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  1. The Alliance of American Football, the Ebersol-Polian led Spring league, is expected to release the team names & logos for their 8 franchises on Sept. 25th, but have begun teasing the logos on their facebook page. Not much to go on other than looking at the color combinations. 4 teams yesterday, likely 4 more today. So far 3 of 4 use grey/silver in some format. Hoping the remaining 4 diversify a bit. So far we have a double-blue, a red-navy, a black-silver and a maroon-silver. I would like to see use of green, yellow, orange, purple, gold, copper, brown or teal in some format for diversity. The cities (not identified with the logos, so most on the facebook comments are trying to guess) are Atlanta, Birmingham, Memphis, Orlando, Phoenix, San Antonio, San Diego and Salt Lake City.
  2. Hello all. I am working on an “Alternative History” of the USFL, beginning in 1984 and we will see where it takes us. It is all based on the premise that a single historical change can lead to an entirely different outcome. My premise is that John Bassett, owner of the Tampa Bay Bandits and chief opposition to the move to a Fall schedule does not become ill. How could that have changed the USFL’s destiny? I will be going year by year and as teams merge, move, are added or simply change uniforms, I will post any new logos or uniforms, because that is what this board is about, but I will also try to weave in other events, particularly related to the NFL, which might also have altered history. Should be an interesting challenge to the imagination. I may get some facts wrong here and there, and I may go in some directions you don’t think are likely, but it is just a fictional story, so feel free to comment if you think things would have gone differently. 1985: With John Bassett at full strength, there is a strong counterpoint to Donald Trump and the argument that the USFL move to the Fall. Trump loses the vote. The antitrust lawsuit vs. the NFL will go ahead, but the league decides to continue with a Spring schedule. As a result the following changes occurred within the league: Both ABC and ESPN provided the league with new TV Contracts and an influx of nearly $225 million dollars with the proviso that teams remain in both Chicago and Los Angeles. The league agreed to the TV network’s terms and worked to enhance ownership groups in both cities while managing the two franchises’ day to day operations. The league also agrees to develop a more stringent salary cap to help cut down on financial losses, but through a combination of the league’s regional draft, which privileges certain teams with a pipeline to 2-3 local universities, and an exemption policy which allows 2 players per team not to count against the cap, the pace of “big name” signings slows but does not completely end. Without the shift to Fall, ownership groups in Michigan, New Orleans, Philadelphia and Washington did not opt to relocate their franchises for 1985. Due to economic struggles, and ownership interest in larger markets, it was decided that the league would contract by 2 franchises. The Oklahoma Outlaws merged with the undercapitalized San Antonio Gunslingers, to become the San Antonio Outlaws and the Pittsburgh Maulers merged with the struggling Washington Federals, bringing significant football talent to a team which had struggled to win games In its first two seasons. The 1985 Season is played with stronger attendance and ratings than anticipated, perhaps due to the continuity of the ongoing Spring season. Some franchises still struggle for attendance, particularly in Chicago and L.A., who also have weak seasons on the field, but the league is propping up both franchises and TV ratings help to make the case to potential owners for both. SEASON STANDINGS EAST *New Jersey 11-7 *Philadelphia 10-7-1 Jacksonville 8-10 Washington 7-11 SOUTH *Birmingham 12-6 *Memphis 11-7 *Tampa Bay 10-8 New Orleans 6-12 CENTRAL *Michigan 11-6-1 *Houston 10-8 San Antonio 9-9 Chicago 6-12 WEST *Denver 10-8 Oakland 8-10 Arizona 8-10 Los Angeles 6-12 PLAYOFFS: Birmingham d. Houston Michigan d. Tampa Bay Philadelphia d. New Jersey Memphis d. Denver Philadelphia d. Birmingham Michigan d. Memphis CHAMPIONSHIP: Philadelphia 28 Michigan 24 MVP: Herschell Walker (NJ) Coach of the year: Rollie Dotsch (BIR) New Team Uniforms or Identities: San Antonio Outlaws
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    AAF Field Database - Birmingham Iron Week 1 (2/15/19)

    I did that a while back, but most were really only tweaks.
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    MLS Kits 2019

