WideRight

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  1. The Alliance of American Football, the Ebersol-Polian led Spring league, is expected to release the team names & logos for their 8 franchises on Sept. 25th, but have begun teasing the logos on their facebook page. Not much to go on other than looking at the color combinations. 4 teams yesterday, likely 4 more today. So far 3 of 4 use grey/silver in some format. Hoping the remaining 4 diversify a bit. So far we have a double-blue, a red-navy, a black-silver and a maroon-silver. I would like to see use of green, yellow, orange, purple, gold, copper, brown or teal in some format for diversity. The cities (not identified with the logos, so most on the facebook comments are trying to guess) are Atlanta, Birmingham, Memphis, Orlando, Phoenix, San Antonio, San Diego and Salt Lake City.
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    AAF Helmet/Uni Tweaks

    I generally like what the AAF has done with their initial 8 franchises, but I would make some tweaks to each design. Starting with helmets, here is what I have done: 1. No helmets have a logo on one side and a numbe on the other. What you see on the side image is on both sides. 2. ATLANTA: Added white to log, added the player # and ATL to the stripe (I will remove it from the jersey) and opted for a purple facemask. 3. B'HAM: Added the logo to each side and changed the main stripe to be a 2-grey stripe with hexbolts inserted for a "mechanical" effect. 4. MEMPHIS: Swapped the blue facemask for white. 4. ORLANDO: Only change is a reduction in size of the number on the back.
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    AAF Helmet/Uni Tweaks

    With the San Diego Fleet I wanted to downplay the yellow a bit, and I really did not like the lighter grey pants with the dark grey, and since there is only one other team using white pants, I thought this could work without being too similar. I kept the chevron motif, but added grey chevrons along with the yellow, and now with white pants there was room to create a stripe to hold the chevrons.
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    AAF Helmet/Uni Tweaks

    Ok, the last two are up. First, the San Antonio Commanders. I opted to expand the yoke by recreating the Alamo motif. This also means that the Commanders are the only team without a wordmark above the numbers. Other than that,the uniforms are only slightly different from the actuals, with the full logo on the pant stripe.
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    AAF Helmet/Uni Tweaks

    And Salt Lake, with more royal added, no side panel, and a new pant stripe. I also modified the numbers to match the wordmark style.
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    AAF Helmet/Uni Tweaks

    Arizona is next up. Again minor changes. The yellow socks were really the only thing that bugged me about the original. I also removed the sleeve color and kept the sleeves yellow just because so many other teams had sleeves of a different color.
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    XFL Return, new logo

    While McMahon, as a conservative, may actually be peeved at the NFL for how it handles the national anthem issue, there is clearly a profit motive here. McMahon believes (maybe right, maybe wrong) that many NFL fans are also conservatives, Trump supporters, etc. and that they will be attracted to a league that takes a stand, that plays on nostalgia for a "traditional" brand of football and that plays up the jingoistic "Patriotic" card. I am sure that to a point he has that right, but then his choices of cities make even less sense. They make no sense from a media standpoint. Placing teams in cities that already are packed with major league franchises (all 4 sports) is already a questionable move, but if his target audience is more conservative, 'Murica types, he would be far better off looking at Birmingham, Orlando, Texas or other Red-State locations. Putting teams in LA, NY, Seattle, DC makes no sense if you want to attract that demographic and then you add on top that no TV station in any of those markets has time to cover XFL games because of all the other teams they need to cover, and I don't see this as a recipe for a successful league.
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    The XFL may be making a comeback

    My mistake. I did not catch the announcement. That is a pretty major change from what they had said earlier. Good luck getting DC and NY fans to sit in outdoor stadiums to watch no-name players in February. At least the AAF accounted for weather.
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    XFL Team Nicknames

    This is the XFL version 2.0 we are talking about, so if they want to really represent the teams, they should go with: LA Empty Seats St. Louis Spite Tampa Bay Noshows New York Meh Seattle Rain Delays Houston HoHum Dallas Free Tickets Washington Windchill-kept-us-homers
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    AAF Helmet/Uni Tweaks

    Memphis and Orlando: Both uniforms are solid so the changes here are minimal. Memphis: Adjusted the side panels to denote growing speed and changed the number font. Orlando: Removed the jersey side stripe and altered the yoke. New pant stripe and added logo to pants.
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    The XFL may be making a comeback

