NFL Merry-Go-Round: Relocation Roundelay

[Mitch B]

On 11/5/2018 at 10:03 AM, LMU said:

Yeah, I didn't want to go that far into the weeds but since you bring it up, we have all these major concert/stage venues in competition:

 

*Walt Disney Concert Hall

*Pantages Theatre

*Microsoft Theater

*Hollywood Bowl

*Dolby Theatre

*Forum

*FivePoint Ampitheatre

*Greek Theatre

*Segerstrom Center for the Arts/Concert Hall

*Dorothy Chandler Pavilion

*Ahmanson Theatre

*Mark Taper Forum

*Orpheum Theatre

*Saban Theatre

*Hollywood Palladium

*Wiltern Theatre

*Numerous clubs, community theaters, college theaters, etc.

 

Then for museums we have, but not limited to:

 

*Hammer Museum of Art

*Gene Autry Museum of the American West

*USS Iowa

*The Broad

*California Science Center

*Getty Center

*Getty Villa

*Grammy Museum

*Griffith Park Observatory

*LA County Museum of Art

*Museum of Contemporary Art

*Missions San Juan Capistrano, San Gabriel, San Fernando, and San Buenaventura (not going as far as Santa Barbara for this purpose)

*Museum of Tolerance

*LA County Natural History Museum

*Page Museum/La Brea Tar Pits

*Petersen Automotive Museum

*Skirball Cultural Museum

*Under construction Academy Museum of Motion Pictures

 

And, of course, amusement parks include:

 

*Disneyland

*Disney's California Adventure

*Knott's Berry Farm

*Knott's Soak City USA

*Six Flags Magic Mountain

*Six Flags Hurricane Harbor

*Universal Studios Hollywood

*Legoland (on the way to San Diego but close enough for this purpose)

*Pacific Park (Santa Monica Pier)

*Raging Waters

*Wild Rivers (closed a few years ago, being relocated)

 

Even with all this competition when the population of the metro area per the Census Bureau is over 13 million, not including visiting fans and people making a longer drive, getting 70,000 fans a game isn't a sign of a mistake.

 

If I lived in L.A. and had easy access to the Hollywood Bowl, that's where I'd spend my entertainment dollars.  I don't think I've ever enjoyed a performance venue more.

[Brian in Boston]

With the City of Oakland having filed a lawsuit against the Oakland Raiders over the team's planned relocation to Las Vegas, where will the franchise play its home games in 2019?

According to Jay Glazer, "London is now an option for the Raiders. It's being discussed for them to play (there) next year. They're still trying to figure it out. Other owners have brought it up to the Raiders, the Raiders are discussing it."

Per Glazer, one of the scheduling scenarios under consideration would see the Raiders play alternating four-game home and road stands over the course of the 2019 season (four "home" games in London, four road games in the United States, then repeat the cycle).

NFL rumors: Raiders to London in 2019? It's an option, has been discussed

Now all we need is for Mark Davis to be named heir to the British throne in a King Ralph-like twist.   

[Gothamite]

Well, we’ve long said that no team could move to London permanently because playoff scheduling and travel would be a mess.  But the Raiders?  Yeah, that might work.  

[RyanMcD29]

 

[LMU]

[neo_prankster]

On 12/14/2018 at 10:17 AM, tigerslionspistonshabs said:

Just out of curiosity, is the average former San Diego Charger fan that resides in San Diego still rooting for the Chargers? Or is there some resentment? 

 

Still a TON of resentment down here.

[TBGKon]

On 12/24/2018 at 1:50 PM, Gothamite said:

Well, we’ve long said that no team could move to London permanently because playoff scheduling and travel would be a mess.  But the Raiders?  Yeah, that might work.  

I feel like IF the Raiders play all home games in London, the agreement might be to play only 8 dates.  IF the Raiders make the playoffs, playoff games could be played stateside somewhere to allow for a more natural schedule.

[DG_ThenNowForever]

Is it good or bad for the NFL to all of a sudden have so many team relocations? It makes it seem like the league is destabilized, but if you're trying to attract municipal investment in stadiums in the hopes of securing a franchise, that might not actually be a bad thing.

