WideRight

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  1. The Alliance of American Football, the Ebersol-Polian led Spring league, is expected to release the team names & logos for their 8 franchises on Sept. 25th, but have begun teasing the logos on their facebook page. Not much to go on other than looking at the color combinations. 4 teams yesterday, likely 4 more today. So far 3 of 4 use grey/silver in some format. Hoping the remaining 4 diversify a bit. So far we have a double-blue, a red-navy, a black-silver and a maroon-silver. I would like to see use of green, yellow, orange, purple, gold, copper, brown or teal in some format for diversity. The cities (not identified with the logos, so most on the facebook comments are trying to guess) are Atlanta, Birmingham, Memphis, Orlando, Phoenix, San Antonio, San Diego and Salt Lake City.
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    Alliance of American Football - Team Names and Logos

    Good arguments can be made for the Wranglers, Panthers and Breakers, all of which are top 10 all time. NFL has Rams, Eagles, Vikings and Seahawks at the top ( guess I love wrap around). WLAF or XFL both stuck to logo on side models that were not as inventive, though some of the logos were good.
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    Introducing the Alliance of American Football

    I am a little disappointed in most of the 2ndary logos, being basic letter logos. Intrigued by the Hotshots. Their 2ndary logo is the best of the letter logos, but the use of an orange hat might be a hint at the helmet color, or not.
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    Alliance of American Football - Team Names and Logos

    So we have the logos, names and colors, so uniforms are the next logical thing to reveal (that we care about, rosters is likely next). Here are my thoughts. ATLANTA: Want-- Purple helmets & Jerseys, Metallic gold pants. Will likely get-- Purple helets & jerseys, matte gold/tan pants. BIRMINGHAM: Want--Black helmets, black jersey with 2 tone silver/grey yoke, metallic silver pants Will likely get--black helmets, black jersey, matte grey pants MEMPHIS: Want-- White helmet (with tapered stripe), red jersey, white pants Will likely get-- Red helmet, red jersey, white pants ORLANDO: Want-- Orange helmet, Navy jersey (with orange yoke or sleeves), white pants Will likely get-- Navy helmet, navy jersey, white pants ARIZONA: Want-- Green helmet, green jersey, yellow pants Will likely get-- Green helmet, green jersey, yellow pants SALT LAKE: Want-- Silver helmet, royal jersey (with sky yoke), silver pants Will likely get-- Royal helmet, royal jersey, matte grey pants SAN ANTONIO: Want-- maroon helmet, maroon jersey, silver pants Will likely get-- silver helmet, maroon jersey, matte grey pants SAN DIEGO: Want-- Charcoal helmet, yellow jersey with charcoal/silver yoke or shoulders, charcoal pants Will likely get-- Charcoal helmet, charcoal jersey, white pants
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    Alliance of American Football - Team Names and Logos

    I really don't think that the AAF is trying in any way to be a counter to the NFL, especially on the Kaepernick protest issues. Ebersol and Polian are so closely tied to the NFL that there have already been rumors that this is an NFL fronted league designed to counteract the rebirth of the XFL. If you look across the league, where do you have military themes? San Diego--Where Navy presence is synonymous with the city. San Antonio-which calls itself Military City USA, and in the case of the logo they are clearly referring back to Texas History, not current Army or Air Force presence. In both cases the use of military names/logos is a locally relevant approach, just as "Apollos" references Florida's role in the Space race and "Hotshots" refers to wildfire specialists including a particular group known by many Arizonans. If every team were the Patriots, Generals, Admirals or Eagles, I would be suspicious, but the logos and names run the gamut from Stallions, to Express, with only a couple of military teams, and those make sense based on the cities involved. Much ado about nothing, likely from a writer for a conservative newspaper that WANTS this to be about anti-Kaepernick sentiments.
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    Alliance of American Football - Team Names and Logos