    Makes it look like a team in Nashville, South Carolina. SC NASHVILLE on one line would be better than NASHVILLE SC, and much better than having it on 2 lines. It's a pretty crap crest all around. I wonder if it means that the club will have yellow jerseys with blue stripes?
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    USL's New Mexico United debut inaugural kits

    Ugh! That is a classic case of a horrific advert ruining a kit. Other than the horrific Meow Wolf crap, the uniform is just a bit boring, but with it, the whole thing is a disaster.
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    Wideright updates the NFL

    Thought I would take my shot at "fixing" the Jags, Titans and then maybe a few other NFL teams that just don't feel right to me. First up, the Jags. They want simple, so I give them a simple uniform but not so simple as to look like a Div-2 college. Teal is the primary, black the secondary, and if they feel they must, they can go unitard with all black or all white on a hot August day. I envision the primaries as White jersey-black pants and teal jersey-white pants. Note the angled stripes are on the sleeve cuff, pants and socks.
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    Wideright updates the NFL

    After a long hiatus, and with some inspiration from the recent AAF designs (and my concepts), I return to the NFL with the New York Jets. I grew up a fan of the Kelly uniforms of the 80's-90's, before the retro Namath-era look came back. So I started with that, added significant influence from the Memphis Express (AAF-- see the jet) and the San Diego Fleet (AAF-- see the jersey pattern) and you get a new version of the kelly helmeted JETS logo. Wanted to add some black, but it just never seemed to make the look better, so it is pure white & kelly. New main logo, wordmark and NY logo. I kept the JETS on the helmet because as long as the Giants go with a NY monogram, the Jets should avoid doing the same.
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    Another spring attempt: Freedom Football League

    I am with you on this. It is a huge problem that there are 3 different groups trying to start up. If they could pool their resources and align on one model, one league, it could actually have a chance, but I worry that egos and the core concepts are just too different. I would love a longlasting spring AAA league to be reality because I just cannot get into NBA or MLB and even NHL only marginally holds my attention. I was a huge USFL fan back in the day, and while I don't think a true NFL rival league can exist, a AAA feeder league playing in smaller stadiums could really work for me.
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    AAF Helmet/Uni Tweaks

    I generally like what the AAF has done with their initial 8 franchises, but I would make some tweaks to each design. Starting with helmets, here is what I have done: 1. No helmets have a logo on one side and a numbe on the other. What you see on the side image is on both sides. 2. ATLANTA: Added white to log, added the player # and ATL to the stripe (I will remove it from the jersey) and opted for a purple facemask. 3. B'HAM: Added the logo to each side and changed the main stripe to be a 2-grey stripe with hexbolts inserted for a "mechanical" effect. 4. MEMPHIS: Swapped the blue facemask for white. 4. ORLANDO: Only change is a reduction in size of the number on the back.
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    AAF Helmet/Uni Tweaks

    With the San Diego Fleet I wanted to downplay the yellow a bit, and I really did not like the lighter grey pants with the dark grey, and since there is only one other team using white pants, I thought this could work without being too similar. I kept the chevron motif, but added grey chevrons along with the yellow, and now with white pants there was room to create a stripe to hold the chevrons.
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    AAF Helmet/Uni Tweaks

    Ok, the last two are up. First, the San Antonio Commanders. I opted to expand the yoke by recreating the Alamo motif. This also means that the Commanders are the only team without a wordmark above the numbers. Other than that,the uniforms are only slightly different from the actuals, with the full logo on the pant stripe.
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    AAF Helmet/Uni Tweaks

    And Salt Lake, with more royal added, no side panel, and a new pant stripe. I also modified the numbers to match the wordmark style.
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    AAF Helmet/Uni Tweaks

    Arizona is next up. Again minor changes. The yellow socks were really the only thing that bugged me about the original. I also removed the sleeve color and kept the sleeves yellow just because so many other teams had sleeves of a different color.
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    XFL Return, new logo

