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  1. This thread needs more Kent Tekulve. (I personally don't find any of those uniforms particularly "ugly"--except for maybe that third combo--but I understand some do. Tekulve, on the other hand...)
  2. Same here. In a weird way, though, I'm strangely happy for him. I can still remember that B.A.S.S. show infrared, CS85 and I believe IceCap used to do; one of those was a call-in episode for board members, back in like 2012 or 2013, something like that. I think Frank dialed in first and spoke, right before I did. (And I remember several of y'all remarking about the distinctiveness in our respective voices...haha.) I never got--and still don't get--into all the political stuff, so I can't speak to any of that; but I remember some of his rants in the SiG forums and elsewhere, especially about his Mets. (Like I got room to talk, because I just recently read back through some of my earliest post and threads and oh my God...I cringed at myself.)
  3. Yet another crazy coincidence...the Mets have actually had two pitchers with the same name at the same time twice--"coincidentally", also named "Bobby", and also, "coincidentally", one was a righty and the other a lefty... The one on the right was, by that point, entrenched right-handed starter Bobby (M.) Jones. The one on the left, signed in 2000, was left-handed reliever Bobby (J.) Jones. (Bonus coincidence: these two also found themselves on the same San Diego Padres team at the same time two seasons later, in 2002.)
  4. My story is a little wierd, especially being born and raised in college football country on the Florida panhandle. From about the age of thirteen I remember tracing pictures of football (& later hockey players--& I'll get back to this in a moment) from sports magazines, creating my own logos, uniforms, and sports leagues based on locations around my local area and state. But I think what really did it for me was the perfect storm of probably the last sport anyone would think would capture a young Black kid's attention on the Gulf Coast at that time: hockey. And it was the second Mighty Ducks movie (D2) that did it. At the time I remember loving the way those looked-- little did I know the NHL would add a team by the same name with the same uniforms at the same time, so that's part of what got me into hockey way back when. The other part was at the same time this movie came out, the East Coast Hockey League had just added and relocated a bunch of teams to the deep South, one of them being in my hometown of Pensacola, the Ice Pilots. (That last image is blurry, but that is in fact Wayne Gretzky's little bro, Brent--he played in Pensacola for a season or two.) I wasn't a huge fan of either the logo or uniforms (they were literally facsimiles of the parent club Quebec Rafales), but 13, 14- year- old me & the rest of Pensacola certainly took hold to them, and the sport, to the point some of us were breaking off chair legs and playing hockey in the street with nerf balls, rollerblades and overturned trash cans-with jerseys we designed from white t- shirts and colored markers. Also curious me got to checking out the logos/uniforms of other teams in the league, which led to me finding stuff like this, one of my favorite sweaters (and nicknames), the Jacksonville Lizard Kings: This was a 97-98 alternate jersey, and to my memory the first time I remember seeing link in any pro sports uniform. And actually, the Lizard Kings had a habit of doing weird things with their jerseys: So due to my newfound interest in a sport I previously knew nothing about, I found myself watching the NHL All-Star game that same year, when this look showed up, later to be picked up by the Dallas Stars two seasons later (?); I always thought the star design was one of the coolest things ever. The other thing I remember drawing my and the Nieuwendyk jersey really capture this-- were the double outlines on the NOB and numbers. It's a detail that really prevailed during the '90s. And speaking of good ol' '90s design, this still ranks as one of my favorite logos/uniforms of all-time...at the time I'd never seen anything like it (nor have I since): Gotta love the kachina joints, right?? But getting back to my former Ice Pilots...we had a guy on that squad by the name of Glen Metropolit, who played well enough during his time in Pensacola to earn his way into the NHL, landing with the Washington Capitals: I remember being shocked when i saw him with that team, since I'd already taken notice of them due to a Capitals jersey I remember seeing hanging up in a sporting goods store in town: I remember loving everything about those--the colors, the font, the design, the logo...they just looked so, well, "federal", like that font would look just as good on our paper currency. I had already taken to the Caps at this point, even sorta "adopting" them as my favorite NFL team based solely on those uniforms. At one point i was able to name most everyone on that Petr Boners, Sergei Gonchar, Olie the Goalie Kolzig, the aforementioned Juneau... Then they came with those black alternates shortly thereafter... This era of Caps uniforms & logos still rank as my all-time favorites--in any sport. And thus you have it. Despite my ardent love of football (more so on the college side) and later soccer, it's good ol' hockey that got young teenage Buc hooked on logo/uniform design (and sports branding in general).
