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  1. I've been wondering whether this run by Penn State would fuel any JoePa talk. And I don't think it really has. I scrolled through their Football Facebook stories and found only one comment about Paterno being happy about this...and nothing about "now let's get that statue up." The harsh punishment that most of us wanted did not come to fruition and now we've moved back to the point where Penn State is a national powerhouse...wow, that did not take long did it? So I think the lessons and improved practice going forward are minimal. For the most part we did not learn anything except for confirmation of the depressing notion that football trumps decency and that we can talk ourselves into just about anything when hero-worship is in play. What happened at Penn State (dozens of people willfully ignoring on-going disgusting acts) can happen elsewhere. But the aftermath was in some ways even more disturbing. Not just the sheer volume of the Penn State faithful continuing to lionize this man (which is frightening) but the "neutral masses" who basically said "let's not punish the players," as if that's the important victim group, and "well, they got rid of all the bad guys" as if that actually can clean up a poisonous culture. For this little corner of the world (college athletics) a huge opportunity was missed in hitting them with a good decade off of football. And not to be punitive, either. First, I am a believer that getting rid of the bad guys is no way to eradicate the culture that caused the issue in the first place. They got rid of everyone and then said "OK, let's get back to the Rose Bowl as soon as possible." Are the "innocents" that remain connected to the athletic department and the University really going to stop cutting corners and bending rules for that team? Maybe a Sandusky situation won't happen again, but some other messed-up stuff could (and by keeping the culture intact, it's some degree more likely), which brings me to... Second, this was the opportunity to set up a deterrent. "If a player in your program is accused of sexual assault, we're not going to punish you at all, provided you cooperate and there's no evidence that you've tried to cover it up." But any cover-up of such things could and should end in a year or two off. And if that threat was there, there'd probably be no cover-ups because coaches and administrators would be thinking about their own jobs. Sure, we don't think a Sandusky situation will happen, but your run of the mill college date rape? By someone with 11 sacks and 13.5 tackles for loss? Any chance the school / athletic department will cover that up so the program can be hidden from embarrassment and the team can win its rivalry game next week? Why not? The NCAA is absolutely impotent on all such things...just make sure your star RB did not get a free taco from his position coach. And Gus Johnson's statement about the win helping "heal" is interesting. It kinda shows where so many people are in relation to this...it's become something that's happened too Penn State. The NCAA picked on them (as proven by their pulling back of the punishments and essentially apologizing). They lost scholarships. They are expected to wrestle with the conflict of what to think of their great coach (they are failing miserably). They did not contend in the Big Ten East for a couple of years. And now, Penn State football is right back where they were when ignorance was true bliss. And all's right with the world. Well, unless you think it's Sandusky's victims that are the ones with healing to do; and you don't think going to the Rose Bowl is key in said healing. But really, how many people think that. Meanwhile, I have no idea what to do; so I talk football...how awesome the QB was picking apart the Wisconsin defense yesterday. I take the high road. Especially since it was my team that was on the wrong end of the greatest day in Happy Valley since before the scandal broke (i.e., I'd be accused of deflecting). Because virtually nobody wants to hear about this (which I get). And I'm not going to change the world. And the opportunities; they're all missed. Everyone failed. EDIT: This board and Deadspin are the only places where I run across people who "get it." I'm glad there are some people that do...
  2. Colorado did not win the conference, giving some discretion to the selection (unlike in the Big Ten, where the conference champ is not in the playoff, rendering Penn State an automatic). USC is red-hot...and a bigger draw. I am not saying which way is right, but I am not surprised.
  3. I see what you are saying. Ironically, though, they may be the most likely team to beat Alabama. Watson's the type of player that can turn a game around. My take is that since Alabama's the clear #1, then 2/3 don't matter except for uniform color.* And I feel that Washington is the #4 in this group given schedule strength. *so on this board it DOES matter. I like Clemson as the #2 over Ohio State. Clemson's orange uniforms are nice and OSU could pull out throwbacks (with the black TV numbers) in red, so I am content with them in white. Good call, Committee!
  4. Well it did not happen but it would have been 1-3 staying in and Penn State jumping them. It may have happenthad Washington squeaked by in their game.