    While McMahon, as a conservative, may actually be peeved at the NFL for how it handles the national anthem issue, there is clearly a profit motive here. McMahon believes (maybe right, maybe wrong) that many NFL fans are also conservatives, Trump supporters, etc. and that they will be attracted to a league that takes a stand, that plays on nostalgia for a "traditional" brand of football and that plays up the jingoistic "Patriotic" card. I am sure that to a point he has that right, but then his choices of cities make even less sense. They make no sense from a media standpoint. Placing teams in cities that already are packed with major league franchises (all 4 sports) is already a questionable move, but if his target audience is more conservative, 'Murica types, he would be far better off looking at Birmingham, Orlando, Texas or other Red-State locations. Putting teams in LA, NY, Seattle, DC makes no sense if you want to attract that demographic and then you add on top that no TV station in any of those markets has time to cover XFL games because of all the other teams they need to cover, and I don't see this as a recipe for a successful league.
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    The XFL may be making a comeback

    My mistake. I did not catch the announcement. That is a pretty major change from what they had said earlier. Good luck getting DC and NY fans to sit in outdoor stadiums to watch no-name players in February. At least the AAF accounted for weather.
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    XFL Team Nicknames

    This is the XFL version 2.0 we are talking about, so if they want to really represent the teams, they should go with: LA Empty Seats St. Louis Spite Tampa Bay Noshows New York Meh Seattle Rain Delays Houston HoHum Dallas Free Tickets Washington Windchill-kept-us-homers
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    AAF Helmet/Uni Tweaks

    Memphis and Orlando: Both uniforms are solid so the changes here are minimal. Memphis: Adjusted the side panels to denote growing speed and changed the number font. Orlando: Removed the jersey side stripe and altered the yoke. New pant stripe and added logo to pants.
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    The XFL may be making a comeback

    Just a point of correction. The AAF plans to start one week after the Super Bowl and finish in April. The XFL will play a May to July schedule. That is one reason the AAF is only in warm weather or mild winter cities while the XFL has NY and DC. AAF likes to cite stats that say that a solid 25% or more of NFL fans do not watch other sports in Spring or summer. Thhey also cite that a huge percentage of fantasy football players do not play another fantasy sport. They want to focus on those “football or nothing” fans. I am am pretty much one of those. I will watch CFL and watched FL Europe and the USFL when they were around. I just cannot get into NBA, NHL or MLB. My only other sport is MLS or EPL soccer.
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    AAF Helmet/Uni Tweaks

    And Birmingham. Some major changes here: Added helmet stripe based on logo, 2 tone grey side by side with the hex-bolt motif which we will see throughout. Shoulder yoke with the same side-by-side greys (similar to current Titans) again with hexbolts. Light grey numbers with dark grey beveling. No side panels on jersey. Yoke takes its place. Dark grey pants with logo and black stripe (slightly skewing from back to front) and 2 hexbolts Still think they should have added either some orange or yellow to create greater color contrast, but with the color scheme they have, I just think black on black on black on black is a bit too much.
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    AAF Helmet/Uni Tweaks

    First up for the uniform redux is Atlanta (alphabetical in the East first). Changes include: Removing the ATL from the side panels and adding a thin white piping to match the pant leg. Going with a Vikings-esque off-center thin white stripe within the thick purple. This is a motif carried over from the logo with the thin white stripe at the bottom of the crown. Changed the number font to something akin to the Titan's longstanding font (not present font). White TV numbers just to offset the gold sleeves.
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    AAF Helmet/Uni Tweaks

    And in the West: 1. ARIZONA: Retilted the logo and have it on both sides. Added a number effect on the back to match the front. 2. SALT LAKE: Went with the full horse head logo instead of just the mane. 3. SAN ANTONIO: Focus is on the Alamo shade. Removed the logo and used numbers on both sides. Removed the SA secondary logo. 4. SAN DIEGO: No significant changes. Uniforms are next (as I find time to work on them. They will take more time.
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    Wideright imagines the AAF

