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Yeah, this whole thing isn't over. I still feel like this charade is going to go on for another year or two, and the moment the Coyotes are legitimately about to walk out the door, the state of Arizona is going to panic and give them hundreds of millions of dollars more for a new "Entertainment Complex" in, like, Ahwatukee or something. 

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5 hours ago, Bucfan56 said:

Yeah, this whole thing isn't over. I still feel like this charade is going to go on for another year or two, and the moment the Coyotes are legitimately about to walk out the door, the state of Arizona is going to panic and give them hundreds of millions of dollars more for a new "Entertainment Complex" in, like, Ahwatukee or something. 

Sadly, you are probably right. But how long must the charade go on?

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I'll say what I've been saying for years. With proper ownership, and a little winning, any metro area of 2 million or more, in the US could work, for the NHL. Some places are going to be more of a fight. Some places can sustain bad, mismanaged teams, but "non-traditional" markets NEED to be well managed, if they want a chance. 

 

The Coyotes' problem is two-fold. Their team is poorly managed, which would make it a struggle anywhere in the metro area. Take a struggling team, put them on the outskirts of town, and you're compounding your problem.

 

Phoenix is an area that could have worked, but it hasn't. It still could work, but that's incredibly unlikely.

 

I want to see the Coyotes succeed, for three reasons. I live in Tucson, where their affiliate is. I am dating a die-hard 'yotes fan, and their continued existence allows me to go see my team once or twice, a year, without turning it into a big trip. Objectively, though, it's probably time to pull up stakes and move.

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But proper ownership and the NHL tend not to go hand-in-hand. The guy who bought the Lightning for next to nothing is considered one of the greatest men who ever lived just because he didn't leverage the team for a real-estate scheme or turn out to live in his car.

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On 3/11/2017 at 0:03 AM, TRoyConcepts said:

Imagine spending $500 million for a new team of scraps when you could have eventually bought the Coyotes for less than half that

They've had offer after offer for that team. True North tried buying them, a few other people also have, but somehow it just fell through. I wonder how that could happen?

Almost as if, external forces had some magical impact,

Oh yeah, and they're trying to pull the trigger on this whole Vegas team before someone else comes in and captures the market from them.

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I haven't chimed in since I am biased as an avid fan/ticket holder, but what I always find the most interesting is the lack of support from non-Yotes fans that have relocated to the valley. I do not expect them to support the team from a fan standpoint, but from a hockey standpoint. I get the history/funding/"better" locations/etc. arguments, and in relation to Phoenix transplants they rightfully support their teams, but if the Coyotes leave, regardless of who you support, you will have no professional hockey.

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51 minutes ago, AJM said:

I haven't chimed in since I am biased as an avid fan/ticket holder, but what I always find the most interesting is the lack of support from non-Yotes fans that have relocated to the valley. I do not expect them to support the team from a fan standpoint, but from a hockey standpoint. I get the history/funding/"better" locations/etc. arguments, and in relation to Phoenix transplants they rightfully support their teams, but if the Coyotes leave, regardless of who you support, you will have no professional hockey.

Well, that you haven't heard from them probably speaks to the rhetorical bankruptcy of "save the Coyotes to see your team from back home." You're talking about one appearance a year from those teams, two from Chicago every other year, and two or three from Western Canada. Maybe those folks like having those games, but not enough to support the corporate welfare the Coyotes obviously need to survive. I mean, people don't move to Arizona to ambitiously fund the greater good; why would they care about some stupid sports team needing a new place to play?

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20 hours ago, the admiral said:

Well, that you haven't heard from them probably speaks to the rhetorical bankruptcy of "save the Coyotes to see your team from back home." You're talking about one appearance a year from those teams, two from Chicago every other year, and two or three from Western Canada. Maybe those folks like having those games, but not enough to support the corporate welfare the Coyotes obviously need to survive. I mean, people don't move to Arizona to ambitiously fund the greater good; why would they care about some stupid sports team needing a new place to play?

Great points. By no means did I ever expect the collective fandom of NHL fans (of other teams) living in metro PHX to play a significant factor (monetary or vocal) in keeping the team here and/or a new arena (outside of purchasing tickets)...looking back maybe "support" was too strong of a word. For the most part it is just an interesting and odd dynamic to see/hear opposing fans say the Yotes should leave (and I get it to a degree), but by default you are calling for a team to leave and thus end your ability to see your team once/twice a year and/or NHL hockey.

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4 hours ago, wildwing64 said:

*remembers years back when people said Winnipeg would never work because their arena was too small for NHL hockey*

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For reference, they're tarping off the four upper level corner sections 205, 211, 220, 226. And for an arena that really has no bad viewing seat, those would be my choice for worst aesthetically. You're right up against a wall (they have these suite "towers" in the four corners). You feel slightly less connected with the rest of the arena. Of course any pro team tarping off seats sounds bad and it'll probably look bad, but idk if this will affect anything really when it comes to the game watching experience there.

 

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I hate hearing seats referred to as "inventory".

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The arena doesn't appear to have retractable seating down in front like most arenas do. That's interesting because most arenas have a floor much wider than 85 feet.

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The lower portions of sections 104 - 108 are retractable to allow for staging...not a whole lot of retractable, but some.

 

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Interesting. That's a lot less retractable seating than I'm used to seeing in the more multi-use arenas. Look at how big the Bradley Center floor is:

 

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