    Just a point of correction. The AAF plans to start one week after the Super Bowl and finish in April. The XFL will play a May to July schedule. That is one reason the AAF is only in warm weather or mild winter cities while the XFL has NY and DC. AAF likes to cite stats that say that a solid 25% or more of NFL fans do not watch other sports in Spring or summer. Thhey also cite that a huge percentage of fantasy football players do not play another fantasy sport. They want to focus on those “football or nothing” fans. I am am pretty much one of those. I will watch CFL and watched FL Europe and the USFL when they were around. I just cannot get into NBA, NHL or MLB. My only other sport is MLS or EPL soccer.
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    AAF Helmet/Uni Tweaks

    And Birmingham. Some major changes here: Added helmet stripe based on logo, 2 tone grey side by side with the hex-bolt motif which we will see throughout. Shoulder yoke with the same side-by-side greys (similar to current Titans) again with hexbolts. Light grey numbers with dark grey beveling. No side panels on jersey. Yoke takes its place. Dark grey pants with logo and black stripe (slightly skewing from back to front) and 2 hexbolts Still think they should have added either some orange or yellow to create greater color contrast, but with the color scheme they have, I just think black on black on black on black is a bit too much.
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    AAF Helmet/Uni Tweaks

    First up for the uniform redux is Atlanta (alphabetical in the East first). Changes include: Removing the ATL from the side panels and adding a thin white piping to match the pant leg. Going with a Vikings-esque off-center thin white stripe within the thick purple. This is a motif carried over from the logo with the thin white stripe at the bottom of the crown. Changed the number font to something akin to the Titan's longstanding font (not present font). White TV numbers just to offset the gold sleeves.
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    AAF Helmet/Uni Tweaks

    And in the West: 1. ARIZONA: Retilted the logo and have it on both sides. Added a number effect on the back to match the front. 2. SALT LAKE: Went with the full horse head logo instead of just the mane. 3. SAN ANTONIO: Focus is on the Alamo shade. Removed the logo and used numbers on both sides. Removed the SA secondary logo. 4. SAN DIEGO: No significant changes. Uniforms are next (as I find time to work on them. They will take more time.
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    Wideright imagines the AAF

    Ready to start a new concept thread for the intriguing Alliance of American Football. 8 teams playing spring football. The first team to be identified has been Orlando, headed by the "Old Ball Coach", Steve Spurrier. We will try to predict all 8 franchises ahead of the AAF announcement of teams and team names (which they have said are coming). I will also periodically request feedback on key decisions, such as future cities, identity focus or color scheme, but with Orlando I am starting on my own and I am setting some limitations which will apply to all teams. 1. All teams must use 3 colors + white in their color scheme and uniforms. 2. All teams must use non-count or singular nouns for their mascot. I know this is controversial, and I actually am a fan of count nouns (Tigers, Bears, Saints, etc.) over non-count nouns (Fury, Thunder, Revolution), but I wanted to challenge myself and put a weird requirement on the AAF. 3. All teams will have only 1 uniform. In a league with only 8 teams it should be possible to avoid duplication of the helmet and jersey color, which should provide enough contrast to make it unnecessary to have a clash or home/road uniforms. This means that teams must each have unique color combinations to avoid repetition. And so, without further ado, the first AAF franchise, taking advantage of the rich tradition of local college football by utilizing the color palette (slightly altered) of the U. of Florida: Royal, Kelly and Orange, and tying their identity to the local economy in a tongue in cheek way with just a hint of double entendre... ...and with due credit to BradyLvie (name) and ThePeam (name and the Juice squirt concept in the logo.) OK... now, we start the AAF off with... Your Orlando JUICE!!! Yes, the AAF will require the league logo and "Alliance" at each collar and the logo on the pants. No jersey advert yet (Is it Nike? Adidas? Heck it could be Kelme or Umbro for all I care, I am not a fan of the branding by the producer, so I am leaving it off. I thought about corporate sponsors on the back or sleeve, but decided a more traditionally clean jersey was best. Next up, we decide if the rumors are true. Is Rick Neuheisel leading a team in Southern California, and if so, where will they play?
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    The XFL may be making a comeback

    I really think it is a bad idea to go to cities that have all 3 spring leagues (4 with MLS) to compete with. How will the XFL team in NYC ever get any media play? Or LA? Or Dallas? etc. In my mind it makes more sense to go to cities that lack at least 1, maybe 2 of the spring sports. But, they have picked the cities. So now we wait for names/identities.
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    This Sunday: Bills and Dolphins Battle in 1960s Uniforms