    Ready to start a new concept thread for the intriguing Alliance of American Football. 8 teams playing spring football. The first team to be identified has been Orlando, headed by the "Old Ball Coach", Steve Spurrier. We will try to predict all 8 franchises ahead of the AAF announcement of teams and team names (which they have said are coming). I will also periodically request feedback on key decisions, such as future cities, identity focus or color scheme, but with Orlando I am starting on my own and I am setting some limitations which will apply to all teams. 1. All teams must use 3 colors + white in their color scheme and uniforms. 2. All teams must use non-count or singular nouns for their mascot. I know this is controversial, and I actually am a fan of count nouns (Tigers, Bears, Saints, etc.) over non-count nouns (Fury, Thunder, Revolution), but I wanted to challenge myself and put a weird requirement on the AAF. 3. All teams will have only 1 uniform. In a league with only 8 teams it should be possible to avoid duplication of the helmet and jersey color, which should provide enough contrast to make it unnecessary to have a clash or home/road uniforms. This means that teams must each have unique color combinations to avoid repetition. And so, without further ado, the first AAF franchise, taking advantage of the rich tradition of local college football by utilizing the color palette (slightly altered) of the U. of Florida: Royal, Kelly and Orange, and tying their identity to the local economy in a tongue in cheek way with just a hint of double entendre... ...and with due credit to BradyLvie (name) and ThePeam (name and the Juice squirt concept in the logo.) OK... now, we start the AAF off with... Your Orlando JUICE!!! Yes, the AAF will require the league logo and "Alliance" at each collar and the logo on the pants. No jersey advert yet (Is it Nike? Adidas? Heck it could be Kelme or Umbro for all I care, I am not a fan of the branding by the producer, so I am leaving it off. I thought about corporate sponsors on the back or sleeve, but decided a more traditionally clean jersey was best. Next up, we decide if the rumors are true. Is Rick Neuheisel leading a team in Southern California, and if so, where will they play?
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    The XFL may be making a comeback

    I really think it is a bad idea to go to cities that have all 3 spring leagues (4 with MLS) to compete with. How will the XFL team in NYC ever get any media play? Or LA? Or Dallas? etc. In my mind it makes more sense to go to cities that lack at least 1, maybe 2 of the spring sports. But, they have picked the cities. So now we wait for names/identities.
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    This Sunday: Bills and Dolphins Battle in 1960s Uniforms

    That is a nice, clean look for both teams. The only thing better would be the look from the late 80's-early 90's.
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    Alliance of American Football - Team Names and Logos

    I agree with pretty much everything you say here. My takeaways... Birmingham-- If they want to go logo-less on the helmet, that is fine, but make the stipe distinctive by giving it a beveled "metallic" look and maybe even putting the hexbolts from the logo along the stripe to add something visual. Then have the main logo at the top of the pant stripe, or on the sleeve just to give it something to look at. Salt Lake-- After seeing the shots of the uniform on a mannequin at the unveiling I think it works out better than it seems to in the marketing photo. The dark blue seems darker, which helps the contrast with the light blue. I like the side stripe, but I am still not sold on the light blue pants. I think using the darker blue for the pants (and light blue socks) would make this stronger. Atlanta-- I agree that the ATL would make much more sense on the pants, but I do like the current pant stripe (a triangle with the crown atop it.) I still think their secondary logo (crown with the A in it) is stronger than just the crown alone, and the helmet would be better if the crown were either on both sides (with the bottom stripe in white instead of gold) or across the front of the helmet like a crown. Purple facemask instead of the gold would also help. The facemask is too much. Orlando-- When you see the actual uniforms (not the marketing image) there is a shot of the side stripes, They are split, with a white divider between 2 thinner stripes. Still looks strong. San Diego-- My only complaint is the use of the number/logo. Had it been logo/logo on the helmets, it would be very strong. There is a video on AAF Fan Access (Facebook) that shows an actual helmet and the yellow is much more metallic than on the photos released. Arizona-- Along with Orlando, one of the best. Would have gone with Green or Orange socks, but otherwise really great. Memphis-- No complaints. Love the jersey and pant stripe. The helmet is top rate. San Antonio-- I agree. Get rid of the logo and maybe go with number/number on the sides or nothing at all. The rest works well together. Hoping that if they survive (I think we will see 3-4 seasons from them, but only if their backing is as strong as they claim it is, capitalization is key) we get some expansion, and with expansion we get to see clash uniforms. I would love to see Orlando with an orange jersey, and most teams with a white alternate (or maybe a silver one for SA or BIR).