    They all but say that in the video intro to the team. BTW, those video intros are the pinnacle of overkill. They all but start with "In a world...". Does anyone actually enjoy those? They are so forced and contrived. I find them intolerable. And, can I say, after having been through the XFL, the UFL, and now the AAF (along with countless other leagues that never made it), we really need to recognize that not only was the USFL amazing for the quality of what they did on the field, but they just crushed it with the team identities and design. Even the worst USFL teams are better than nearly everything that has come since.
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    Alliance of American Football - Team Names and Logos

    That is what new leagues, especially single entity leagues do, they hire 1 design firm to do all the league logos. In this case that was Joe Bosack. He does good work, and most of the logos themselves are solid, though I don't care for all of them. When you don't do this, you end up with some teams having very professional logo designs and others looking like ABA 2000 clipart/cartoon/halfarsed logos. I actually prefer when all logos in a league are done by the same firm. It creates a consistent look across the league. My biggest complaint with the AAF is not the logos, but the names. It is like they had obvious choices in front of them and they rejected them because the names were not totally original. Memphis Kings makes perfect sense, and who cares that there is an NHL club 2000 miles away called the Kings. Destroyers would have been great for San Diego, and the fact that the UFL had a team called that in Norfolk (3,000 miles away and lasted for only 1 year) should not eliminate that name from consideration. With minor tweaks, this league could be a solid A in branding, but now I give them a B at best. 1. Memphis Kings-- Using the logo & colors of the Atlanta Legends. 2. Atlanta Express-- Using the logo of the Memphis Express (or changing the E to an A as I did as a concept) 3. Birmingham Steel-- Add either orange or athletic gold as a highlight color. 4. Orlando Apollos-- No major changes needed, but a sun-based 2nd logo would be helpful. 5. San Antonio Commanders-- Just go with Sabres, it flows much better with San Antonio and no one will confuse it with Buffalo's NHL team. 6. San Diego Fleet-- Go with Destroyers, it is so obvious. 7. Salt Lake Stallions-- Just too Denver Broncos for me, and I would replace the navy with purple. 8. Arizona Hotshots-- Keep the colors, keep the logo, but change the name to Flames, Fire, or Inferno.
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    Alliance of American Football - Team Names and Logos

    The motto of the AAF needs to be “Swing and a miss”. They keep getting some new elements right and ruining it with others. Salt Lake Stallions is a great name but the logo is weak and the colors not very Utah. San Diego Fleet has a great logo and decent colors but the name is weak. Destroyers would have been much better. Arizona has has good colors and a decent logo but again the name is weak. Phoenix a Flames or Fire would work. San Antonio: Decent logo, not sure about double red, but Sabres, Garrison or Defenders would be a better name. Always some positive but with each team they miss the mark just enough to be disappointing.
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    Introducing the Alliance of American Football

    Yeah, no guarantee that the AAF will get CBS's best football announcer team. Likely it will be some of their College football crew, especially if they are familiar with the SEC and/or PAC 12, where most of the bigger name players will come from (Since AAF teams use regional college draft and most are in SEC and Pac 12 areas).
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    Alliance of American Football - Team Names and Logos

    I had the same question. I assume he is saying that because they did not go with XFL-style names (Maniax, Hitmen, Demons, Xtreme) that it is bowing to some amorphous PC police. I would say that Ebersol sees that aspect of the XFL as one of its main problems (turned off those who were not WWF fans by being crass) so he is avoiding anything that smacks of crass or low-brow entertainment. I cannot imagine that they specifically avoided animal names per se, just felt that these were more linked to aspects of local culture (certainly Iron and Apollos, less so with Express and Legends).
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    AAF Redux

