FiddySicks Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 18 hours ago, kimball said: Seriously, how hard is this? And, while we're on the topic ... how hard was it to share the stadium and save the Bay Area from the losing the Raiders again? This has been the question from anyone with any sense since the very beginning. It just made SO much sense to do it that way. On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosrs1 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 43 minutes ago, Bucfan56 said: This has been the question from anyone with any sense since the very beginning. It just made SO much sense to do it that way. Except those that have been there. Levis Stadium sucks by pretty much every possible measure. It's hands down the absolute worst new stadium built since the mid-90's. Add in the Raiders having to bunk in a stadium that is covered in a hated rival's crap and it's just a non-starter for them. I honestly feel bad for 49ers fans having to go to games there. Hopefully the Niners can get a new stadium in the next few years to replace their new stadium like the Falcons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosrs1 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 19 hours ago, GDAWG said: The Raiders have a messy stadium situation for the year and a messy front office with the Regional Manager (Jon Gruden), the Assistant to the Regional Manager (Mike Mayock) and the Assistant to the Assistant of the Regional Manager (Ryan Grigson). Regional Manager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wings Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 When you have the Yorks & Mark Davis running things, it's a pretty much a given to be a constant disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcake Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 42 minutes ago, bosrs1 said: Regional Manager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 2 hours ago, Wings said: The Niners are willing to share for one season. It's the Raiders that don't want to. I don’t know why people don’t get this bit. They built their stadium with two home locker rooms so they could have a second team move in. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 hour ago, bosrs1 said: Except those that have been there. Levis Stadium sucks by pretty much every possible measure. It's hands down the absolute worst new stadium built since the mid-90's. Add in the Raiders having to bunk in a stadium that is covered in a hated rival's crap and it's just a non-starter for them. Well, all that weird ego stuff aside, the real non-starter was the idea that these two teams could’ve ever conceivably get two separate billion dollar stadiums in the Bay Area on the taxpayer dime. That was NEVER going to happen, and anyone who had any foresight whatsoever could’ve told you that. Honestly? The idea of the Niners and Raiders playing in the South Bay is just fine with me if it meant that they’d get to keep both teams and have it cost half as much. They basically did the same thing in New York and it works out just fine. I’m totally willing to sacrifice some of the glitz and even some of the convenience if it means it was done in a fiscally responsible manner. Putting both teams in the same building in the most affordable part of the Bay Area (by comparison) would’ve been just that. On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosrs1 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Bucfan56 said: Well, all that weird ego stuff aside, the real non-starter was the idea that these two teams could’ve ever conceivably get two separate billion dollar stadiums in the Bay Area on the taxpayer dime. That was NEVER going to happen, and anyone who had any foresight whatsoever could’ve told you that. Honestly? The idea of the Niners and Raiders playing in the South Bay is just fine with me if it meant that they’d get to keep both teams and have it cost half as much. They basically did the same thing in New York and it works out just fine. I’m totally willing to sacrifice some of the glitz and even some of the convenience if it means it was done in a fiscally responsible manner. Putting both teams in the same building in the most affordable part of the Bay Area (by comparison) would’ve been just that. Well I mean they got one stadium in the Bay Area, and not even really on the taxpayer dime. So it wasn't completely inconceivable they'd get another one partially on the public dole. But I agree, the original plan had the Raiders partnering with the Niners years before LA became Giants Stadium West made tons of sense. But the Raiders wanted no part of Levis Stadium. And you can kinda understand why. The Niners were the lead on the conceived combined project much like the Rams are in LA now with the Chargers. Yes they'd have been partners, but really in name only. It was still going to be the Niners venue, the Raiders would just play there. There's little doubt the Chargers have become the football Clippers due to their circumstances, and the Raiders would have suffered a similar fate moved 50 miles from the center of their fan base (such as it was locally), down to a stadium that even Niners fans don't like, in a place that's nigh inaccessible and kinda lame (I speak from experience as I used to work across the street from where they built the stadium... there's nothing there). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wings Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Levi's is surrounded by homes, Great America amusement park, a hotel, the Santa Clara County convention center & some kind of sports club and beyond that it's the tech world. It's really a shame that couldn't build at Candlestick point. Yeah getting in and out of there sucks, it's cold and the Hunters Point neighborhood blows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 3 hours ago, bosrs1 said: Except those that have been there. Levis Stadium sucks by pretty much every possible measure. It's hands down the absolute worst new stadium built since the mid-90's. Add in the Raiders having to bunk in a stadium that is covered in a hated rival's crap and it's just a non-starter for them. I honestly feel bad for 49ers fans having to go to games there. Hopefully the Niners can get a new stadium in the next few years to replace their new stadium like the Falcons. 