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  1. I'll bite. 1. Do you consider this uniform to be retro? YES If so, what elements of the logo and uniform make it retro? It is not so much the elements, but the fact that this is WHAT WAS WORN BY THAT TEAM FROM ABOUT 25 YEARS AGO TO ALMOST 50 YEARS AGO. This includes the color scheme (red jersey; no use of silver), helmet logo, and striping pattern. If not, why don't you consider it retro? 2. What comes to mind when you see this uniform? Super Bowl XX, my youth, how much better uniforms looked back then. And how does this uniform make you feel? Old, wise, sort of sad. 3. Does looking at this uniform make you connect to a time in the past? Absolutely. It makes me connect to the entire time BEFORE THEY CHANGED THE UNIFORM in the early 1990s. If so, how does it connect you to that time? In a positive way-- "this was how things looked back in the good old days (before they added unnecessary silver and a stupid flying Elvis logo)" 4. When you consider a jersey or logo to be retro, does it have to fall in a specific time frame? No, it can be anything older than 10 or so years. Or what common elements make something retro to you? In general, I think you have to either (1) have experienced the time period of the retro item, or (2) have some knowledge of logo/uniform history to consider an item as "retro". That being said, there are some indicators of elements that may be able to show the uninitiated that something is "retro": 1. Use of brighter colors and a wider color palette, particularly for baseball teams, indicate an earlier time frame around when color TV was becoming more prevalent in homes (late 60s/70s). 2. Old-fashioned, line drawing, "editorial cartoon" looking logos usually indicate an earlier retro look, such as from the 60s or before. Especially when a cartoon drawing mascot has a toothy grimace of determination. 3. Certain fonts used in logos or nameplates can indicate or "date" something to a specific past time frame, and thus as "retro". 4. Though not necessarily geared towards consumer items, cut and style of clothing/uniforms can indicate something as retro-- for example pullover baseball jerseys indicate the 70s and up to mid 80s, football sleeves being longer are "retro", basketball shorts being shorter are "retro", etc.
  2. Well, this LSU grad doesn't like it. Yellow-white yellow is our traditional and best look. Back inthe 90s we had to fight to get it back as our home outfit. Yellow-purple-yellow, on the other hand, is supposed to be our alt for home non-conference games that AREN'T the home opener. This white helmet/white pants ridiculousness and "throwback" gold jerseys and helmets that have been inserted every so often are not for me. Leave all the crazy variation stuff to Oregon, Tennessee, Oklahoma State et als. We should remain traditional, like our SEC west brethren Auburn and Alabama.
  3. Umm, not sure if you ever saw the1915 film The Birth of a Nation, but it had absolutely nothing to do with Nat Turner's 1831 slave revolt. The 1915 movie's storyline begins immediately prior to the Civil War and proceeds into the post-war Reconstruction era. And other than the film's background of the Civil War, Reconstruction, and the Klan, it was entirely a work of fiction. As Nate Parker himself has stated, "I've reclaimed this title and re-purposed it as a tool to challenge racism and white supremacy in America, to inspire a riotous disposition toward any and all injustice in this country (and abroad) and to promote the kind of honest confrontation that will galvanize our society toward healing and sustained systemic change."
  4. This. Just saw it on ESPN; apparently it was the "C" used back around 1902 when they were known as the Chicago Orphans. Googled "Chicago Orphans" and that "C" came up a few times.
  5. Younger daughter ready to turn 16; time to buy her a car. We find one online about 100 miles away in Mississippi. Go there, everything's good, negotiate, buy the car. She and my wife drive it home: I'm a few minutes behind. When I get home I admire her new car parked out front, note that it looks good. Wife mentions the tire pressure light came on during the drive home; could we go put air in it? Daughter and I go to put air in it, have to drive a few places as the gas station air pumps are out of order. When I finally get out of the car to put in air, i see the front driver side hubcap is gone. It was on when we got in at the house, and we never stopped or got out of the car until then. We immediately re-traced our route, and found several hubcaps along the sides of roads and such, but none of them were hers.
