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  1. Seattle NHL Brand Discussion

    And like the Toronto Arenas (Toronto Hockey Club) and Montreal Maroons (Montreal Hockey Club)? Everyone just calls them the Ottawa Senators. They do that because that’s just how hockey works. This veers a bit from the “Seattle HC” discussion but I think tribalism in Seattle Sports is exactly why a colour scheme making use of red with green accents is the way to go. With the Sea Wolves rugby team adopting navy and neon green and attempting to ape the Sounders’ fan and team culture? The Seattle market is, frankly, over-saturated with faux kitsch. A primarily red identity that’s a hockey team first and foremost- and not tied into “everyone goes to the game with a scarf” culture- just might stand out in the crowded Seattle market.
  2. Seattle NHL Brand Discussion

    The first MLS team to adopt a “City FC” name (outside of DC United) was FC Dallas. In the heart of conservative Texas. Regardless? You’re forgetting that European naming conventions only work in MLS because soccer fans are, by and large, set in their tastes. “FC Dallas,” “Toronto FC,” and “DC United” fly because those names are in line with “that’s how it’s done” according to soccer. “City FC” isn’t the revolution you’re making it out to be. In fact that style of name’s prominence in MLS reflects the failure of the league’s attempt to revolutionise soccer naming conventions. “City FC” names and their prominence in MLS represent the victory of the status quo over “progressive” naming conventions as far as soccer goes. Where does this leave hockey? Well again, you’re talking about the NHL. Which, unlike MLS, represents the highest level the sport is played at in the world. Unlike MLS? The NHL “sets the standards” of the sport. I can only think of two non-NA style names in NHL history; the franchise that would become the Maple Leafs and the franchise that would become the Maroons. Both were officially known as only “Toronto” and “Montreal” at first, but it’s worth noting that we remember them as the “Toronto Arenas” and “Montreal Maroons.” Why? Well it’s because the prodomiennce of North American naming conventions dictates that we do. It just seems off to refer to the pre-St. Pats Leafs as “the Toronto hockey club owned by the Toronto Arena Company.” No, they’re the Toronto Arenas for all intents and purposes. Now Seattle’s progressivism...forgive me, but I’m finding it hard to see how that matters. Seattle’s just as much a haven for venture capitalism and the upper middle class as it is a hotbed of progressive politics, but that’s neither here nor there. I’m just saying. The Bay Area has just as much, if not more, of a history when it comes to progressive politics and no one seems put out by a “how it’s always done” name like the San Jose Sharks. New York is solidly liberal but neither “New York Islanders” or “New York Rangers” seems to be putting off younger crowds there. So why exactly is “Seattle HC” perfect for “progrsssive” Seattle? Is it because they like soccer? Well Seattle’s MLS team name is a weird hodgepodge of European and NA naming conventions, so I’m not sure what that proves. Is it because the young, urban fan base likes kitchy things that buck convention? That’s the only real answer I can seem to wrap my head around to be honest. Even then...I’m not sure how well that would work. I’m not sure how confident the NHL would be at marketing that name outside of a niche group of Seattle fans. Not to mention the very good point BBTV brought up. Team names used to develop organically among fans or the press. That’s impossible this day and age. Every colour commentator, journalist, hack blogger, and fan group knows the game from the get-go with a name like “Seattle HC.” Broadcasts, blogs, “official” fangroup sites, and Twitter are going to be flooded by people attempting to make their idea the “organic” fan choice. If the brass behind the Seattle NHL team wants a fan-coined nickname? They can run a name the team contest.
  3. Seattle NHL Brand Discussion

    Fans accept it in MLS because "City FC" or "City United" are considered the "standard" for soccer team naming conventions. That, combined with MLS' horrid North American-style names at launch, help people accept Toronto FC and DC United and even Atlanta United FC as suitable names. NHL fans, however, will not accept such a name. Yes, "City HC" or similar names exist in Europe, but North American style names have long been the standard for the sport in North America for over a century, where the game is played at its highest level. So people accepting it in MLS doesn't mean they'll accept it in the NHL. Each sport as their own aesthetic traditions and their own naming conventions that are not necessarily transferable to another sport.
  4. Because despite the insistence of the southern fans here on this site? They really do have an inferiority complex compared to any NHL market north of the Mason-Dixon line.
  5. Seattle NHL Brand Discussion

    No thanks. Won’t work in today’s NHL, and for good reason.
  6. Changes to Titans uniforms in 2018 are 'not minor'

    As far as I'm concerned? His info about the Jags being entirely discredited and his refusal to show the mod team his "insider information" (which he offered to do) after I accepted his terms proves he's full of it. I've asked this several times. Produce the info for the mod team to see, just as you offered to do, or back off.
  7. Welcome to the 90's

    That's the most 90s thing ever.
  8. Changes to Titans uniforms in 2018 are 'not minor'

