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  1. Los Angeles Chargers Brand Discussion

    You said that. And I'm telling you that it's abject nonsense. As is equating the relationship between SF and Santa Clara with that of LA and San Diego.
  2. Los Angeles Chargers Brand Discussion

    Well, that's highly doubtful, but to the extent such a thing was even discussed in the abstract it was because land was more plentiful in New Jersey. Because the location was itself less desirable. Steinbrenner did make noises about that move, but it was in the 1990s, long after the "Drop dead!" era. I think your recollection of this particular history is highly suspect. Even in that era, nobody seriously considered New Jersey culturally superior to New York City. The bridge-and-tunnel crowd never went in the opposite direction.
  3. Los Angeles Chargers Brand Discussion

    Hate to go off-topic, but no. No it wasn't. Not even in the "Drop dead!" era.
  4. Cleveland Browns re-do in the works for 2020?

    This wouldn't be a C by itself. I don't think the city's initial should ever be off-limits for one of the city's teams, especially if that initial is incorporated into a larger logo.
  5. Cleveland Browns re-do in the works for 2020?

    The "B" is reason enough. Change it to a "C" and it's perfect.
  6. MLB: Project 32 - Philadelphia Phillies, Pt. I Added

    I love this Mets update. Really fantastic work. I have only two things I don't think are upgrades: 1. The "NY" on the primary. I don't think it's needed, and provides little but clutter (love all your other fixes to the primary!). 2. Allowing the outline to break the letterforms on your secondary. I think the monogram should be considered one shape for the purposes of outlining, as the Mets currently do. It's complicated enough, with three points of contact. Still, minor critique. Great work!
  7. Cleveland Browns re-do in the works for 2020?

    That was a nickname for the fans, not the team. Elf all the way.
  8. Los Angeles Rams Brand Discussion

    If the Rams do end up consulting with fans on the new uniforms, this temporary step will be well worth it.
  9. North American Pro Soccer 2017

    It's more than that, though - I had friends who were season ticket holders of both clubs, and then minor league Timbers had more energy in Portland than the minor league Beavers. There's a reason Paulson made the choice he did, owning both clubs. In some cities, AAA baseball is strong enough to survive the coming of MLS. Salt Lake City springs to mind. But my impression from the time was that given a choice, Portland would have chosen even minor league soccer over minor league baseblll.
  10. North American Pro Soccer 2017

    Sorry, I meant that the city collectively chose soccer over baseball. Not the City. Paulson owned both clubs, and was trying to get stadiums built (or in the case of Civic Stadium, renovated) for both of them. The soccer stadium met approval, the baseball stadium did not. Paulson sold the Beavers when it was clear he wouldn't get a second park built. And everyone knew all throughout the process that it meant the Beavers would move. It was a pretty stark choice, and Portland chose soccer.
  11. Los Angeles Chargers Brand Discussion

    Cool, thanks. An unusual statement.
  12. North American Pro Soccer 2017

    Thats not true. Why do you think they can't lease a stadium? They can, so long as the MLS team controls both the scheduling and the revenue streams. Chester, PA owns the Union's stadium. The City of Toronto owns their stadium. That's just off the top of my head; without checking the others, I'm sure those aren't the only two. I don't think the Civic Stadium (or whatever they're calling it now) deal is as unusual as you appear to think it is. It's just that instead of building a new municipal stadium for the new MLS team, they renovated an old one. No other expansion bid has had access to an existing facility that wasn't already controlled by another team. Where Portland is unusual is that the city was willing to kick out the existing baseball team so they could hand stadium control over to the Timbers. But if any other stadium entity is willing to do that, I'm sure MLS is eager and willing to listen. Again, the problem with Nippert is not that FCC doesn't own it. It's that FCC would be a mere sub-tenant, at the mercy of another team's scheduling and unable to reap the benefits of the revenue streams a stadium provides. MLS long ago identified stadium control as the key to long-term financial stability, and won't let its new clubs be second-class renters in somebody else's building.
  13. North American Pro Soccer 2017

    Which makes sense if they intend on using Nippert as a temporary stadium for any period of time. Also sound legal thinking, protecting the school in case MLS was ever to change its expansion rules.
  14. North American Pro Soccer 2017

    Nonsense. But whatever. Boy, we're into some incredible goalpost-moving now. Sustainable? Don't know at all. Though I'd like to find out. The fact remains that MLS has requirements, and all would-be owners need to comply. FCC knows the rules and if they want in their know they need to do what everybody else is doing. It's neither unusual nor unfair to hold them to the same standard everyone else has had to meet. NYCFC is as much a red herring to this conversation as Portland.