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  1. Cleveland Browns re-do in the works for 2020?

    The Bears and/or Giants logos are a poor example. Those logos are iconic, they have historical backing, they have a proud tradition. The =B= has none of that... it has the exact opposite. I think the Browns can develop a true logo, whether its a dog, an elf, or mending the relationship with Paul Brown's family. I think there is even room to explore something with Paul Brown and Jim Brown. I don't have a logo I can post or a concept I created. But I've been a member of this board long enough to see plenty of logos go through here that destroy the =B= logo. In my personal opinion, the franchise is too concerned with our moronic fanbase and "doing right by them," instead of just picking and identity and sticking with it. They have made strides to that end, but just like everything else the Browns do, they find way to screw it up.
  2. Cleveland Browns re-do in the works for 2020?

    I'm not sure what to tell you, but you pretty much have this all wrong. I was saying the =B= logo was objectively terrible, somewhat tongue in cheek, somewhat sarcastic. The other member of the conversation argued that I didn't know the difference between subjective and objective. I never called anyone dense for disagreeing with my opinion on a logo. I called someone dense for thinking I didn't know the difference between objective and subjective, thus not picking up on the sarcasm in the comment. It WAS me who first used "dense" in a comment, the other member did not. Furthermore, I did not snap, in the slightest. I kept it reasonable civil, in my *subjective* opinion. Therefore, you 100% DID quote me out of context/ignorance. This should sufficiently end this portion of the conversation. Clearly, the OPINION of something is based in subjectivity... but there are also OBJECTIVE aspects of the logo that make it terrible.
  3. The Mad Scientist's NBA - Hornets added

    Flip the taper on the shorts so, in combination with the taper on the top, alludes to a honeycomb. It will make the primaries more consistent with the secondaries.
  4. Cleveland Browns re-do in the works for 2020?

    I would recommend reading the entirety of the conversation to understand what the "dense" comment was referring to before quoting someone out of context and out of ignorance, around here.
  5. Cleveland Browns re-do in the works for 2020?

    Wow. I would describe that as reaching. No disrespect. Honestly, I could buy all that for Green Bay... Its been around for so long, its their history, it IS their identity. But this clip art Browns logo is weak at best. Its most significant feature is the stripe... which is the same stripe used on plenty of teams across the NFL, college, etc. The =B= isn't strong. It isn't identifiable. If I had any sort of time to do anything these days, I would mock up similar logos for other teams, in different sports, and I think it would help illustrate how bad the logo would be comparatively.
  6. Cleveland Browns re-do in the works for 2020?

    So, you would describe that =B= logo as lively, bright, exciting, and clever? Or would you describe it as plain, dull, uninspired?
  7. Cleveland Browns re-do in the works for 2020?

    EDIT: Deleted. Can a mod delete this. Not getting into a petty argument with "C-Squared."
  8. Cleveland Browns re-do in the works for 2020?

    Are people this dense here? I know the difference between subjective and objective. However, there is nothing saying that both cases can't be true. The logo is NOT unique. It contains basic, generic shapes and letters. It has no historical context (unlike Green Bay's). It has no significant tie to the city or the team. It is boring. It is void of character. Those are all OBJECTIVE truths about the =B= logo.
  9. Cleveland Browns re-do in the works for 2020?

    Its generic. It is not unique. It contains basic, generic shapes and letters. It has no historical context. It has no significant tie to the city or team. Its boring. It has no character. It looks like a grade school logo. Its just flat out a bad logo. Again, this is like the new Phoenix Suns uniforms... for some reason, the Suns' new uniform and the =B= goes against everything people rally and cry about day in and day out, but they are widely loved. Its mind boggling. I'm pretty sure you can go on ClipArt '97 and find that exact =B= logo.
  10. Cleveland Browns re-do in the works for 2020?

    No. Its objectively terrible. Its one of the worst logos in the modern era.
  11. Cleveland Browns re-do in the works for 2020?

    Stop with the =B= logo. Enough already. Its objectively terrible.
  12. College Football Uniforms - 2017 Season

    Is this what the actual throwback looked like? Or is this an UnderArmor amalgamation?
  13. College Football Uniforms - 2017 Season

    I agree. Just because these are the best One-offs Notre Dame has done in a while, doesn't mean much when the bar was low to begin with. In my opinion, the shoulder caps are the most egregious part of these uniforms. The piping and words serve no purpose, as all. At least with the name on back, fans can order custom jerseys for previous players? I don't know. I can deal with the facemask and the logos, since the facemask in a minor design aspect and the logos ARE for a one-off.
  14. NBA Changes 2017-18

    Maybe I'm years late to this... but are the actual yellow colors that different?
  15. 14 BRANDS TEMPLATE PACK FREE PSD TEMPLATES by evrimyilmaz

    IMG didn't work. Is this the new basketball template?