    So, being somewhat underwhelmed by some of the decisions the AAF has made with its first 4 teams, i decided to make a few adjustments. Don't get me wrong. I really respect the work that Joe Bosack does. His portfolio is outstanding. But...in the case of the AAF I suspect that the league handcuffed him with some of their decisions regarding team names and logo focus. Since I don't actually have to live by those compromises, here is how I would tweak what the AAF has produced. So far only the Eastern teams. I am sure I will revisit this again when the Western teams are revealed next week. 1. Swap identities, colors and logos (to a degree) between Memphis and Atlanta. This eliminates the Atlanta team using Orlando FC's colors (their newest big rival, MLS) and gives Atlanta another team with red as their primary color (Braves, Falcons, Hawks). Express also makes more sense for Atlanta, especially with a jet in the logo, since they have the world's busiest airport. It also gets rid of the obvious Fed Ex tie in that Memphis would have. For Memphis, we take the crown logo and rename the team the Kings. This makes perfect sense as a tribute to Elvis, B.B. King and MLK. 2. I change the E logo for express into an A for Atlanta. If you are going to use a letter in your logo, it should be the city letter and not the nickname (Niners, Chiefs, Giants, Packers, Bears, Ravens, etc.) This can also make the logo more easily transferable to both sides of a helmet with only minor adjustments. 3. Memphis's main change is the font. I wanted to capture the neon light effect that you see in some of the Blues clubs in the city. It also keeps a nice 1950's vibe to the logo. 4. Changed the name of the Birmingham team from Iron to Forge. This was an early suggestion, and I loved it, so I made the change. It is still a tribute to the steel industry, but it brings in the fire/heat/coke of hot iron instead of just the metallic image. 5. To emphasize the new name, i added some fiery orange and created a "splash" of molten iron along one side. I believe adding just a hint of orange makes the color scheme more dynamic. The team will still wear mostly black, silver and grey, but this gives them a bit of "pop". 6. No changes to Orlando. I thought about trying to adjust the elbow/forearm of the archer, because it just doesn't feel right to me, but decided against it. So, here is the Wideright revision of the AAF's first 4 teams. Hope you enjoy.
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    AAF Redux

    I have added helmet designs. Pretty traditional, with one minor exception. Atlanta: Satin finish in red, with a white facemask, no striping. Birimingham: Metallic black with a consistent width striping, black facemask. Memphis: Satin purple with a single metallic (not chrome!!!) gold stripe, purple facemask. Orlando: A 2 tone fade (much more gradual than the Jag's had) from darker to lighter orange (getting lighter near the crown) and a navy facemask. No striping. I have to say, I really think just adding that little bit of orange to B'Ham makes a huge difference. This helmet in just black/grey/silver does not work for me.
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    AAF Redux

    The blobby splash is supposed to represent molten iron splashing around the ball logo.
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    Alliance of American Football - Team Names and Logos

    PHX--Green/Yellow/Orange: Could be snake, lizard or thunderbird or firebird logo. SD--Graphite/Yellow: Could be military, a trident, gladiatorial, probably not too nautical. SLC--Blue/Sky: Mountains/Big Sky type image, Bighorn sheep? Something blizzard or avalanche themed (lean into the fact that they play in Utah in February) SAN--The accidentally released logo was a shield with a cutlass/sabre sword dividing top & bottom, with an alamo inside the top half. Silver, maroon & bright red. Odd combo. My guess is San Antonio Sabres, but could be Cavalry, Regimen, Defenders, etc.
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    Alliance of American Football - Team Names and Logos

    This image is why I think the Apollos need to go with an orange helmet instead of a navy blue one. Especially good if they can either go with a metallic or satin finish that causes the orange to glow a bit more.
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    Alliance of American Football - Team Names and Logos