2 Ever been to Ford Field or the renovated Soldier Field? Ford Field is worse beceuse of using the former Hudson's warehouse and thus has really narrow concourses. Design wise, Levi's is Ford Field w/o the brick and the roof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosrs1 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 6 hours ago, dfwabel said: Ever been to Ford Field or the renovated Soldier Field? Ford Field is worse beceuse of using the former Hudson's warehouse and thus has really narrow concourses. Design wise, Levi's is Ford Field w/o the brick and the roof. Eh, Ford Field at least has a little character. Levis could be home to any team and as mentioned above, looks like it's perpetually incomplete. It's currently the second best NFL venue in the Bay Area. And with the other stadium being the 50 year old multipurpose Coliseum that's saying something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo_prankster Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 11 minutes ago, bosrs1 said: Eh, Ford Field at least has a little character. Levis could be home to any team and as mentioned above, looks like it's perpetually incomplete. It's currently the second best NFL venue in the Bay Area. And with the other stadium being the 50 year old multipurpose Coliseum that's saying something. What's going on now with the Candlestick Park site? The Fictional Story of Austus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 18 minutes ago, bosrs1 said: Eh, Ford Field at least has a little character. Levis could be home to any team and as mentioned above, looks like it's perpetually incomplete. It's currently the second best NFL venue in the Bay Area. And with the other stadium being the 50 year old multipurpose Coliseum that's saying something. It’s a really boring stadium, prices are absolutely OUTRAGEOUS, it’s in a sort of dead location, and those stupid glass boxes were an absolutey moronic idea, no doubt. But it’s really not that bad of a stadium. The ONLY thing The Coliseum has on it is that it’s directly on a BART line. Other than that, Levis Stadium is a plenty suitable park. On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 8 hours ago, neo_prankster said: What's going on now with the Candlestick Park site? The stadium site and the adjacent former Hunters Point Naval Shipyard are under redevelopment for mixed use (residential and commercial). A mall on the stadium site itself had construction stopped last summer due to the changing retail sector. Other parts of the site are still being prepped but the Shipyard still (going on two decades) has concerns over how much radiation is on the site and the belief that the reports regarding the cleanup were faked by Lennar Homes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi74 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 13 hours ago, bosrs1 said: Eh, Ford Field at least has a little character. Levis could be home to any team and as mentioned above, looks like it's perpetually incomplete. It's currently the second best NFL venue in the Bay Area. And with the other stadium being the 50 year old multipurpose Coliseum that's saying something. Ford Field feels like a poorly designed mall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo_prankster Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 4 hours ago, dfwabel said: The stadium site and the adjacent former Hunters Point Naval Shipyard are under redevelopment for mixed use (residential and commercial). A mall on the stadium site itself had construction stopped last summer due to the changing retail sector. Other parts of the site are still being prepped but the Shipyard still (going on two decades) has concerns over how much radiation is on the site and the belief that the reports regarding the cleanup were faked by Lennar Homes. They could've kept working on the mall. I'm sure there's a niche/hipster market out there for it. But what I want answered is why was it so hard for the 49ers to get a stadium built in San Francisco proper. The Fictional Story of Austus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, neo_prankster said: They could've kept working on the mall. I'm sure there's a niche/hipster market out there for it. But what I want answered is why was it so hard for the 49ers to get a stadium built in San Francisco proper. 2 You've never been to where Candlestick was, or possess any concept of the changing retail sector, have you? It never helped the Lennar that two outdoor retail projects have been recently renovated less than ten miles away in Westfield Shopping Center in Daly City and Hillsdale in San Mateo. As for why, first, read this from Slate written in 2013 and follow the links. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosrs1 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 25 minutes ago, neo_prankster said: They could've kept working on the mall. I'm sure there's a niche/hipster market out there for it. But what I want answered is why was it so hard for the 49ers to get a stadium built in San Francisco proper. San Francisco didn't offer the York's much of anything in terms of assistance. If they wanted a stadium it was going to be on them. Santa Clara offered some land and $100,000,000 in funding (which on the balance isn't alot compared to some cities, but it was about all they were going to get in the Bay Area). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo_prankster Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 13 minutes ago, dfwabel said: You've never been to where Candlestick was, or possess any concept of the changing retail sector, have you? It never helped the Lennar that two outdoor retail projects have been recently renovated less than ten miles away in Westfield Shopping Center in Daly City and Hillsdale in San Mateo. As for why, first, read this from Slate written in 2013 and follow the links. Not a change for the better in my opinion. Sounds more like a change for the worst. https://cyber-breeze.com/shady-things-amazon-jeff-bezos-doesnt-want-know/ https://www.ebayinc.com/stories/news/ebay-announces-lansing-michigan-as-its-second-retail-revival-partner-city/ 3 minutes ago, bosrs1 said: San Francisco didn't offer the York's much of anything in terms of assistance. If they wanted a stadium it was going to be on them. Santa Clara offered some land and $100,000,000 in funding (which on the balance isn't alot compared to some cities, but it was about all they were going to get in the Bay Area). Yeah, but isn't Santa Clara kinda far from where most Niners fans live? The Fictional Story of Austus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wings Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Remember when Eddie D wanted to build a stadium/mall to replace Candlestick Park and then that little situation in Louisiana popped up..... ooops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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