, @Carolingian Steamroller! Thanks man. I did get a Maryland vibe from the design as well, albeit with more white and more focus around the triple outline. The prototype story should be up tomorrow.
  6. Thanks! Thanks! The Royals' already classic logo made for a good base. Yes, the Milwaukee White Sox are next. Thank you. I wanted there to be a Royals influence in all of the Kansas City concepts, as I presumed that the team/s would have had Kauffman ownership at one point or another. Thanks! I get why the Royals' brand equity makes a purple/yellow recolor such a hard sell. I would prefer royal-powder for them with very limited gold accents (logos and that's it), alongside powder-tinted road grays. I do like the Buck seat tradition and that the Royals are stingy with retired numbers, so it makes sense why they're reticent to acknowledge the numbers of the Monarchs' players (especially with a degree of inconsistency). Still, I maintain that Paige deserves that honor, given his prolific career and Hall of Fame induction (with a Monarchs cap, I might add). Thanks, and I fixed it. It's much less crowded now. Thank you. I love purple/yellow and it was nice to dress up this A's/Royals/Monarchs hybrid in that look. There will be a bit of powder in the Milwaukee White Sox concept, just not in the way you think... MILWAUKEE WHITE SOX - Wirtzian Logic for the Weiß Socken This near-relocation has one of the more infamous reputations. I won't go into too much detail here, as there's an excellent Hardball Times article that covers it. The TL;DR of the scenario is that the White Sox were struggling to get people to Old Comiskey during the mid-late 1960s. Bud Selig, head of the Milwaukee Brewers Baseball Club, Inc., proposed to the White Sox President Arthur Allyn that they should hold both exhibition and "home" games at County Stadium. This was an effort to prove that Milwaukee was ready for an expansion team, even though both the NL and AL awarded teams to other cities.1 These games had fantastic attendance, which convinced Bud to try to buy the White Sox and move them to Milwaukee. With the appropriate Wirtz-style logic, namely that Milwaukee was adjacent to the Chicago market and wouldn't be too painful of a move, Bud made his purchase offer.2 The American League, learning from the National League's abandonment of the New York market from 1958-1961, decided it would not be in their best interests to give up one of the top three media markets in the country. So, Bud waited a few months and bought the bankrupt Pilots.3 But what if the AL had a brain fart and let this move go through? Let's assume that the move went through and the White Sox continued their long identity struggle through to the 1990s. After 1990, the team would have a radical redesign akin to the 1990 White Sox and the 1994 Brewers, blending team history (specifically, the 1917 and 1959 uniforms) and the Germanic typeface style popular in Milwaukee. This would stick, as the team settled into sustained runs of contention and a distinctive image. The design features logos based around both Marthas and the 1994-99 Brewers typeface. I wanted Milwaukee to have a really "German"-looking team and this provided me the perfect opportunity. The colors include black, red, and yellow, to give it a Germanic look. The hierarchy is the same as the German flag, with black, then red, then yellow. I kept the current team's diamond sock patch. Thanks for the consult, @coco1997! EDIT: I've adjusted the "Sox" logo to reflect @Carolingian Steamroller's C+C, as well as replacing the squared-off edges of the numbers with pointy ones. Here are the original images: Logo Sheet, Home and Road Uniforms, Friday Alternates, and dugout jacket. This is a modification of my previous White Sox designs, with black pinstripes on the home uniform and thick trim meant to showcase the full color scheme. The white socks now have two middle stripes to reflect the color hierarchy/mimic the German flag. I justified the double outline with the bleeding between red/yellow and yellow/white. I modded the Brewers' 1994-99 number font to better match the Marthas lettering. The black alternate jerseys have a limit on their use, with the home set featuring non-pinstriped pants. The alternates include a 1917 World Series emulation and my mock-up of the first "Milwaukee" road uniform. This one is powder blue and features a modified version of the Brewers' 1990-93 road script with the "White Sox" of the 1960s-70s road script logo. I based the rest of the design on the 1969-70 road set. The dugout jackets feature some fun design cues. The primary uses my modified 1987-90 "White Sox" script and sock-style arm striping, while the alternates feature period-appropriate designs (e.g., sock striping on the sleeves of the '70s model, the double American flags, etc.). The Milwaukee White Sox are a nice little blend of the Germanic Brewers and the 1990-present White Sox, creating a look that is distinctively theirs. C+C is appreciated, as always! Up next, a tale of three prototypes! 1Author's Note: Quite frankly, giving an expansion team to Milwaukee instead of Montreal (eventually subject to severe demographic issues and the hoopla surrounding Le Stade Olympique or Seattle (stadium obviously not ready, money problems with the expansion group, etc.) would have saved MLB a lot of trouble down the line. 2This is legitimately the logic thrown around as to why Milwaukee never got an NHL team. Staff, "A-side/B-side: Why Is It Okay for Wisconsin to like the Chicago Blackhawks?" Milwaukee Record, June 10, 2015, , accessed September 19, 2018, http://milwaukeerecord.com/sports/a-sideb-side-why-is-it-okay-for-wisconsin-to-like-the-chicago-blackhawks/. 3Frank Jackson, "A Short History of the Milwaukee White Sox," The Hardball Times, March 27, 2013, , accessed September 19, 2018, https://www.fangraphs.com/tht/a-short-history-of-the-milwaukee-white-sox/.
  7. SFGiants58