    You’ve ignored every attempt on my end to take you up on your offer to show your “insider info” with a mod. You’ve ignored two public requests and one request made over PM. Either put up or shut up.
  9. Winter of Discontent: The 2017-18 NHL Season

    I never said otherwise. I merely find your assertion that Brad Marchand doesn’t benefit from some sort of bias towards “star” players laughable.
  10. Winter of Discontent: The 2017-18 NHL Season

  11. Winter of Discontent: The 2017-18 NHL Season

    For as dirty as Marchand is? He always skates by (ha!) with remarkably soft suspensions when he does get them. Someone in the league office likes him. I’m not surprised they gave him a pass for clotheslining a guy and then showing no remorse, but I’m still disappointed it happened. Dude’s a dirty player who gets off easy because he’s a “star.” Simple as that.
  12. Winter of Discontent: The 2017-18 NHL Season

    Not really, no.
  13. Winter of Discontent: The 2017-18 NHL Season

    The NHL is routinely tone deaf and up its own ass.
  14. Changes to Titans uniforms in 2018 are 'not minor'

    Might? Isn’t this the same colour scheme (more or less) that the Bills trotted out from 2002-2010?
  15. Changes to Titans uniforms in 2018 are 'not minor'

    Another Reddit rumour debunked? Whodathunkit?
  16. I get it. The Bengals looked awesome when they embraced tiger stripes (then they ruined their unis from the neck down in the 2000s, as was the style at the time). So why not see if it works for the Jags? Except that tiger stripes are, in my opinion anyway, better suited for a sports uniform than jaguar spots are. The latter is just too gaudy to work.
  17. Cleveland Browns re-do in the works for 2020?

    Ah gotcha. Carry on then. Wordmarks on pants are stupid, DanParker’s full of it, so-on-and-so-forth
  18. Cleveland Browns re-do in the works for 2020?

    Why did you bump an old thread only to post a link to said thread?
  19. Changes to Titans uniforms in 2018 are 'not minor'

    I'm inclined to agree, but I want to do all I can to ensure he's given a fair shot. He claims he'll share his insider information with a mod who offers to see it, and I'm offering him that. I'm not holding my breath, but we'll see.
  20. Diamondbacks bringing back bullpen cars

    Seattle to Arizona: get on our level.
  21. How about any number of times you’ve claimed that your opinion is *the* opinion of anyone under 35? You’re constantly peddling the notion that everyone who disagrees with you is an out of touch old fart (you referring to me as an old, authoritarian dictator only furthers my point XD ), only to ignore it when I, and plenty of other people, tell you that no. There are plenty of young people who prefer the traditional looks and aesthetics that you think only people in their sixties like. It’s a constant pattern of behaviour with you, denying the realities of the diverse user-base here so you can pretend to feel persecuted for liking unis most people don’t. Flat-out denying that people are critical of the Cards, Falcons, and Bengals’ uniforms is just the latest development. Look, if you’re good at your job? All the power to you. I wish you no ill will personally or professionally. All I care about is how you conduct yourself here, because that’s the volunteer position forum administration asked me to fill. And your cycle of aggressively pushing an unpopular opinion, claiming it’s the only valid opinion for our age group, and playing victim anytime your unpopular opinions get even a bit of pushback isn’t helpful.
  22. If you did notice what people talk about then you’d know the uniforms you don’t think get much flack get quite a bit of flack. shrug I don’t know what to tell you, other than that you came off as not knowing what you’re talking about. Like if someone wandered into the NHL thread going “I can’t believe no one’s saying the Canucks should drop the orca logo!” There’s not much to say to that other than have you not been paying attention? EDIT- Volt’s got a bad habit here. He likes to make definitive statements that aren’t remotely true, ignore people who point out that he’s wrong, and then continue making those statements. He’s done it often with “everyone under 35 loves the same stuff!” sort of comments, and now he’s done it by claiming that no one complains about some of the most hated unis in the league. Frankly his “I’ll state my baseless opinion that runs contrary to what’s clearly obvious” attitude is a bit grating, and I make no apologies for calling him out as harshly as I have. The reality of the boards don’t conform to his own biases, and he needs to realise that. I apologise if you got caught up in the crossfire, but you seemed to be adding to the same set of misconceptions that Volt was going on about.
  23. Minnesota Vikings Primary Logos

    shrug I don’t care about the colours being what they are. Team colours don’t have to be so literal. Hell, I don’t even mind the horned helmet look the Vikings go with. Sure, it’s not historically accurate, but it still resonates with most people. So the horns are fine. I’m just shaking my head at Gobbi trying to suggest that the horns on the Vikings’ logo aren’t accurate to how horns would look on a real viking helmet. Since you know...real viking helmets don’t have horns. So since real viking helmets don’t have horns? Their logo is fine. It’s not supposed to be entirely accurate. To me? It fits the right balance between illustration and logo.