    That is a nice, clean look for both teams. The only thing better would be the look from the late 80's-early 90's.
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    Alliance of American Football - Team Names and Logos

    I agree with pretty much everything you say here. My takeaways... Birmingham-- If they want to go logo-less on the helmet, that is fine, but make the stipe distinctive by giving it a beveled "metallic" look and maybe even putting the hexbolts from the logo along the stripe to add something visual. Then have the main logo at the top of the pant stripe, or on the sleeve just to give it something to look at. Salt Lake-- After seeing the shots of the uniform on a mannequin at the unveiling I think it works out better than it seems to in the marketing photo. The dark blue seems darker, which helps the contrast with the light blue. I like the side stripe, but I am still not sold on the light blue pants. I think using the darker blue for the pants (and light blue socks) would make this stronger. Atlanta-- I agree that the ATL would make much more sense on the pants, but I do like the current pant stripe (a triangle with the crown atop it.) I still think their secondary logo (crown with the A in it) is stronger than just the crown alone, and the helmet would be better if the crown were either on both sides (with the bottom stripe in white instead of gold) or across the front of the helmet like a crown. Purple facemask instead of the gold would also help. The facemask is too much. Orlando-- When you see the actual uniforms (not the marketing image) there is a shot of the side stripes, They are split, with a white divider between 2 thinner stripes. Still looks strong. San Diego-- My only complaint is the use of the number/logo. Had it been logo/logo on the helmets, it would be very strong. There is a video on AAF Fan Access (Facebook) that shows an actual helmet and the yellow is much more metallic than on the photos released. Arizona-- Along with Orlando, one of the best. Would have gone with Green or Orange socks, but otherwise really great. Memphis-- No complaints. Love the jersey and pant stripe. The helmet is top rate. San Antonio-- I agree. Get rid of the logo and maybe go with number/number on the sides or nothing at all. The rest works well together. Hoping that if they survive (I think we will see 3-4 seasons from them, but only if their backing is as strong as they claim it is, capitalization is key) we get some expansion, and with expansion we get to see clash uniforms. I would love to see Orlando with an orange jersey, and most teams with a white alternate (or maybe a silver one for SA or BIR).
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    The XFL may be making a comeback

    My guess is that McMahon's ego will push him to make the same mistake so many leagues make, seting up shop in the most expensive, most sports-saturated markets and then struggling to get any media coverage in those cities. He should avoid NY, LA, Chicago, etc. and place teams in markets where they might actually be appreciated, supported and covered by local media. Were I him, I would start with these 8: Portland Sacramento Albuquerque St. Louis Louisville New Orleans Orlando Hartford
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    Alliance of American Football - Team Names and Logos

    The different Facebook pages of each team are revealing images/videos from the unveiling events and there seem to be some elements of the uniforms which the main AAF image release does not show: 1. Atlanta's pant stripes are a crown with a triangle stripe below it. 2. Orlando's shirt and pant side stripe are split as two thick stripes with a thin white stripe between them. 3. The AZ pattern on the helmet stripe of Arizona is repeated on the jersey side stripe. 4. San Diego seems to be going with a metallic gold, not athletic gold (yellow) on the helmets, and the chevrons are the helmet design, not the Naval Academy stripes. 5. Salt Lake has a silver helmet, and the royal blue seems darker/flatter, making for a better contrast with the light blue.
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    USL 2 Team Taking Suggestions for New Name

    Real FC Flint United Dynamo of Anaheim
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    Alliance of American Football - Team Names and Logos

    I believe having only 1 uniform will help with brand identity. One clear look for each team. But, I would expect that if the league reaches a point where they are going to expand they will then have to consider adding a clash uniform (not necessarily white, but something different from the primary).
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    Alliance of American Football - Team Names and Logos

