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  1. North American Pro Soccer 2017

    It's more than that, though - I had friends who were season ticket holders of both clubs, and then minor league Timbers had more energy in Portland than the minor league Beavers. There's a reason Paulson made the choice he did, owning both clubs. In some cities, AAA baseball is strong enough to survive the coming of MLS. Salt Lake City springs to mind. But my impression from the time was that given a choice, Portland would have chosen even minor league soccer over minor league baseblll.
  2. North American Pro Soccer 2017

    Sorry, I meant that the city collectively chose soccer over baseball. Not the City. Paulson owned both clubs, and was trying to get stadiums built (or in the case of Civic Stadium, renovated) for both of them. The soccer stadium met approval, the baseball stadium did not. Paulson sold the Beavers when it was clear he wouldn't get a second park built. And everyone knew all throughout the process that it meant the Beavers would move. It was a pretty stark choice, and Portland chose soccer.
  3. Los Angeles Chargers Brand Discussion

    Cool, thanks. An unusual statement.
  4. North American Pro Soccer 2017

    Thats not true. Why do you think they can't lease a stadium? They can, so long as the MLS team controls both the scheduling and the revenue streams. Chester, PA owns the Union's stadium. The City of Toronto owns their stadium. That's just off the top of my head; without checking the others, I'm sure those aren't the only two. I don't think the Civic Stadium (or whatever they're calling it now) deal is as unusual as you appear to think it is. It's just that instead of building a new municipal stadium for the new MLS team, they renovated an old one. No other expansion bid has had access to an existing facility that wasn't already controlled by another team. Where Portland is unusual is that the city was willing to kick out the existing baseball team so they could hand stadium control over to the Timbers. But if any other stadium entity is willing to do that, I'm sure MLS is eager and willing to listen. Again, the problem with Nippert is not that FCC doesn't own it. It's that FCC would be a mere sub-tenant, at the mercy of another team's scheduling and unable to reap the benefits of the revenue streams a stadium provides. MLS long ago identified stadium control as the key to long-term financial stability, and won't let its new clubs be second-class renters in somebody else's building.
  5. North American Pro Soccer 2017

    Which makes sense if they intend on using Nippert as a temporary stadium for any period of time. Also sound legal thinking, protecting the school in case MLS was ever to change its expansion rules.
  6. North American Pro Soccer 2017

    Nonsense. But whatever. Boy, we're into some incredible goalpost-moving now. Sustainable? Don't know at all. Though I'd like to find out. The fact remains that MLS has requirements, and all would-be owners need to comply. FCC knows the rules and if they want in their know they need to do what everybody else is doing. It's neither unusual nor unfair to hold them to the same standard everyone else has had to meet. NYCFC is as much a red herring to this conversation as Portland.
  7. North American Pro Soccer 2017

    Why? The Yankees, as may be suspected, control Yankee Stadium. Once they were brought in to the NYCFC ownership group, that satified the stadium requirement. The Yankee Stadium situation is directly analogous to Seattle and Atlanta. I'm trying to figure out why you think this is at all the same FCC being a mere tenant, renting their stadium from a totally unrelated college.
  8. Los Angeles Chargers Brand Discussion

    From what I'm seeing, 21,000 was the announced attendance. Which is the "tickets sold number". Have you seen anything where the Chargers specifically list the 21K as turnstile clicks instead of using the regular old attendance metric?
  9. Los Angeles Rams Brand Discussion

    They could have changed the jerseys, but then the 5-year rule would have kicked in and they couldn't change when they go into the new stadium. The Rams have made a lot of noise from the beginning about unveiling new uniforms with the Inglewood stadium, and about consulting with the fans on them. So it makes sense that they'll wait. Maybe. We'll see.
  10. NFL 2017 changes?

    I admit that it's sometimes hard to define. But when you have a team that's worn essentially the same uniform since 1950, that's an easy call.
  11. Los Angeles Chargers Brand Discussion

    Do we know that 21,000 is the number that showed up? Or is that 21K the number of tickets they sold?
  12. MLB Changes 2017

    But that's an amateur team. I don't want the Jays to waste their beautiful uniform with a regular alternate, but there's nothing that should prevent them from a one-off throwback.
  13. North American Pro Soccer 2017

    No, they really aren't. Vancouver was eight years and six expansion teams ago. You can't complain that the league isn't the same as it was in 2009. And even then, Vancouver had a plan. It was just a plan that fell through. But "just give us a bid and we'll figure the stadium out later" has never been the league's rule.
  14. MLB Changes 2017

    Not actually the same club, but an amateur team that borrowed the name once the Maple Leafs left.
  15. North American Pro Soccer 2017

    No, it doesn't work that way. Get your ducks in a row. MLS tried the whole "trust us, we promise we'll figure it out later" thing with Vancouver, and that fell apart. So now it's finalize the details first. But its not true that MLS requires a SSS. They require bidders to control their own stadium, which often means SSS but isn't the same thing. And MLS requires that for a very good reason. I'm sympathetic to FC Cincinnati, and think they'll be a great addition to the league I love, but you don't get special treatment. You have to put up what everybody else puts up.