    Unpopular Sports Opinions

    Plus, corked bats are scientifically proven to have the same hitting prowess as regular bats. Therefore, it isn't advantageous. If only the black (despite "rejuvenation therapy" that one could point to as an outgrowth of colonialism in Latin America and the Casta System of New Spain) sheep of the Cubs' history knew. Speaking of unpopular opinions, the Cubs really should lift their Sosa ban, despite his transgressions.
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    NHL 2018-19

    The record books say it’s an expansion team with no connection to the old squad, so we’re sticking with it. Heck, the paper trail is less concrete than the “un-merger” that split the Seals/Barons/Sharks off from the North Stars.
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    Unpopular Sports Opinions

    Retaliatory beanings in baseball are stupid. The same goes for hockey fighting. The un-merger/de-merger should be the canonical origin story of the Sharks, not that they were a 1991 expansion team. Yes, I wouldn’t mind the Sharks selling “EST. 1967” gear, provided it also had the Seals’ logos on it. Shootouts/PK’s are good for their respective sports, just with no loser point. Mandatory therapy (with qualified/APA-approved therapists, obviously) for players in sports with high CTE risks is a good idea.
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    Unpopular Sports Opinions

    It’s the statutory rape part that makes me anti-Rose. One sex crime like that, and you’re out for good. Of course, proof of innocence would be cause for reinstatement.
  11. SFGiants58

    Unused Logos and Uniforms

    I’d have just gone with trim stripes like the Orioles. Thick, but not too thick. Most importantly, white would still be a trim color (black/white/black). Pair that with the sock diamond and the “Chicago” cursive script, and you’d be set.
  12. SFGiants58

    NHL 2018-19

    An updated 2D Senator on this jersey (with a better font for numbers, because Serpentine is a garbage font) would be perfection. Binghamton demonstrated how it’d look good as a white sweater. Save the barberpole for a third, to honor the pre-1992 history of Ottawa hockey. Also. don’t half-ass it like the old alternates and their wildly inconsistent stripe widths.
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    Pic: San Jose Sharks New Third Jersey Leaked

    Both logos the team has used are garbage. As I keep saying, I wouldn’t mind the team tossing their entire brand in the trash bin, save for teal sweaters and the name. All the rest:
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    Pic: San Jose Sharks New Third Jersey Leaked

