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I don't think Saskatoon could work either. I don't think it's big enough and the two professional teams already in the province get supported by the whole province.

 

Everybody in Canada knows about Rider Nation for the CFL's Roughriders and the two year old NLL Rush have become a smash hit, but both leagues play a weekly (football) schedule with the Roughriders playing nine home games a season out of Regina and the Rush playing their nine out of Saskatoon.

 

Both teams draw from out of their respective cities with season ticket holders across the province. Since the homes games are only once a week at most, people are willing to make the drive to "home" games.

 

I don't know if Saskatoon itself would be able to fill 41 home games a year, much less games played on different days of the week.

 

The current arena would also need renovations to make it up to NHL standards. Saskatoon has been approaching the idea of discussions on a new arena, but I don't know if NHL is on their minds.

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Saskatoon is an odd duck: the arena and market size say AHL, but the location says stick to major-junior. It could be a good Jets affiliate if there weren't concerns about travel costs, but again, Winnipeg itself is hardly on a circuit. I'd stick with the Dub and focus on getting the Blades up to being a flagship franchise like the London Knights. 

 

I don't think the NHL can go any smaller than Quebec City or Hamilton, and even Hamilton's fine once you start lumping in Halton, Niagara, and K-W.

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4 hours ago, the admiral said:

Saskatoon is an odd duck: the arena and market size say AHL, but the location says stick to major-junior. It could be a good Jets affiliate if there weren't concerns about travel costs, but again, Winnipeg itself is hardly on a circuit. I'd stick with the Dub and focus on getting the Blades up to being a flagship franchise like the London Knights. 

 

I don't think the NHL can go any smaller than Quebec City or Hamilton, and even Hamilton's fine once you start lumping in Halton, Niagara, and K-W.

I completely agree. Aside from QC and Hamilton, there are no suitable alternate Canadian cities for the NHL. By the time pro sports leagues get to a point where they are willing to consider breaking the 32 barrier (probably about 2045, at the earliest), Saskatoon could be suitable, given their high growth rate, but that's a long way off.

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20 hours ago, LMU said:

If you really want to get technical they're considered the same franchise seeing as how the Seals/Barons franchise was merged with the then North Stars and the Sharks were "unmerged" even to the extent of being able to take some Minnesota players with them.

In business only, not in any sort of true legacy or history sense. The Sharks don't claim any of the Seals or Barons records (nor should they, really). The Barons are still officially considered a fold, and the Sharks an expansion. The Sharks did have the rights to revive the Barons as an AHL identity, and I suppoose the Seals, if they really wanted to, but that was because it's the same ownership, not the same franchise.

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The Sharks should honor the Seals' records by holding "we let Montreal draft Guy Lafleur first overall" night. First 5,000 fans in the building get a free banana peel to slip on.

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1 minute ago, the admiral said:

And yet, when I suggested that the Isles needed to be really worried, since Barclays would be crazy to hold onto such weak numbers on a deal that benefits the Isles so much, people on here acted like I was just beating a "go sunbelt, f*@& OTH" drum. I wasn't. I just minored in business.

 

Their TV deal is the only thing keeping them from feeling it, like the Coyotes, or Hurricanes. If they don't do something, the wheels are liable to fall off that, and the NHL might start seeing them as a lucrative route to a new metro market.

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Who the hell's gonna build a new arena for the Islanders as a primary tenant? And they can't trudge back out to Uniondale, right? Maybe they can reach some sort of deal with the Devils that would be exactly what it sounds like from an Isles perspective. Otherwise, up to Le Colisee Nouveau they go.

 

As far as bad ideas go, at least this one didn't last very long.

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Uhh, I think all of us figured out that Barclays wasn't going to work like two weeks in when people couldn't see the ice and the Nets' president said "nbd watch on your phones," or when the team never moved its offices/practice facility out of the suburbs and made everyone take trains to the games, or when ice-level seating was given to Honky the Car. The Islanders are going to play somewhere else in the area like we said they would and like the owners themselves more or less said they would.

 

EDIT: or when the ice melted because they cheaped out on the ice plant and used PVC piping

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Is Hartford "in the area"?

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4 minutes ago, the admiral said:

Uhh, I think all of us figured out that Barclays wasn't going to work like two weeks in when people couldn't see the ice and the Nets' president said "nbd watch on your phones," or when the team never moved its offices/practice facility out of the suburbs and made everyone take trains to the games, or when ice-level seating was given to Honky the Car. The Islanders are going to play somewhere else in the area like we said they would and like the owners themselves more or less said they would.