  5. I'll add in my congrats and regards to all y'all true Falcon folk out there, as well. If not for that '98 postseason, I'd say y'all finally know how I felt back in '02 when Tampa Bay finally went all the way--the same as I'm sure my comrade @BlueSky felt when his Saints won it all, too). And for the record, I'm also pulling hard for Atlanta to win this thing, as I have all postseason. From my viewpoint, that's a well-run class organization there; they and the real Falcon fans deserve this. (Besides...three of my sisters live down in Atlanta, so it'll be worth it to see them & their husbands light up should the Falcons emerge victorious. Plus, Julio Jones' hometown of Foley AL is roughly 20 minutes west of my own, so there's a semi-local connection there, and of course Devonta Freeman is a Florida State product, so yeah--go Falcons.)
  6. I have been to St. Louis and the rest of Missouri in the summertime. Indiana has them and inland Florida both beat...but none hold a candle to the fall line of South Carolina. (Or Louisiana.) And oh by the way, congrats to Cleveland, the Cavaliers, and all you trueblood north/northeast Ohio truebloods out there. Enjoy it.
  7. Awesome story. These are the kinds of things many do not know about Detroit because they don't get told--or in this case, shown. It's that kind of friendliness that many who've never been to the D or base their opinions on what they read/see in magazines and movies never experience. I took my first trip to Detroit back in '06. Actually went up to meet a friend of mine who's from up there (Cadillac, actually), for one of the big Auto Show. As that was also the year Comerica hosted the Auto Show and then-newly-built Ford Field hosted the Super Bowl, downtown was bustling with activity. At that time the old Tigers Stadium was still standing, and I remember standing there looking at both of these parks next to each other...a sight to see. Of course I also got introduced to the People Mover downtown, a great way to check out all the sights not to mention get to and from the convention center where the auto show was going on. Got to check out Ford Field, the Joe and several other things. But what really drew me in was when my friend gave me the grand tour of "the rest of" Detroit. Now I should mention she's white, nerdy, just the sweetset soul one could ever know, and quite possible the last person anyone would expect to know the ins and outs of all the various hoods of Detroit, much less wander into them. And yet, there she was, showing me all the decrepit ghosts of Detroit past, past the factories and mills, and of course all up and down 8 Mile. (The movie by the same name had just come out not long before that, I believe, and it felt surreal seeing with my own two eyes literally everything I saw in that movie.) And that's what really connected me to Detroit: the people. I've always told people you will not find harder-working people than you will in Detroit...you can tell many can't stand where they work, all that back-breaking labor in those stamping plants and other factories, but at the same time they also seem motivated by that, and can keep a smile on their face, and still talk, walk and chill with you, while taking actual pride in their work. Those are my kind of people--people like me. And of course given my current profession, I have an even deeper appreciation for that, so much so that every time I've been back since (which during my over-the-road days was quite often, most frequently to the 8-Mile and Van Dyke area, as well as Highland Park, a few to Hamtramck, down where the Davisson turns from freeway to surface street, and Warren up above 8 Mile), I just skip right past the downtown draws and seek out the nitty-gritty and chat with them. If not for all that winter-hawk, I could easily see myself living up there and enjoying Detroit. Many people think I'm crazy for thinking this, but for all those reasons (and reasons such as your experience with DeJuan, B-Rich), Detroit is actually my favorite city in the country. Ha! Had I seen this thread earlier, I'd have warned you about the (in)famous "Michigan Left". Turn right, immediately cut all the way to the left, find the first u-turn you see, turn back around and go the other way. That had to be fun for you (though I'm sure all that mess that occurs up under Causeway Blvd down in Metairie probably prepped you for it). Got to love all the various location-specific navigational maneuvers around this country--the Michigan Left, the New Jersey Left, the even-worse Pittsburgh Left, and as I'm about to start calling it where I live now, the "Nashville Left" (not to mention "Nashville Exit").