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  7. Just to throw something in here... I like, many of you, am glad the Saints are going with white for the Color Rush game (egad, "gold', as we've seen with Jacksonville last year, does not work; and the Saints already do all black -- too much and too often for my taste). I also agree with most of you that the look is very sharp. That being said, I think it's also neat in that it's also essentially a throwback outfit to ONE particular year-- their first in the Superdome, 1975. That was the year the Saints switched from full-time gold pants to white pants, regardless of the jersey color. The following year they went to black pants with the white jerseys, and white pants with he black jerseys, a look they kept until they went back to full-time gold pants with the era of the Louisiana state silhouette logo in 1986. http://www.neworleanssaints.com/team/history/uniform-history.html A local business magazine that did a story on the Saints 50th season had a two page banner intro page with a black and white pic from that season, with Archie Manning in the all-white uniform (never mind the black line, that's from the article's banner title block). Notice how much the Color Rush looks like this, with the sleeve stripes and pants stripes:
  8. Not really noticed, but more in line with "found out due to curiosity". The other night, the movie "Weird Science" was on, and I watched some of it (had never seen it before). In addition to Kelly LeBrock, there were two teenage girls in the cast; one was a blonde (character was named "Deb") and as I watched her, she looked vaguely familiar to me. Deb: (on the left, duh): Found out the actress' name in the credits (Suzanne Snyder), looked her up on IMDB, then realized where I remembered her from: Seinfeld. Not only was she on Seinfeld, she was on two different episodes playing two different characters. She played the neo-Nazi Eva in the episode, "The Limo", and also Audrey, the daughter of recurring character Poppy, in "The Pie":
  9. Of course, there is this ritual of mine for tailgating @ LSU home games: Grilling up the competition plus the Super Bowl cuisine thing mentioned in that post. Attending Saints, Pelicans, LSU home games; I almost always wear some type of team logoed shirt (polo shirt, sometimes t-shirt). Often can't do that for Pelicans game as they are often on a week night and I go there straight from work, in suit or dress shirt. Not much ritual for watching games at home, other than drinking (night games-- Sunday afternoons--no).
  10. One of my thoughts on conference expansion is that the BEST conferences are contiguous (at least on the basis of state presence) while the worst are disjointed and spread all over the place. Nothing scientific, it just seems and looks right. Some positive examples: Big 10: SEC: The Big XII (and both of its predecessors, the Big 8 and Southwest Conference) used to be that way, but now they are not: The AAC has to be the worst: Strangely enough, Conference USA -- which started off as a loose amalgam of teams all over the place -- has now become a contiguous one: : Damn Maryland for leaving the ACC and giving them that narrow gap between Virginia and Pennsylvania:
  11. Should also note he did not always get the color schemes right. San Diego Sockers wore blue and yellow, not red and white and blue, and Minnesota Kicks wore light blue and orange, not light blue and yellow. But he did change the Whitecap's shirt to blue, just as Vancouver had done at that time. And using the logo eagle as the chest plate on the Aztec is genius... I always loved that logo...
  12. I found the second one on the Internet over a decade ago; printed it at 11"x 17" and had it on my office wall for awhile. It's clearly the '79 season, and unlike the 1st one, it has every team covered: • the crack on the ground is the Earthquake; • the Minnesota Kick player has been added on the Rogue elephant ear; • Dallas Tornado added on upper right; • added mariner in foul weather gear on right as Seattle Sounder; • the champion Cosmo player is of course on top with the crown, having won the soccer bowl in 1978; • the Toronto new name of Blizzard is represented by the guy in snow gear on the left; • that crazy wild looking thing in the right foreground is the Philadelphia Fury; • took away the Stomper and the Caribou guy; replaced them with the Chief and Driller; • for some reason they added a pilot/aviator for the Houston Hurricane (?!?)