  5. That is what is likely to happen. Basically last week they rewarded nobody for conference championships and chose not to project them...even for OSU's inability to win one. Now Bama, Washington, PSU, Clemson, and OUnget huge points they did not have last week while OSU remains stagnant. I think there is an outside chance Washington gets left out. I think they have the weakest body of work of the top 5. With only four teams I think it kinda takes away the luxury of just rewarding conference champs. I think there'd be a legitimate chance had they not handled Colorado so convincingly. I really feel that eight teams is the way to go. That way (top-5) conference races absolutely mean something and the top 3 (or two if top other conference champ gets bid) other teams get in. The best "out" teams would have far less of a complaint than whichever of the three teams gets left out today (and Oklahoma).
  6. I think there is an outside chance Washington gets left out. I think they have the weakest body of work of the top 5. With only four teams I think it kinda takes away the luxury of just rewarding conference champs. I think there'd be a legitimate chance had they not handled Colorado so convincingly. I really feel that eight teams is the way to go. That way (top-5) conference races absolutely mean something and the top 3 (or two if top other conference champ gets bid) other teams get in. The best "out" teams would have far less of a complaint than whichever of the three teams gets left out today (and Oklahoma).
  7. Ugh. Stick them in the Pinstripe Bowl after tonight
  8. Bama Clemson Penn State Washington
  9. Yup. One fluky play and a ton of other bad circumstances...including that there are no good teams in the Big Ten West. I wonder whether it will hasten 1) an eight team playoff and 2) another non-geographic alignment in the B1G. The top 4 programs are in the east.
  10. Committee is watching this. Sorry we could not help you OSU. Bama, Clemson, Penn State, Washington edit: unless Clemson blows it.
  11. Penn State starting to dominate. Looks like the committee is going to have to deliberate.
  12. Good ones. I think we tend to emphasize the connection with success less than "normal" fans do. Those Brewers and Islanders looks were used in times that were not memorable on the field / ice. The BiG was used when the Brewers were at their best and obviously with the Islanders... Similarly the white Dallas uniform is associated with greatness and most people don't worry about nitpicking details. Unpopular opinion (around here) is that I prefer the Cowboys uniform to any color-fixing concept I have seen...maybe it's just what I am used to.
  13. I kinda see where you are going here...but it that's to pin down what's popular here and not elsewhere. For me it is kinda about things I am surprised about (or was when I joined over 10 years ago). These include: The huge preference toward the Devils black over green The love of the Islanders fisherman logo The disliking of the Motion W When I first joined I was surprised that a lot of people seemed to like the Brewers look...but either we've collectively grown tired of it or the the sample size (board had fewer than 1000) was too small. Or I misperceived. The love of the blue and white Rams The comparative dislike of the leaf the Maple Leafs just dumped That we are not like 99.9% opposed to corporate sponsorship on uniforms. It's probably more like 75%
  14. Aren't we already there? If Penn State wins then the committee either will discount their non conference loss or their conference championship.
  15. That stat absolutely floors me. It also shows how long ago the Browns moved Baltimore was awarded the expansion Ravens and the Browns decided to take a three-year hiatus (i.e, how old I am since it seems recent). I think this about covers it. With #1, people also think, rightly or wrongly, in terms of "state lines" so even history-haters may be OK with keeping the history intact since they are moving within state (I've heard the same argument about the Raiders original move from Jazz/Hornets/Lakers/T-Wolves history swappers). And the Cleveland Deal included a guarantee that the Browns would be replaced. So there was no way the history was going to be dormant. At my most cynical I think you could add a #3: that "Cleveland's a blue collar town that loves its Browns and San Diego's a sunny place where people are "meh" about their Chargers." And as pointed out, the Cleveland Deal was never intended to be a "rule" or "precedent." It was (playing into my #3) a PR move meant to mitigate the anger that a place like Cleveland was losing an institution like the Browns. But most importantly, the only thing worse than the Cleveland Deal (besides the Hornets mess) would be to keep a team's history dormant indefinitely, possibly forever. No. You get just the right amount of worked up about this.