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  1. BeerGuyJordan

    NHL 2018-19

    This. One thing people don't often think about is "how do the fans feel about it?" Coyotes fans (and I'm dating one and am a STH for their AHL team) love the kachina. I personally hate the Predators' gold helmets, but the majority of the fanbase likes them. Knights fans seem to like the Medieval Times feel. I prefer #2. Yes, #1 is cleaner and simpler, but that isn't the point of the full logo.
  2. BeerGuyJordan

    Choking / Cursed Franchises

    Possible, tone is hard to convey from a simple picture. I do know at least two people who have seriously said the Knights choked in the final, though. So it's not like it would be the craziest thing if it were serious.
  3. BeerGuyJordan

    Choking / Cursed Franchises

    I have to disagree, being labeled a choker (for me, at least) represents a trend or history. One occurrence is not a trend. Also, I don't even know that they choked. They may have lost 4-1 but they were competitive in all of those games, except one. MAF's play (which was largely carrying this team) went from nearly superhuman to merely good. The team looked like they ran out of steam, on top of encountering true adversity for the first time in the post-season. They ran into a team that was hungry, and knew that they might never get another shot, and an Ovi that wasn't about to let this get away from him. Comparatively, the Knights basically coasted into the Finals, with only three players of note with any experience of hard-fought deep playoff series. Experience and veteran superstar talent aren't everything (as the Knights proved), but the Caps reminded us that it does matter.
  4. My girlfriend is more into sports than I am. She was into U of Arizona basketball and AZ Cardinals football when we started getting to know each other. I enjoy other sports, but really only follow hockey. Our first date was a hockey game, she wound up a Coyotes fan (much to my chagrin), and we have Roadrunners season tickets. She's pretty intense. So yeah, I created a hockey monster.
  5. Mostly. It may hurt the argument, but Seattle will have a smaller, less deep talent pool in the draft; 25 or so GMs who have woken the up, to take this thing more seriously; also, its unlikely they get a MAF-caliber goalie. Almost no chance they're Las Vegas level good, but they should still be competitive. The Knights draft was kind of a perfect storm of greed, incompetence, timing, and carelessness. Edit: gifted is the wrong word. $500 million is a lot of money. Foley bought it. If Toronto had known that was the going rate, they probably could have crowd-funded a go mn Cup.
  6. Chicago really is AHL's version of the 51s. A tad apropos.
  7. If it is by luck, then by definition, they don't deserve to be there. Since the Knights came out of the gate swinging, and winning from the opener, this claim is baseless and flat out false. *couldn't care less Deserve? Really? Based on what, all those off-season signings and trades they made? (Oh wait there weren't any) Their trade deadline moves? (Only one, and not for a piece in this playoffs) The years of talent and prospect development? (Again, no. They were in the bottom 5 for call ups/send downs) They deserve a little credit for working within the draft, but every team had second liners exposed. Yes they played the games, but this is a team without a true bottom line of forwards or defensemen. Almost everything that Las Vegas did to succeed happened within the confines of the expansion draft. A draft they paid $500 million to get such good conditions in. As I see it, the owners essentially sold the Cup to Foley, and all for the low price of 16 and a half million per person.
  8. Expansion team doesn't mean what it used to. No one who the Knights have bounced should hang their head, the way those guys are playing. The only ones who should be ashamed are the other 30 owners.
  9. Come on Caps! On a side note, if Washington blows this lead, we may need to put the entire fanbase on suicide watch.
  10. BeerGuyJordan