  13. Man all this talk about people not going to the bathroom on the plane-- don't any of you youngsters follow the tradition of drinking on the plane? (and by drinking, I mean DRINKING, as in booze) Maybe it's just me being from New Orleans, where anything and everything is an excuse to drink (Just got off work? Let's have a drink! ...Flying on a plane? Let's have a drink!) But then again, maybe it's not just a New Orleans thing, maybe it's an older generation thing. We flew to the Pac Northwest a month ago for vacation, and the wife forgot to get assigned seats for the family. All four of us wound up in separated seats for that 4 hour flight-- at least the teenage daughters were in same row. I wound up sitting next to a Seattle periodontist (who had been in New Orleans for a convention); he was about a decade older than me. Guy actually went to Rice University on a football scholarship, and then was a navy dentist for several years-- really cool guy. I think he had a few before getting on the plane. When the drink cart came around, he said "hey, I don't want to drink alone; have one with me; I'm buying." And he proceeded to buy us TWO drinks each on that first round, as "they were small". I later bought the second round. We had a blast the whole trip. At one point, we both had to go to the bathroom and left our seats at the same time. On the way back to the restroom, we passed my sleeping wife; us two tipsy idiots then woke her up so I could introduce my new friend. Wife was not amused. But that's what she gets for not selecting the seats in advance.
  14. The thread " how many teams can Las Vegas support" got me thinking about an old subject I have bounced around in my head over the years. That being, with league expansion, how big can a league get? Can and will a league get to 50 teams, and if so, when will it happen? What are the limits and problems with such expansion? One's first inclination in answering is a simple "NO WAY!", but let's look at it with a little bit of an open mind. Let's go back to 1959, the last year before the AFL began and expansion began happening on a larger scale. Back then, the leagues looked like this: NFL: 12 teams NHL: 6 teams NBA: 8 teams MLB: 16 teams Pretty small compared to today. Let's look at that change and comparison using each leagues last year of expansion: NFL: 1959 season - 12 teams; by 2002 season - 32 teams; an addition of 20 teams over 43 years. 2 2/3 times as many teams as there were in 1959. NHL: 1959-60 season - 6 teams; by 2000-01 season - 30 teams; an addition of 24 teams over 40 years. 5 times as many teams as their were in 1959. NBA: 1959-60 season - 8 teams; by 2004- 05 season - 30 teams; an addition of 22 teams over 44 years. 2 2/3 times as many teams as their were in 1959. MLB: 1959 season - 16 teams; by 1998 - 30 teams, an addition of 14 teams, not quite doubled in less than 40 years. Now, a lot of that expansion came early: For football, the creation of the AFL and its eventual merger resulted in the NFL essentially doubling in size by the end of the 1960s. For baseball, a major expansion push resulted in the sport going from 16 teams in 1959 to 26 by 1976. The NHL doubled in size in 1967, going from the original six to 12 teams. Later expansions and absorption of 4 teams from the WHA resulted in the league going to 21 teams by 1979. The NBA went from 8 to 22 teams by the 1976 season, via expansion and absorption of 4 teams from the ABA. The leagues have expanded more since, but the trend is towards a slower pace of expansion. Still, if you look back over the 56 years since 1959, and compare that to today, if the NFL added as many teams in the next 56 years as it did in the last 56, it would be at 52 teams by the year 2062. By the same measure, the NHL would be at 61 teams (including Las Vegas) and the NBA would be at 52 teams. Baseball, however, would only be at 44. Another factor to consider-- markets. Where would these new teams go? Across the four main leagues, with the addition of Las Vegas, there are already 48 distinct markets covered in the US and Canada: City or Metro Area 1 Atlanta 2 Baltimore 3 Boston / New England 4 Buffalo 5 Calgary 6 Charlotte / Carolina 7 Chicago 8 Cincinnati 9 Cleveland 10 Columbus 11 Dallas / Texas 12 Denver / Colorado 13 Detroit 14 Edmonton 15 Houston 16 Indianapolis / Indiana 17 Jacksonville 18 Kansas City 19 Las Vegas 20 Los Angeles/Anaheim 21 Memphis 22 Miami / Florida 23 Milwaukee / Green Bay 24 Minnesota 25 Montreal 26 Nashville / Tennessee 27 New Orleans 28 New York/ New Jersey 29 Oklahoma City 30 Orlando 31 Ottawa 32 Philadelphia 33 