    I absolutely agree that the UFL overdid the gradients and attempts to create 3D logos, but the essential name/logos were pretty solid. California Redwoods-- I loved the "R" inside a park service arrowhead sign with a wooden feel to it as a logo. Had the team survived beyond year 1 (the year of shared colors for all teams) I think it could have really worked as a maroon & green team, using colors similar to the national park system. Hartford Colonials-- Yes, too much beveling/gradient, but again, the use of 2 blues with metallic gold (instead of Red, White & blue) and the design of the eagle/medal was strong. Omaha Nighthawks-- Pretty straightforward, the beveled O with a stealth bomber. A solid Black & Grey & Silver design. Florida Tuskers-- The name is not great, but the warthog logo and team colors were pretty solid (again, year 2-3 only). Virginia Destroyers-- Another solid design, with a unique color scheme and the use of Navy ship numbers as the font was brilliant. Sacramento Mountain Lions-- I would have gone with Cougars or Pumas, but the S-cat logo was really nice. The main problem is that it only worked on one side of the helmet, so they only put the logo on one side, and the number on the other (which is now a whole thing in the NCAA, thanks Nike (meh!)). NY Sentinels-- The colors were good (Black, Grey, oxidized copper green), and the shield was OK, but I was not a fan of the generic skyscraper as a ":sentinel". LV Locos-- The weakest of the bunch, no doubt.
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    Alliance of American Football - Team Names and Logos

    There is a rumor (not sure how much to trust it) that San Diego is the graphite & yellow logo and SLC is the double blue team. That would make Phoenix the green, yellow & orange. Not sure I trust that, especially since everyone guessed wrong about the 1st four. Nearly everyone had Memphis with the purple/gold crown and San Antonio as the black & grey. Guess we have to wait until Tuesday to find out (or until another leak occurs.)
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    Alliance of American Football - Team Names and Logos

    I have to say, I really like the slight change that adding the "A" to the Legends logo creates. Still think the name is lame, but the logo itself, especially with the A, is pretty decent. They don't seem to be using it as the primary (with the A) but they should. One quick Orlando note. It looks like the team will be heavily blue, and likely will have a blue helmet, but I think it would actually work best on an orange helmet. They could do white also. Any will work, but something about an Orange helmet makes me think of Florida more (Old Ball coach?) Also, if you go to the AAF shop, they have hats with what look to be secondary logos for each team. ATL is the least distinct (Crown w. A vs. Crown w. Legends text). Memphis has an M logo, Orlando an "O" without the Apollo figure, and B'Ham a B+I monogram.
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    Alliance of American Football - Team Names and Logos

    There are elements of Birmingham that I like. The use of the hex bolts and the 2 greys + white to create a "glare" is really nice. If the name were something stronger, and perhaps if it was navy or purple instead of black as the dominant color, I would like them better, but the name is just so "meh". Birmingham Ironmen or Vulcans could still work with this logo and would be pretty solid. I would still argue that they should have given that crown logo to Memphis and called them the Memphis Kings. That would have been a solid logo/name. The E, Express, logo to me is just not great, and the name inspires no enthusiasm, especially because of the obvious corporate reference. Right now, as a potential fan outside of these 8 markets, one likely going to pick a team to follow based on the logo/name, I am leaning towards the Apollos, but I am hoping that something in the Western division blows me away. Holding out hope for either SD, SLC or PHX (I cannot imagine rooting for a Texas-based team.)
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    Alliance of American Football - Team Names and Logos

    Have to say I am underwhelmed. Memphis and Atlanta names just seem lazy to me. I guess you could say that about B’ham too. The designs are ok, though none are great, but there were so many better name suggestions out there. Express for Memphis is the worst. With both Elvis and Egypt options they go with a blatant Fed Ex reference? ATL also is so generic. It would honestly be better to have Memphis use the crown logo and have Atlanta be the Express with a train reference. Got to say the UFL did better with the Loco’s, Redwoods, Tuskers, Colonials, Nighthawks, etc. Not to toot my own horn, but I honestly think the names and designs I came up with in the alternate history/concepts thread are more original, locally relevant and engaging, and I forced myself to use only non-count nouns for names.
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    Alliance of American Football - Team Names and Logos

    Any guessing based on colors seems pointless. Based on shapes I think we have... Red & Navy = either a star, a bird or some combo Blue & Sky= a fin or wave Black & Grey = something related to armor or steel Maroon & Grey = either a sword or a wing (insect) Purple & gold = a crown Green & Yellow = an animal head/shoulders, possibly a lion. Charcoal & Yellow = either a shield or a hive/bee theme. Navy & orange = a scorpion or the brim of a cowboy hat. A lot depends on scale. Is this 1/4 of the image or a tiny corner of a much larger image. I guess we will have to wait and see. Birmingham seems to be indicating that their name will be released tomorrow (or do they mean next Thursday, hard to tell) but will this be a drip, drip each day or will all 8 be revealed?
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    Introducing the Alliance of American Football