  8. Who besides me remembers the days when for every Troy Aikman there was a Wade Wilson and/or Jason Garrett, for every Drew Bledsoe there was a Scott Zolak, for every Brett Favre a Matt Hasselbeck (& Mark Brunell for that matter), for every Phil Simms a Jeff Hostetler, for Every Dan Marino a Bernie Kosar and/or Scott Mitchell, for every Joe Montana a Steve Young--and for Young, a Steve Bono...and Rich Gannon...and Elvis Grbac--and for every Steve McNair a Chris Chandler, while at the same time competent serviceable journeymen like Dave Brown, Kent Graham, the aforementioned Chandler (I seriously think he might hold some kind of record for teams played with/started for), Eric Zeier and even the likes of Mark Rypien, Bobby Hebert and Billy Joe Tolliver existed? What happened?? My guess would be general impatience on the part of coaching staffs and head brass egged on by the impatience of fan bases who didn't want to wait while teams actually developed quarterbacks. Remember those days...when teams had competent enough starters behind which they could afford to sit and develop their young backups? (That string of 49er QB's is the best example--each one of those guys went on to becone tenured starters somewhere. Same with the Green Bay QBs--no surprise Mike Holmgren was the common link.) Teams don't do that anymore. I think Peyton Manning messed it up for everybody--& if he didn't then Michael Vick surely did, because a/ they were both rookies who tasted success pretty much from day one, and b/ that was about the time everyone started looking for the next great "quick hit". That was also about the time those "old dependable serviceable journeen" fell out of vogue and out of the league, and ever since then, it seems to me the quality of quarterbacking just hasn't been the same. I think the other thing that caused it, slow as it was, was expansion. Inside a ten year span, three teams were added to the league--Jacksonville, Carolina and the Texans. By the time the Texans stood up back in '02 (?) I personally think the QB talent pool got stretched thinner than it had already become by that point (recalling the disappearance of those aforementioned dependable journeymen about that same timeframe). From then to now, I can probably count on one hand the number of actual quality tenured starters that have entered the league. Fewer quality QB's plus impatient head brass, coaching staffs and fanbases (meaning less if ANY time to develop future quality QBs) all got us to the point we're at now.
  9. My favorite occurrence(s) of this were back around the turn of the century--two teams whode primary uniforms had more of a change kit-to-primary-kit dichotomy going on: Two completely different crests, home and away...yet somehow they seemed to make it work. (By the way, I don't know about anyone else but I miss those duds. Well except the Blueland ones--those annoyed me.) In Ucla's case, no light blue appeared anywhere on the roads, making them look somewhat like two different teams, but you can obviously see the cohesion. (Now having posted these, I'm honestly amazed none of y'all have yet brought up the Cowboys, NY Giants, or the Minnesota Wild's sweaters...)
  10. And that was from an NFL Monochrome Madness thread I created I think back in 2010 or something. Of course the real thing will probably include red socks because Color Rush...
  11. Two of the three, the Niners and Bucs, were in fact done by the same guy(s): Osaki Creative Group, led by Kurt Osaki (who by the way is also a Cali guy by way of Hawai'i), and may explain ehy they look(ed) so similar to each other. For what it's worth, he/they also did the Ravens (count the similarities there), Dolphins, and Jets. I remember reading some correspondence by Kurt Osaki wherein he mentioned his love of comic books, which probably explains some of his artistic style a good bit--especially with the Ravens and Buccaneers.
