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2 hours ago, neo_prankster said:

 

Other than Dean Spanos and Dan Snyder, who else can we banish to Europe when the NFL finally brings a team to London?

 

Jerry Jones

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24 minutes ago, GDAWG said:

 

Jerry Jones

 

England’s team. 

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I'll kill Orlando for those of you thinking of it - per the NFL Constitution and Bylaws, part of the City of Orlando is within the boundaries of the home territory of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.  Home territories extend 75 miles in every direction from the exterior corporate limits of the home city - which, in Tampa's case, takes out about 1/5th of Orlando.  Exceptions can be made to this of course (Baltimore/Washington; Oakland/San Francisco; New York and Los Angeles), but usually they involve an indemnification payment to whoever's territory is being encroached upon.  Actually, San Diego and Los Angeles were in territorial conflict technically speaking as well.

 

San Antonio, meanwhile, might get quashed by a Jerry Jones, but if enough owners saw fit to put a team there, there's nothing he'd be able to do about it - San Antonio infringes on neither Houston nor Dallas' home territories.

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8 hours ago, AstroBull21 said:

Why is Orlando ever brought up?  Florida NFL is already saturated with three teams...and even that is too much.  Four is absolutely overkill.

 

Portland? Maybe.....San Antonio? Maybe

 

 

For that matter, why is Portland ever brought up in this discussion?

 

There's no way an NFL team would consider Providence Park adequate, and there's nothing even remotely close to an alternative. Nor is there a real appetite for it. Hell, the recent push for MLB — while a legitimate endeavor — is still a long shot, in no small part due to real estate. 

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Reports say that the Chargers can't opt out of the LA Stadium in Ingelwood until 2040

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20 minutes ago, Darknes said:

Reports say that the Chargers can't opt out of the LA Stadium in Ingelwood until 2040

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35 minutes ago, Darknes said:

Reports say that the Chargers can't opt out of the LA Stadium in Ingelwood until 2040

Of course they agreed to those terms.

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They're already in the general part of the LA area so their best hope might be to recruit Raider fans by rebranding as the Inglewood Ice Cubes.

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1 hour ago, Darknes said:

Reports say that the Chargers can't opt out of the LA Stadium in Ingelwood until 2040

 

There'$ plenty of way$ for lea$e$ to end be$ide$ "opting out".  

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It just feels like the NFL has set itself up to have so many of the EXACT same problems in LA they had the last time. How dumb do you have to be to delay a move to a city for TWO full ass decades because you’re worried about screwing it up (well, that and you’re trying to exploit any major city you can for funds), only to set yourself up with damn near the same predicament you had in the 90s? 

 

I dont understand how people this stupid and absolutely insistant on tripping over their own cocks have power and money. They should be living in the streets begging for our scraps. 

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11 minutes ago, Bucfan56 said:

I dont understand how people this stupid and absolutely insistant on tripping over their own cocks have power and money. They should be living in the streets begging for our scraps. 

Just think about or Wiki the list of current owners. 

 

Look at how many inherited or married into their team and/or wealth.

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6 minutes ago, dfwabel said:

Just think about or Wiki the list of current owners. 

 

Look at how many inherited or married into their team and/or wealth.

 

That’s great news because I, myself, am a complete and total moron. Now, where can I find a wife like this? EHarmony, right? 

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9 hours ago, leopard88 said:

 

The Bucs have averaged "only"* about 60,000 fans (90% of capacity) over the last five years.  Putting another team 90 minutes away certainly isn't going to help that average.

 

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* -- I put "only" in quotes because it says something to me about how much the NFL has skewed everyone's perspective/expectations that putting 60,000 people in the stands every week almost seems like a failure.

Good point. Keep in mind the biggest stadium in baseball sits a maximum of just over 50,000, while most NBA/NHL arenas usually get 20-30k a game.

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Apples and very different apples. 

 

Going to an event once ebedy 14 days is far easier than going to one every couple of days, and much cheaper. 

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10 hours ago, Bucfan56 said:

It just feels like the NFL has set itself up to have so many of the EXACT same problems in LA they had the last time. How dumb do you have to be to delay a move to a city for TWO full ass decades because you’re worried about screwing it up (well, that and you’re trying to exploit any major city you can for funds), only to set yourself up with damn near the same predicament you had in the 90s? 

 

I dont understand how people this stupid and absolutely insistant on tripping over their own cocks have power and money. They should be living in the streets begging for our scraps. 

 

This shows you exactly how desperate Goodell was to keep the Rams in St. Louis.  He arbitrarily delayed Kroenke’s legal move and secretly worked behind the scenes to aid St. Louis in their efforts to re-negotiate the lease.  And then, when it was clear he couldn’t actually prevent Kroenke from moving back to LA, the NFL saddled him with a tenant/“co-owner” that he neither needed or wanted.  