 

The Raiders are clearly in flux (is Las Vegas 100% happening?). The Jaguars could be moving, whether to London or somewhere else. It doesn't seem like other teams are on the move, but who knows, really? The Bills will never really feel settled. And it also seems like other teams could always demand a new, better stadium in nearby municipalities, like Washington's trying to do with the RFK site.

 

Shouldn't the NFL be better prepared for the Raiders' stadium situation next season? This all seems very XFL-ish.

[dfwabel]

38 minutes ago, DG_Now said:

Is it good or bad for the NFL to all of a sudden have so many team relocations? It makes it seem like the league is destabilized, but if you're trying to attract municipal investment in stadiums in the hopes of securing a franchise, that might not actually be a bad thing.

 

The Raiders are clearly in flux (is Las Vegas 100% happening?). The Jaguars could be moving, whether to London or somewhere else. It doesn't seem like other teams are on the move, but who knows, really? The Bills will never really feel settled. And it also seems like other teams could always demand a new, better stadium in nearby municipalities, like Washington's trying to do with the RFK site.

 

Shouldn't the NFL be better prepared for the Raiders' stadium situation next season? This all seems very XFL-ish.

Las Vegas is definitely a go since the stadium is over 30% complete.

Webcam: https://www.raiders.com/lasvegas/live-stadium-camera

 

The more cities interested in a franchise or business is better for the business (see the fight for Amazon HQ2).  Now as for the long-term survival in the event a team actually moves, it is always TBD by the community itself in terms of its economy and corporate support. 

 

As for the Bills, the Pegulas hired a consultant last month for both the arena and stadium.

[Gothamite]

9 hours ago, AstroBull21 said:

I feel like IF the Raiders play all home games in London, the agreement might be to play only 8 dates.  IF the Raiders make the playoffs, playoff games could be played stateside somewhere to allow for a more natural schedule.

 

Would really be terrible to keep playoff games from the “home” crowd. 

 

Which, again, is why no team could actually move to London permanently. 

[bosrs1]

On 12/22/2018 at 12:20 AM, Wings said:

Talk of the Raiders possibly using AT&T Park have sprung up again. 

 

Not if the SF Board of Supervisors has anything to say about it (and they do). The Supervisor whose district has AT&T Park in it has come out strongly against the idea in solidarity with Oakland. 

 

https://sf.curbed.com/2018/12/27/18157939/raiders-att-park-nfl-football-move-lawsuit-stadium

[kimball]

2 hours ago, bosrs1 said:

 

Not if the SF Board of Supervisors has anything to say about it (and they do). The Supervisor whose district has AT&T Park in it has come out strongly against the idea in solidarity with Oakland. 

 

https://sf.curbed.com/2018/12/27/18157939/raiders-att-park-nfl-football-move-lawsuit-stadium

 

Interesting. The plot thickens.

 

But, seriously, why isn't Levi's Stadium not a real option right now? I'm the NFL and the Raiders could make it worth it to the Niners.

[bosrs1]

7 minutes ago, kimball said:

 

Interesting. The plot thickens.

 

But, seriously, why isn't Levi's Stadium not a real option right now? I'm the NFL and the Raiders could make it worth it to the Niners.

 

Supposedly Davis has been adamant that it's not an option. Probably because playing there at all lends credence to the notion that the Raiders should not be leaving the Bay Area at all and always should have moved into Levis (ala the Giant/Jets and Rams/Chargers), and rightly so I'd add. Hell Levis was built to accommodate the Raiders despite the Raiders not choosing to get involved with its construction. It's got a whole separate third locker room that was built specifically for the Raiders that's behind a big roll up door from what I've read just waiting for them to move in. 

[FiddySicks]

I’ve been pushing for a 49ers/Raiders combined stadium deal for YEARS, and that glorified outdoor shopping mall in Santa Clara is absolutely perfect for this scenario. It would soften the blow of the 49ers not playing in the actual city of San Francisco, because now you’d have BOTH teams down there. It’d basically be the west coast version of MetLife Stadium. I’d even go as far to say that the insane price tag that building had would’ve been more worth it to tax payers because at least you’re funding a building that holds the entirety of pro football in your metro area. That I could at least live with. 