  12. I've been noticing some things happening with [what's now called] Nissan Stadium lately, chiefly the increasing adornment of bright red (which, for what it's worth, is Nissan's corporate color so I'm not too surprised by that). They've painted up much of the formerly bare concrete in the color (which definitely does make the structure appear more attractive now), added additional fascia, changed some signage, and currently workers are removing the old red seats in the upper bowl and installing navy ones, leaving an alternating navy/red/navy pattern from the top level to the middle level to the field level. They're also currently painting the ends of the upper decks at either end in navy, as well. I've also noticed much of the signage using more red and navy. Noticeably absent--not that it was ever all that present to begin with but now its much more glaring--is the luv-ya/columbia blue. Now all this may all merely be nothing, or all this may be pointing to signs of some kind of a brand identity update. (If that's the case, when you're currently the least relevant franchise in the league, you can probably afford to hide things in plain sight like this.) Just my own thoughts on this: it always seemed strange to me that the Titans have a color so uniquely idenitifiable (in the NFL that is)--the columbia--and yet have it be so absent from the stadium fascia and signage. (The team does still make use of it on their website, however.) And now having lived here in Nashville for over a year which has given me chances to study the Titans' branding and identity up close (and the Predators' too, for that matter), I'm still not exactly sure what to make of the [usage of the] columbia--or the viability of the existing identity overall. On the one hand, the identity has unique elements to it that, to me at least, seem to have aged well (the shoulder yoke--although it's decreasing width recently bugs the mess out of me, the number font, and the aforementioned columbia)...on the other hand, ever since introducing the luv-ya blue alternate jerseys all those many years ago, none of their elements has ever really seemed to mesh together too well. And then there's the columbia (which by the way is much more muted in person than it looks from afar)...yes it's a relic to times past in Houston, but now after 17 seasons in Nashville (this is their 18th coming up as the Titans), part of me is convinced they could probably just do away with it altogether and go another direction. Now as to what that direction would be, whether falling in line with their across-the-river (and much better branded and lately more successful) brethren, the Predators, and making a go of incorporating athletic gold in place of the columbia (I did a concept showing that some time ago), or figuring out a unique usage of red and blue (which would bring their overall look more in line with the Tennessee state flag--which the more and more I see the stadium and signage changes, the more and more I wonder if they might indeed be heading in that direction, but that's just me). Anyway, just something I figured I'd pass along...it may all mean nothing, or it may be nothing to come...but worth keeping an eye on nonetheless. (For those who care, anyway). For what it's worth, here's some photos I took showing the stadium updates during the offseason.
  13. I left some feedback over on your Behance project; I'll also leave some more here. First things first: you went through an incredible (to say the least) amount of research on this. It definitely helps to be thorough...one never knows where or how he or she may happen upon design inspiration. A name as abstract and ambiguous as "Thunder" really gives one as much room as desired to be as creative as possible--no "box" really exists. And since the team's current brand identity invokes no semblance of "thunder" whatsoever, you were really able to disassemble the whole thing and rebuild from the dirt up. Everything almost seems to fit into a "system" of sorts--you don't see that very often in sports design. (It's one thing to create great logos, another thing to make them all tie together. It's also one thing to create great uniforms. But it's something else entirely to make all that fit within a cohesive system, wherein certain elements not only build upon each other, but can also be interchanged with each other AND still be strong enough to stand on their own, particularly when it comes to merchandising--another element to consider when crafting a successful brand identity system.) Overall, I think you did a top-notch job of visually communicating the thoughts, emotions, and ideas you were going for, so in my eyes, the brand identity in itself is a success. That said, there's a few things I'd like to see you try before I'd call it a fully integrated system (in my mind, anyway). Now, let's get technical... You kept the most distinctive parts of OKC's current identity: the state flag blue and the "sunset" orange-crimson, as well as the navy. Several have said that they preferred the flag blue color be the primary; I agree with your stance ony using the dark navy as the base since 1) it connotes the idea of a stormy sky much better than the flag blue and 2) it provides MUCH greater visual contrast with the other elements. I'm not, however, entirely sold on the off-white color. I get that it helps enforce the western thing, but I think eliminating it for pure white would make the whole thing cleaner (& solve the inevitable "cream on top of white" issue