    I gotta say, if you are gambling on individual plays or trends within a football game played by NFL wannabes in a new league, well, my friend, you have a gambling problem. It is hard enough to consistently win gambling established leagues with established players, gambling on a team sport when you know almost nothing about the players on those teams, their motivations or their abilities just seems like throwing money away.
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    2018 CFL Uniforms

    Apparently the Alouettes knew early on that they would suck this year, so they decided to look as badly as they play.
  24. Hello all. I am working on an “Alternative History” of the USFL, beginning in 1984 and we will see where it takes us. It is all based on the premise that a single historical change can lead to an entirely different outcome. My premise is that John Bassett, owner of the Tampa Bay Bandits and chief opposition to the move to a Fall schedule does not become ill. How could that have changed the USFL’s destiny? I will be going year by year and as teams merge, move, are added or simply change uniforms, I will post any new logos or uniforms, because that is what this board is about, but I will also try to weave in other events, particularly related to the NFL, which might also have altered history. Should be an interesting challenge to the imagination. I may get some facts wrong here and there, and I may go in some directions you don’t think are likely, but it is just a fictional story, so feel free to comment if you think things would have gone differently. 1985: With John Bassett at full strength, there is a strong counterpoint to Donald Trump and the argument that the USFL move to the Fall. Trump loses the vote. The antitrust lawsuit vs. the NFL will go ahead, but the league decides to continue with a Spring schedule. As a result the following changes occurred within the league: Both ABC and ESPN provided the league with new TV Contracts and an influx of nearly $225 million dollars with the proviso that teams remain in both Chicago and Los Angeles. The league agreed to the TV network’s terms and worked to enhance ownership groups in both cities while managing the two franchises’ day to day operations. The league also agrees to develop a more stringent salary cap to help cut down on financial losses, but through a combination of the league’s regional draft, which privileges certain teams with a pipeline to 2-3 local universities, and an exemption policy which allows 2 players per team not to count against the cap, the pace of “big name” signings slows but does not completely end. Without the shift to Fall, ownership groups in Michigan, New Orleans, Philadelphia and Washington did not opt to relocate their franchises for 1985. Due to economic struggles, and ownership interest in larger markets, it was decided that the league would contract by 2 franchises. The Oklahoma Outlaws merged with the undercapitalized San Antonio Gunslingers, to become the San Antonio Outlaws and the Pittsburgh Maulers merged with the struggling Washington Federals, bringing significant football talent to a team which had struggled to win games In its first two seasons. The 1985 Season is played with stronger attendance and ratings than anticipated, perhaps due to the continuity of the ongoing Spring season. Some franchises still struggle for attendance, particularly in Chicago and L.A., who also have weak seasons on the field, but the league is propping up both franchises and TV ratings help to make the case to potential owners for both. SEASON STANDINGS EAST *New Jersey 11-7 *Philadelphia 10-7-1 Jacksonville 8-10 Washington 7-11 SOUTH *Birmingham 12-6 *Memphis 11-7 *Tampa Bay 10-8 New Orleans 6-12 CENTRAL *Michigan 11-6-1 *Houston 10-8 San Antonio 9-9 Chicago 6-12 WEST *Denver 10-8 Oakland 8-10 Arizona 8-10 Los Angeles 6-12 PLAYOFFS: Birmingham d. Houston Michigan d. Tampa Bay Philadelphia d. New Jersey Memphis d. Denver Philadelphia d. Birmingham Michigan d. Memphis CHAMPIONSHIP: Philadelphia 28 Michigan 24 MVP: Herschell Walker (NJ) Coach of the year: Rollie Dotsch (BIR) New Team Uniforms or Identities: San Antonio Outlaws