    “We have this magic tool called Adobe Illustrator. Let’s push it to its limits!” You can sum up a lot of 1990s design this way.
  15. KANSAS CITY MONARCHS, PT. II B - Coronation of a classic Let's go back to our hypothetical scenario of Johnson renaming the A's after the Blues, with the assumption than Finley kept the name. Instead of trying to redeem the name after two garbage owners, Kauffman looked to revitalize the team after his 1966/67 purchase. He looks at the baseball history of Kansas City, and thinking rather progressively (for a baseball owner, anyway), has an idea. Why not use the name of the legendary Negro League team, the Kansas City Monarchs? (Left to right: Satchel Paige, Buck O'Neil, Jackie Robinson, and the 1921 team). While most of MLB's ownership really didn't give much a crap about the Negro Leagues at the time, the tide was slowly turning in their favor (e.g., Ted Williams' Hall of Fame speech). Let's assume that Kauffman, seeing both Williams' speech and the Monarchs' legacy (multiple league titles and two Colored/Negro World Series titles), decided to adopt the name after dealing with the appropriate rights' holders. He would then commission Hallmark to design an identity that paid tribute to the Negro League Monarchs while having a modern edge. Shannon Manning's design won out, with its combination of a crown, a banner/home plate, and a modernization of the Monarchs' classic "KC" logo (seen here in 1945, 1949, circa 1921, and 1924). The team would also eschew the blue of the Blues, instead opting to merge the Monarchs' red-heavy and blue-heavy (and also split balance) looks into a dominantly purple design with yellow-gold accents. The design, with its simple template and cursive scripts, would only receive tweaks in the intervening years. TL;DR: It's a mix of the Royals and the Monarchs in purple and yellow, much like I have done before and hinted at in the Unpopular Opinions thread. The primary logo is a modified version of the Royals' primary, albeit with the "Monarchs" cursive script and the new interlocking "KC." This "KC" features several historic influences, such as the 1952 insignia's serifs - with the 1945/49's angles on the right side of the "K" part, the circa-1940s version's top serif and missing wishbone edge - the latter also being an A's trait, and the general proportions of the aforementioned 1945/49 crest. These changes work well to modernize the insignia, keeping the letterforms different enough from other teams (cite @the admiral's bit about each team with a "C" having their own variant) while preserving the character of the design. The tertiary uses the "Heart of Kansas City" patch from the 1942 uniforms (@BigRed618, @coco1997 and @Carolingian Steamroller have also had fantastic updates of it), with the primary, the A's 1920s/30s insignia, and the Monarchs' Tuscan font "M" logo This was my way of injecting a bit of the Athletics into the identity, as I don't like the idea of a team that won five World Series and several additional pennants disappearing into the historical ether. EDIT: I removed the tail from the "Kansas City" part of the wordmark, per @Whittier S's suggestion. Here is the original image. The home and road set don't feature too much modification from my Royals concept, with similar sleeve/pants striping and use of the primary logo. The big difference comes in the scripts, which use the thicker Athletics'-style font (albeit with the "underline right stroke," used by the Royals since the early '00s). That way, the team can justify using a thicker/blockier cap logo than the current one (although the on-field embroidery is thicker than the print design - look at the discrepancy). The script's "M" has its roots in the Liebe recreation of the Royals' font, with some adjustments. The socks have a one-color Northwestern Stripe, like the 1942 Monarchs squad's hosiery. Numbers are block standard, while the NoB's are Rawlings Block. The alternates feature a few more historical homages. The gold top has contrast-colored raglan sleeves, like the 1940s uniforms. This trick only works when the body is a lighter color than the sleeves, BTW. The heart patch resides on the sleeves, while the "KC" is on the chest. The purple jersey has no white outlines, as the white bled with the gold a bit too much for my liking. The second set of alternates tributes the history of both the Monarchs and the Athletics. The 1942 Negro World Series Champion Kansas City Monarchs throwback is the same as in my KC A's concept, while the 1910 World Series Champion Philadelphia Athletics throwback is a new design. It has numbers, because I didn't want it to be too much of a throwback. They're the same font as my Reds concept. The dugout jackets have a few special features. The primary uses the Heart of Kansas City patch with Northwestern Stripes, the Monarchs throwback has the 1945 "KC" on the chest (modeled by Jackie Robinson), and the A's design features the final iteration of that simplified elephant logo. These Monarchs are easily my favorite Kansas City baseball concept of all the ones I've done. It's the perfect combination of different elements from the city's baseball history, a distinctive color scheme, and a name that honors the legacy of players like Satchel Paige and Buck O'Neil. C+C is appreciated, as always! Up next, what if the AL had a total brain fart and bought into "Wirtz-ian logic?" P.S. The Royals should retire Paige's #25. Paige should also have a statue at Kauffman Stadium, along with Buck O'Neil (replicas of the statues from the O'Neil's Negro Leagues Museum - in Kansas City - would work well). This is just a little aside from me.