that would pop up with the white t-shirt merchandise--you can even call it "lightning" if you like, haha). That said, the emotional tie Okies have for the flag blue makes it perfect for fan gear, though. I LOVE the idea of the branding iron as inspiration for the illustration style for the bison/state logo. This is the one thing I want to see you expand further into this identity. Someone mentioned extending the points of the stars to touch the state to help hammer home the branding iron aspect..I agree with that. (But I can also see why you made it as it is now...creative liberty.) I believe that mark alone can serve as a primary logo--it's strong enough in its simplicity, and because its one-color it can be applied in any color AND as part of another logo altogether. Which brings me to this point: I believe, unconventional/unpopular as it may seem, you could stick that inside a circle--connected like a branding iron of course--and wrap the ~ OKLAHOMA CITY THUNDER ~ script around it, like you have with the basketball supporting logo. Speaking of which...that one is BEGGING for the feathers. Cliche though it may be, this is one instance in which it'll really hammer home the "Oklahoma" aspect--it's something uniquely theirs. As a matter of fact...I'd try all of what I suggested with the bison logo in a roundel, surrouned by the aforementioned text, and connect five feathers (five players on the floor) to the bottom. From that you could then pull pieces as individual logos. You already have one, the bison/state logo. You could even do a basketball-with-feathers logo in the same branding-iron illustration style. The only part that wouldn't really fit, unless you want to make it fit, is the OKC/lightning bolt logo (which I really like the bolt on the K in that one). All those ideas above is why I also am not hot on the font choice. (Then again I'm not the biggest fan of block fonts--you know that. ) I think porting over the Industria font they use now would fit right into this, as the curves and angled interior corners would play well with the curves and sharp corners of the bison--plus it's (for the most part) monoline, so it'd fit right into the branding-iron illustration aesthetic, and preserve some continuity with the current identity as well. I really like the idea of the "rainstorm" diagonal pinstripes...that said, I also think it'd hammer that idea home better if the lines were dashed like they are in the write-up on your Behance project; it'd read better as "rain". You could then even sublimated those into the navy and sunset uniforms as well (the Atlanta Hawks may well set a precedent for uniform sublimation in the NBA). That's what I got...awesome job on that. Definitely one of the best NBA rebranding projects I've seen, and at any rate the most comprehensive I've seen in a long time.
  14. I just thought of something else: Might the prominent "A" also be for "A"rthur Blank?? #conspiracytheory #norealbasis ---------------------- (Oh and, count me also in for #3.)
  15. It is what it is.That said, I don't know what other extensions (if any) exist of this brand identity, so until I do see those I won't base the totality of my opinion on this. True, the badge is probably the most prominent element of the identity (though probably not the most visible), but I learned some time ago that some thought has to go into how it fits within the overall identity--alternate logos, apparel, fan gear, all that stuff--and then there's the whole reproduction issue i.e. embroidery, screening, web, print, stationery. I'd have to see the creative brief on this project (fat chance!), but taking all that into consideration, perhaps they felt that this was the overall best/safest/easiest way to go. And if that's the case, so be it. Based off this image here, I almost feel like the gold will play a huge role in the overall identity. And if so that'd definitely set them apart from the established black-and-red (& at one point striped) United side roughly 400 miles up the coast. I guess time (and success on the pitch) will bear that out. Much has been said about the a/ usage of a simple "A" for primary symbolism and b/ the positioning of such. I think I can understand the reasoning of both. To the former, as ubiquitous as the colloquialism "ATL" is nationwide, so too is the simpler colloquialism "the A" in and around the Atlanta area (y'all can thank the Atlanta Braves for that). And as for the positioning of the A inside the circle, my guess is this: had they positioned the whole letter in the circle, the plane on which the base of the letter sits would've created more space below the letter and within the circle than there would've been above the plane at the top of the letter, which most likely would've looked unbalanced. And, by pushing the stems down into the circle (this may or may not come out in the marketing speak, but I don't doubt that some point someone somewhere brought this up), it kinda creates the effect of the A...ahem..."rising" from within the circle. (!) Far as the beveling, I'm sure that was merely just for creative effect. As it is, it's inoffensive. I kinda like the font treatment. (Harry, if you're reading this, I'm sure you had something to do with that.) Looks like it was modified from Stratum. My only gripe about that is its similarity to the font used for the Columbus Crew SC badge. But again, solid and inoffensive. And i guess that would have to be how I summarize what of this brand identity I see now: solid and inofensive. It is what it is.