    ECHL Newfoundland Growlers Unveil Name, Logo, Colours

    For 500 million, the ECHL will let them keep the ned thing.
  11. Why do the two reasons have to be mutually exclusive? I think that it's a combination of both. The majority of sports teams aren't going to have a hardcore following, over their first decade. Fanbases take time to build. Some cities would take to a team right away, sure, but there are more circumstances where it's a formula of winning and running a good franchise. Columbus is a great example of a great franchise that hasn't really had much on-ice success. They've still managed to grow a respectable fanbase, and that is to the credit of management. If they have a few years of deep playoff runs, I fully expect them to take off in a substantial way. Phoenix and Atlanta 2.0 are examples of what happens when you mismanage a team, and have little on-ice success to fall back on. I get your point, but Neal wasn't a salary dump. Poile tried to make a deal, to go the 7F/3D route, and have them not take whichever of Ekholm/Ellis they left unprotected. McPhee apparently wanted too much for that deal. The Preds opted to protect Jarnkrok, a younger player with improving numbers that they have locked in for five more seasons at $2 mil, before hitting RFA. Neal's numbers were on the decline, and he only had one more year at $5 mil before hitting UFA. I'm sure salary played a factor, but it was the logical long-term move for a franchise looking to be a contender for years, not a salary dump.
  12. Honestly, I wonder if this run, especially if they win the Cup, might do more harm than good. Making the playoffs, even the second or third round, could be seen as good for getting people's attention. I wonder if winning a Cup, in the first season, might not inadvertently set the fanbase, as a whole, up with exceedingly high expectations. I'm not saying that they should tank the Final. Aside from the obvious "Vegas can't appreciate a championship as much as Washington, or even Tampa" argument, I just wonder if it might not make the fall off worse if/when the Knights experience mediocrity.
  13. BeerGuyJordan

    NHL Anti-Thread: Bad Business Decision Aggregator

    Nah, they won't allow anyone to relocate until after Seattle's inaugural season, barring a complete meltdown. I do think Houston is the only way I see them moving the Coyotes, much like Quebec only gets a team if/when the Hurricanes finally hit the end of their rope.
  14. Better on ice/field? Likely. Better attendance or financially? Not likely. The NFL is basically just too big, in this country. 41 games vs 8 games that feel more like events is one factor. Hell, even in the bigger hockey towns (MSP, Detroit, Boston), the NFL has the upper hand while their football team is still playing. Las Vegas has done pretty much everything they can, to set themselves up for success. The Raiders bringing the NFL to town is going to affect the Knights' bottom line, it just comes down to how long it takes and how much, when it does.
  15. I don't think it was rigged. Whether or not it was fair is a matter of perspective. '98 - '00 teams paid $80 million. The NHL absolutely had to give better draft terms to justify $500 million. Were the terms too generous? Possibly, but a better product was seen as essential to sustaining what could have easily (and still could, honestly) become Coyotes 2.0. Columbus and Minnesota picked what was left after either a 9F/5D/1G or 7F/3D/2G protected list. On top of that, they were coming in at the tail end of a decade where expansion had just happened seven other times, diluting the talent exposed in a huge way. The argument that this team is just a bunch of third line talent is inane. Every team would have theoretically exposed at least one second liner. Teams taking the 7F/3D option exposed a second line D, and that's not counting exposing better current players to keep an eligible prospect. Seven teams opted for the 8 skater option, meaning they would be exposing at least 2 second line forwards. Any time Vegas took a third-liner, it was mostly due to choosing to. The draft rules themselves left them only having to select 9 third liners, total, and that's before talent vs. prospect and salary dumping factors. This team is a combo of second and third-line talent, with a franchise goalie who could have been the Vezina winner, if he hadn't missed so much of the season. The NHL owners got greedy and agreed to this, plain and simple. I'm almost certain I had this team pegged as a bubble team, maybe squeaking into a 3 or wild card slot, and being bounced in the first round. It's not like the Pacific is the deepest division, right now. I never saw them being this good. Some of the credit absolutely has to go to the GM, coach, and players for making the most out of their circumstances. Acting like the draft had little to nothing to do with it is idiocy. I'm not disgusted with the Knights, themselves. This success has been key to making the most of their two year head start over the NFL. I loathe what this run represents: the owners being greedy and offering expansion terms that I think were way too generous, especially in light of how much they comparatively hobbled the last four expansion franchises. I'm saying that as a fan of the first of those four to claw their way to the Final. I can only imagine how much more frustrating this must be for the other three fanbases, especially Columbus.