Ice_Cap

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  1. https://la.curbed.com/platform/amp/2018/6/19/17480328/inglewood-lawsuit-clippers-arena-housing [insert sad trombone sound here]
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    Blandest Uniforms in Modern History

    I see we've quickly devolved into "post anything you don't like and/or troll." Good job, guys.
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    2018 FIFA World Cup

    England!
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    NHL 2018-19

    So maybe I’m in the minority but I don’t think an orange/teal/eggplant “rainbow” look on black would be that bad.
  5. This isn’t the place to discuss the Washington Redskins name controversy. Just getting out ahead of that.
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    NHL 2017-18

    Both teams never looked better. *mic drop*
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    NHL 2017-18

    Haida art doesn’t have nearly as many snarling orcas as you seem to think it does See, no. You dragged the unrelated fisherman into this to do two things you love doing. You love to play the “if you like X you must like Y!” game and you love to create arguments related to 90s NHL logos. So I’m going to do something I have refrained from doing in all previous back and forths we’ve had. As a mod? You will both stay on topic and you will take a less confrontational tone in both this and all future conversations on these boards. Thank you for your expected cooperation.
  8. If you don't want to give Canada an automatic spot in the tournament? Don't award a World Cup to a bid that includes Canada.
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    NHL 2017-18

    That's impressive on your part because you quoted the part of my post where I explained that, only to miss the point entirely. See below. The Canadiens' official name as a club doesn't include the word "Montreal." Come on now. He hasn't been used in 47 years, but people know what Johnny Canuck is, and he remains a visible part of the Canucks brand. Don't try to sell me on the idea everyone forgot about him, because that's ludicrous. And my point is that this comparison is superficial at best. Johnny Canuck reflects an earlier part of the team's history that has endured. The Islanders' fisherman logo was an attempt to cash in on 90s design trends. The context of both is why you cannot compare them. At all. And you know what? I don't even know what the Islanders have to do with the Canucks. How the hell did the Islanders' fisherman logo even enter this discussion? Oh. That's right. You brought it up, because you wanted to try another version of the "you like X? You MUST like Y!" argument you love to break out whenever you want to make a misplaced point about 90s hockey logos. Seriously. In no way should any New York Islanders logo ever enter the discussion regarding the Canucks' identity, but you felt the need to shove it in because you wanted to have another argument about 90s NHL aesthetics. Invoke JC all you want. My point is that when it comes to the Canucks' logo? Vancouver means more than the rest of North America.
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    NHL 2017-18

    I argued it by pointing out that people in Vancouver would have known who owned the Vancouver Canucks
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    NHL 2017-18

    Well if people in Vancouver know? That's what ultimately matters. I'm just saying you've got nothing to base that "90% of the population" claim off of.
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    NHL 2017-18

    Honestly? I don't know. I know that people in Vancouver would have been aware of Orca Bay S&E back in 1998, when the orca logo was introduced. Ownership changes are a huge deal in sports. People would have known the name of the new group coming in, and it would have raised some eyebrows when the new logo reflected the new owners. I have no idea if that sentiment has stuck around in Vancouver or not, but it wouldn't surprise me if it has. Regardless, multiple people in this thread have brought it up, and you yourself know about it to be able to dismiss it. So I'm not confident saying "most people" are ignorant about it. They may be, but it's not so clear cut.
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    NHL 2017-18

    Well Chromatic explained how they're different, so I'll just add to that rather than repeat what he said. The Bruins' logo uses a B. Sure, it could represent "Bruins," but it probably represents "Boston." Which is fine. Monogram logos should represent the city and not the team name. Well here we have the Canucks, using a C. They chose the wrong part of their name to base a monogram off of. Now you may go on about the Montreal Canadiens using a C, but remember. The Habs' official name as a club is "le Club de hockey Canadien" or "Canadien Hockey Club." So their use of a CH monogram is actually on point
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    NHL 2017-18

    Context is important. Johnny Canuck is based off of a logo that predates the NHL version of the Canucks. Yes, the modern version is an updated version of that, but it's still recognisably the Johnny Canuck logo. It honours the team's history, and the original is probably the logo the NHL iteration should have gone with from the get-go. The Islanders' fisherman logo replaced a logo that represented a dynasty. It had no historical connection to the Islanders, or previous Long Island hockey teams. It was an entirely new creation conjured up to take advantage of marketing trends at the expense of an identity that was associated with four Stanley Cups. So yes. You can find superficial similarities, but you're being wilfully disingenuous when you ignore the context that each logo exists in. Chromatic is right. It's really easy to say "if you like X you must like Y!" but it doesn't always work like that. You keep saying this, but the separate people who are bringing it up in this thread proves you're not entirely correct about that
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    NHL 2017-18

    Eh, I can't agree with that. The influences are certainly obvious, but look at the orca logo compared to that Northwest First Nations art. The orcas in the art are nearly smiling, while the logo has a distinct grimace. It's First Nations-inpsired, yes, but put through a filter of 90s design cliches. I feel much the same way about the current Seahawks logo too. The current logo is unnecessarily aggressive when compared to the original which more closely matched the Native art style it was based off of.