 

But instead the :censored:ing WORST most absolutely putrid city in the country in my god forsaken home state had to bend over and give Mark Davis and the NFL nearly a billion dollars of public money that they don’t have for a football stadium they’re going to keep 100% of the profits on. This is also a state where they’re already dead last in education and public services provided due to lack of funds as it is. 

 

There has been a LOT to dislike about the NFL over the past decade, no doubt about it. But this move specifically is what killed the NFL for me forever. It shows such a wanton disregard for the well-being of anyone but the absolute richest :censored:s involved and it’s downright disgusting. 

 

the Raiders, Nevada, and mother:censored: the NFL with a rusty pitchfork for how all of this went down. 

 

 

[Camden Crazy]

14 hours ago, Bucfan56 said:

I’ve been pushing for a 49ers/Raiders combined stadium deal for YEARS, and that glorified outdoor shopping mall in Santa Clara is absolutely perfect for this scenario. It would soften the blow of the 49ers not playing in the actual city of San Francisco, because now you’d have BOTH teams down there. It’d basically be the west coast version of MetLife Stadium. I’d even go as far to say that the insane price tag that building had would’ve been more worth it to tax payers because at least you’re funding a building that holds the entirety of pro football in your metro area. That I could at least live with. 

 

But instead the :censored:ing WORST most absolutely putrid city in the country in my god forsaken home state had to bend over and give Mark Davis and the NFL nearly a billion dollars of public money that they don’t have for a football stadium they’re going to keep 100% of the profits on. This is also a state where they’re already dead last in education and public services provided due to lack of funds as it is. 

 

There has been a LOT to dislike about the NFL over the past decade, no doubt about it. But this move specifically is what killed the NFL for me forever. It shows such a wanton disregard for the well-being of anyone but the absolute richest :censored:s involved and it’s downright disgusting. 

 

the Raiders, Nevada, and mother:censored: the NFL with a rusty pitchfork for how all of this went down. 

 

 

 

Vegas slaps, idk what you’re on about 

[dfwabel]

16 hours ago, bosrs1 said:

 

Supposedly Davis has been adamant that it's not an option. Probably because playing there at all lends credence to the notion that the Raiders should not be leaving the Bay Area at all and always should have moved into Levis (ala the Giant/Jets and Rams/Chargers), and rightly so I'd add. Hell Levis was built to accommodate the Raiders despite the Raiders not choosing to get involved with its construction. It's got a whole separate third locker room that was built specifically for the Raiders that's behind a big roll up door from what I've read just waiting for them to move in. 

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He said that in both May 2015 and February 2016 at a time when he was discussing the Carson site with the Chargers.

 

That said, I think there is a difference between being a permanent sublet versus a one-year rental. Two weeks ago at the NFL meetings in Irving, only San Antonio was off Davis' list.

[FiddySicks]

2 hours ago, Camden Crazy said:

 

Vegas slaps, idk what you’re on about 

 

Vegas is trash. 

[oldschoolvikings]

2 hours ago, Camden Crazy said:

 

Vegas slaps, idk what you’re on about 

Wait... Is "slaps" good or bad?  They may be the dumbest slang term yet.

[bosrs1]

2 hours ago, dfwabel said:

He said that in both May 2015 and February 2016 at a time when he was discussing the Carson site with the Chargers.

 

That said, I think there is a difference between being a permanent sublet versus a one-year rental. Two weeks ago at the NFL meetings in Irving, only San Antonio was off Davis' list.

 

Well keep in mind it would not have been a sublet if permanent. The Raiders were offered full partnership early on before the Niners were rejected and went it alone. So the implication of playing there still stands. Remember per the NFL bylaws teams can't move if there is a legitimate option in their home city. It's why St. Louis is suing and will likely win that suit as they presented a viable option that Kroenke didn't want to use. Levis was a viable option for the Raiders they conveniently ignored. 

[The_Admiral]

36 minutes ago, Bucfan56 said:

 

Vegas is trash. 

Las Vegas is everything people say is bad about America, all concentrated in one place.