 

If they thought the Spanos clan could rein in Kroenke or dilute his impact in LA, they obviously weren’t paying attention to the people involved. And by bending over backwards to help St. Louis against the Rams, Goodell only temporarily inconvenienced Kroenke while doing great damage to the Chargers in the process.

 

The NFL has long thought themselves untouchable.  Powerful beyond the reach of safety concerns, contracts, even market forces.  At some point they will need to realize they’ve been flying too close to the sun.  I only hope they don’t have to learn that lesson from gravity itself. 

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12 hours ago, Darknes said:

Reports say that the Chargers can't opt out of the LA Stadium in Ingelwood until 2040

 

They are... but then again, they aren't.  There is one scenario where the Chargers could get out... they could find a team that wants to take their place and is willing to assume its obligations, then do a franchise swap, a la the Philadelphia Eagles/Pittsburgh Pirates swap in 1940 or the Baltimore Colts/Los Angeles Rams swap in 1973.  Perhaps a Jacksonville Jaguars, Cincinnati Bengals or Buffalo Bills decide to leave.  They make an overture to Spanos (or whomever owns them at that point) and cut a deal:  the Jags/Bengals/Bills assume the L.A. obligations, freeing up the Chargers to go back to San Diego, or to go to some other market.

 

It wouldn't necessarily be a smart play, but it's one that's at least technically possible.

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25 minutes ago, Gothamite said:

 

This shows you exactly how desperate Goodell was to keep the Rams in St. Louis.  He arbitrarily delayed Kroenke’s legal move and secretly worked behind the scenes to aid St. Louis in their efforts to re-negotiate the lease.  And then, when it was clear he couldn’t actually prevent Kroenke from moving back to LA, the NFL saddled him with a tenant/“co-owner” that he neither needed or wanted.  

 

If they thought the Spanos clan could rein in Kroenke or dilute his impact in LA, they obviously weren’t paying attention to the people involved. And by bending over backwards to help St. Louis against the Rams, Goodell only temporarily inconvenienced Kroenke while doing great damage to the Chargers in the process.

 

The NFL has long thought they were untouchable.  Powerful beyond the reach of safety concerns, contracts, even market forces.  At some point they will need to realize they’ve been flying too close to the sun.  I only hope they don’t have to learn that lesson from gravity itself. 

I kinda hope they do. While I always have and likely always will love the game of football and its excitement, I really don’t care for the NFL itself and would love to see it go down in flames. 

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18 minutes ago, Mac the Knife said:

 

They are... but then again, they aren't.  There is one scenario where the Chargers could get out... they could find a team that wants to take their place and is willing to assume its obligations, then do a franchise swap, a la the Philadelphia Eagles/Pittsburgh Pirates swap in 1940 or the Baltimore Colts/Los Angeles Rams swap in 1973.  Perhaps a Jacksonville Jaguars, Cincinnati Bengals or Buffalo Bills decide to leave.  They make an overture to Spanos (or whomever owns them at that point) and cut a deal:  the Jags/Bengals/Bills assume the L.A. obligations, freeing up the Chargers to go back to San Diego, or to go to some other market.

 

It wouldn't necessarily be a smart play, but it's one that's at least technically possible.

 

Thats a possible solution.  

 

But there’s an easier one - just ask Stan Kroenke to release them from their obligations.  

 

He didn’t want them in his stadium in the first place; letting them out certainly serves everybody’s interests. He’ll amost certainly extract a financial penalty for the privilege, since he holds all the cards, but in the end, he wants the Chargers gone more than anyone else I the world. Better to negotiate a token one-time payment than contintinue to flounder and fail in LA.

 

Whatever the Chargers owe to the NFL itself for moving to LA can be dismissed with a wave of the owners’ collective hand. There are no laws holding the Chargers in the market, only league rules and conditions they applied arbitrarily and which can be removed just as easily. Goodell will just have to get over his desire to punish Kroenke, and then the Rams can get busy solidifying the market.  

 

Football isn’t baseball or soccer. It’s a television sport, not boosted by the local rivalries that boost interest and attendance in other sports. There’s simply no reason to insist on two teams in LA. If the third-largest market in the country can get by just fine with only one team, then so can the second. 

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1 hour ago, Mac the Knife said:

 

They are... but then again, they aren't.  There is one scenario where the Chargers could get out... they could find a team that wants to take their place and is willing to assume its obligations, then do a franchise swap, a la the Philadelphia Eagles/Pittsburgh Pirates swap in 1940 or the Baltimore Colts/Los Angeles Rams swap in 1973.  Perhaps a Jacksonville Jaguars, Cincinnati Bengals or Buffalo Bills decide to leave.  They make an overture to Spanos (or whomever owns them at that point) and cut a deal:  the Jags/Bengals/Bills assume the L.A. obligations, freeing up the Chargers to go back to San Diego, or to go to some other market.

 

It wouldn't necessarily be a smart play, but it's one that's at least technically possible.

Let's leave the Jaguars outta that, K.

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