    My very quick assessment: Orlando-- Cleanest look. I was hoping for an orange helmet, but I like the oversized/back-emphasis archer design with the large number. The rest of the uniform looks solid, though I worry what the underarm design is. If it is another bow, that may be too much. Memphis-- Much better than I expected. I am happy they did not put the E on the helmet. The plane alone works better and the 2-tone is not as horrid as the Jags had. Arizona-- Probably my favorite. Guess I will be a Hotshots fan. Love the use of a yellow jersey. The helmet stripe is inventive without being too much. I am not a fan of using a logo on one side and a number on the other, but since so many teams in the AAF are doing that, I cannot fault AZ just for this. San Diego-- I like the Navy (NCAA) inspired helmet design (better with 2 logos instead of number) and the use of the two greys in the uniform. Not sure if yellow socks really helps. San Antonio-- The helmet is trying to do too much. Either the sword/alamo 2 color design or the logo but not both. I think the jerseys are also doing too much. Either shoulder yoke or side stripes but both here, with 3 colors, is a lot. San Antonio-- The 2 blues seem too close together to work well and I am not a fan of grey socks here. Darken the royal and it works better. I also think the helmet logo takes the least obvious part of the horse image and makes it too big. Who looks at that and thinks "mane" instead of "wings"? I would have gone with the logo here instead of the mane only. Atlanta-- Sparkle purple? Is that a thing? The ATL would have been better on the pants, and I think they missed a chance to do more with the crown. At the very least use the 2 color Gold + White crown instead of just the gold. Birmingham-- All black unitard with a logo-less helmet? They have 2 greys to work with I would have expected the pants to use one of them. The most basic of the uniforms, but why no logo? they have a solid grey on grey logo they could use and it would work. Or, at the very least, add some hex-bolts onto the stripe to give it more of a metal look. Overall, a solid, consistent design across the board. Nothing truly offensive, but some missed opportunities here. Looks like prime fodder for folks on this board to do some tweaking and demonstrate how minor modifications could improve the look for season 2.
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    Major League Football

    They have not released logos yet, and it is only through a twitter leak, but the names and locations of the 8 teams for the proposed Major League Football spring league are a possible harbinger that this league is already in rough shape. Apparenlty the MLFB folks are not big fans of plural nouns (a trend I hate in modern branding for sports) Utah Stand --- I assume SLC is the city, all the teams use state names. Rolling my eyes at the name, especially with the whole Cliven Bundy group in the news, last thing we need is a team named after a "stand" in this sense. Why not go with "Swarm" if you must do a non-count noun since bees are a major theme in Utah? Texas Independence --- Predictable, I guess. But again, a political position (secession) that could have been avoided or more subtle if they used Republic instead of Independence. Oklahoma Nation --- How long before the Redskins/Indians comparisons? You have to assume this is in reference to Native American nations, right? Ohio Union --- The one that least annoys me, due to possible Columbus Blue Jackets parallels. Most likely Akron, so that is tenuous at best. Northwest Empire --- Only redeemable if the (Eugene?) based team uses the Death Star or a stormtrooper as their logo. Florida Fusion--- Will the logo consist of an atom or a wonton taco? Arkansas Attack--- another potentially militaristic (or in this case Confederate-themed) logo? Not loving the tone of most of these. What is so wrong with naming teams after bears, tigers, dogs, horses or birds? Alabama Airborne--- Not even a noun. Airborne is an adjective used to describe Rangers or a Division. Trying to go military here? Reminds me of the spray you use to prevent getting a cold. Could have been so much better if they didn't go for the ridiculous non-count nouns. I will wait for the logos before I give up completely on this league (which has no money behind it yet and only marginal social media skills). I would have gone with: Salt Lake City Swarm, Texas Rawhides, Oklahoma Drillers, Ohio Hammers, Oregon Thunder, Florida Tropics, Arkansas Aces and Birmingham Steel. See, two non-count, not 8.
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    Alliance of American Football - Team Names and Logos

    It looks like all the uniforms will be revealed next Tuesday at the QB Draft watch parties and then online. Any predictions? Here are my big questions: 1. Will there be a team with a white helmet or will they all be darker? My guess is Memphis for the White helmet or no one. 2. How will Arizona combine their 3 colors? Will they try to imitate the actual uniforms of the Hotshots (yellow helmets/shirts and green pants?) 3. Will any team do the unitard thing with the same color jersey, pants and socks? My guess would be either no or Birmingham. 4. Will San Diego downplay the yellow and basically have uniforms in Dark & Light Grey? I really hope not. I think Yellow + Charcoal is better than a dual grey uni. 5. Orlando helmets: Navy, White or Orange? I am hoping for Orange, but a lot of their marketing uses a navy background. Thoughts?Insert other media