Phoenix / Arizona 34 Pittsburgh 35 Portland, Or. 36 Raleigh-Durham (Carolina) 37 Sacramento 38 Salt Lake City / Utah 39 San Antonio 40 San Diego 41 San Francisco/Oakland/San Jose 42 Seattle 43 St. Louis 44 Tampa Bay 45 Toronto 46 Vancouver 47 Washington, DC 48 Winnipeg Two markets have in fact dropped out of the "major league" ranks (Quebec City and Hartford, CT). There are also two CFL team markets not listed above (Hamilton, Saskatchewan), as well as other markets that have been discussed as possible big league markets-- most notably, Louisville, KY and the Hampton Roads area of Virginia. Of course, as was being discussed in the Las Vegas thread, each area can only support so many teams. What may eventually happen, as put forth by Goodell with London recently, and which was put forth by Stern for the NBA in the late 1980s/early 1990s, is the possibility of true international, intercontinental expansion. Somehow, I see that as problematic for several reasons, but that may be the way to get to 50. There are also a couple of other issues particular to football/ the NFL: Number/quality of players available to play in a 50 team league. To some degree, I think this is relative-- while anyone can watch a pee-wee or high school game and note how bad, undisciplined or unpolished the play is, does the average fan watch a college game and think it is less entertaining or polished than an NFL game? I think not, and there are 128 teams in the Division 1 Football Bowl Subdivision. Team scheduling. This is really only particular to the NFL, which plays half the number of games (16) as teams in the league. Right now, it is a pretty good system where you play everyone else in the league within a span of four years, but that would be a little more problematic with a 50 team league playing the same number of games... My own personal thoughts? I would think that you may see a 50 team NFL by say, the year 2075. The experience with WLAF/NFL Europe, IMHO has shown that intercontinental football may not be a thing that will work. Without supersonic travel or "space planes", the travel times and jet lag are too long, as is the time differences. We saw with Brexit that this "globalization" thing may be on the wane... Yet I think in our own continent there are ample opportunities for expansion. I know the Canadian game is different culturally, season-wise, and rule-wise, but if a buyout or merger of sorts between the NFL and the CFL came about, that would add nine teams and get the league to 41. There are several cities in Mexico that may support teams in the FAR future, and the remainder may be untapped US markets (Las Vegas, Sacramento, Portland, Hartford, St. Louis, etc.). As Linda Richman said, "I've given you a topic-- DISCUSS!!"
  15. Seconded. There is a pretty good precedent for this in how the city of Charlotte entered the big leagues. The Charlotte Hornets entered NBA in 1988; were an immediate hit; setting attendance records in the NBA's largest basketball-specific arena. Lots of excitement as Charlotte was finally in the "big leagues" with other southern cities such as Atlanta, New Orleans, and Miami, as well as the nation's premier big cities: New York, Los Angeles, Chicago. Several years later, in 1993, the NFL announced the expansion Carolina Panthers, who then began play in 1995. Now, there were some other things occurring shortly after that time with Hornets owner George Shinn's personal life and the way he ran the team, but it is telling that the last season that the Hornets led the league in attendance was the 1995-96 season, the one overlapping with the Carolina Panthers' 1st season. After that it was all downhill, with season attendance going from about 24,000 to 15,000 in just five years: 2000-01 15,010 1999-00 17,874 1998-99 19,232 1997-98 23,406 1996-97 24,042 It didn't help that the Carolina Panthers had on-field success almost out of the gate, going to the NFC Championship Game in their second year of existence. Again, it can be argued that some of the decline had to do with Shinn and his antics, but what is also telling that even after a couple of years, when the city re-entered the NBA without the baggage of Shinn-- with a shiny brand-new franchise-- that crazy-big attendance still wasn't there, and attendance averaged around 14,000-15,000 a year: CHARLOTTE BOBCATS Season GP Total Avg. 2004-05 41 591,701 14,431 2005-06 41 671,011 16,366 2006-07 41 637,520 15,549 2007-08 41 603,403 14,717 2008-09 41 597,548 14,574 2009-10 41 648,790 15,824 2010-11 41 649,694 15,846 2011-12 33 486,984 14,757 2012-13 41 628,293 15,324 2013-14 41 636,268 15,519