 

EDIT: or when the ice melted because they cheaped out on the ice plant and used PVC piping

But who will take them, with their numbers? 

 

I'm not rooting against them, but this three Greater NYC teams train is bound to run out of gas, sooner or later. If it was such a great idea, then why is only the fourth most popular major league, in the US, doing it? This whole thing is NHL anti-thread fodder. Just because the Isles have legacy doesn't change the fact they were a niche market. Having moved out of that niche, they're floundering.

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6 minutes ago, Sodboy13 said:

Is Hartford "in the area"?

Hartford doesn't have a suitable arena. If the XL's (14,750 seating and built in the early 70's) $250 million expansion and renovation plan goes through, it could be viable, though.

 

On a side note, though, their AHL attendance could be worrisome to a potential NHL tennant.

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I'm not worried that they'll leave the area just yet. Both Belmont and the Wilpons have reportedly been willing to work with the Isles, and they do have that big tv deal that they won't get elsewhere.

This would be a fun temporary fix!

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Given MSG's track record, regarding rival hockey teams, I would be shocked if there was any credibility, to this.

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He was just throwing that out there. But you do realize that the Islanders (and Devils) are on the MSG Networks, right? And that if either team leaves, either for another network or another city, it would be a serious blow to MSG? With just the Rangers, Knicks, and Devils, it would be a lot harder to price gouge consumers and other cable operators with two full-time channels. Look at how much they were willing to pay the Devils to keep them off SNY or YES when their rights were up ten years ago.

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News breaking here in NY/NJ that the Islanders and Barclays' arrangement is gonna end up in a messy divorce.

 

It's either: 

Isles sever the pact after 17-18 

 

Or

 

Barclays severs the pact after 18-19.

 

Either way, this is it. You're essentially looking at the final two years of hockey in Brooklyn. Time to start drawing renderings of the KC Scouts or QC Nords? 

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15 minutes ago, NYYNYR said:

News breaking here in NY/NJ that the Islanders and Barclays' arrangement is gonna end up in a messy divorce.

 

It's either: 

Isles sever the pact after 17-18 

 

Or

 

Barclays severs the pact after 18-19.

 

Either way, this is it. You're essentially looking at the final two years of hockey in Brooklyn. Time to start drawing renderings of the KC Scouts or QC Nords? 

 

There was talk a while back about the team possibly moving to a new building near Citi Field.  Anyone know if that is still a possibility?

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"How cheaply can we build a 16,000-seat arena?" should be some interesting problem-solving, especially after Ratner broke the bank on Barclays only to build a hideous rusted spaceship that can't host more than one sport.

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:censored:, man. I hope the Isles stay in NY. I've loved this team since I was little, and have stuck with 'em through this last decade. I don't know what I'd do if they left the Island, or at least NY. Seeing them go to Hartford, Kansas City, Quebec, Seattle, or any other :censored: ty citywould be a huge blow to myself, my family, and the vast majority of Isles fans. If we didn't really love this team, if we didn't pay for tickets, if we didn't pay for merchandise, if we didn't pay to watch the games all the way from Colorado (Where my family and I are), they'd already be in one of those cities.

 

I don't think moving back into the Coliseum or into a new arena are bad ideas. A new arena would be great, and the Isles could potentially move the Sound Tigers with them. If they do it right, it could be like the Barclays Center and pull in concerts year round, too.

 

Moving back into the Coliseum (Or the Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum Presented by New York Community Bank, as they call it now) wouldn't be awful, either. They just renovated it, and while it seats less than Barclays Center, it's a center of tradition, and is easier for people to get to.

 

I hope to God they find a way to stay in New York that doesn't involve MSG.

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Granted you've got to take anything Mangano says with a grain of salt... as per Newsday Islanders discussed possible Coliseum return, Mangano says

 

But yeah, I'm not too too worried with the options on the table. Cuomo's been pushing to get that Belmont site built up as part of all his public works projects, Flushing might be an option on the table to try and keep that LI-outer borough bridge going, and I've always felt the Coliseum would still work out even with the smaller capacity (it is quite a bit smaller than MTS Centre's capacity, but I felt that Winnipeg's made the small arena approach work out nicely so they probably could do the same here)

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