NHL Anti-Thread: Bad Business Decision Aggregator

[ElwoodCuse]

The NHL skipping the Olympics doesn't matter in the slightest. Going to the Olympics has produced zero tangible growth in the NHL, and if it was so important to the players that they get to go, they would have negotiated for it. In the end, even the Russian guys talking tough are not going to go and life will go on and no one will care and the game between under 20s at 7 am ET are going to be watched by no one in 2018.

[Cosmic]

3 hours ago, ElwoodCuse said:

The NHL skipping the Olympics doesn't matter in the slightest. Going to the Olympics has produced zero tangible growth in the NHL, and if it was so important to the players that they get to go, they would have negotiated for it. In the end, even the Russian guys talking tough are not going to go and life will go on and no one will care and the game between under 20s at 7 am ET are going to be watched by no one in 2018.

I think Alex Ovechkin will go.  He already has a ton of money.  If the Capitals cancel his contract (unlikely), he'll play in the KHL and probably make even more.

[IceCap]

6 hours ago, ElwoodCuse said:

Going to the Olympics has produced zero tangible growth in the NHL...

If that were true than why is the NHL trying to get in on the Beijing games? If the Olympics mean nothing re: NHL growth then surely the Beijing Winter Olympics wouldn't mean anything re: their growth in China.

[Geoff]

Mike, you can't use logic. The NHL's intentions and how they view the two markets are crystal clear even if they refuse to admit or even refute them. 

 

They see Korea as providing virtually nil while China has the largest population in the world and chief rival, the KHL, is already making inroads. The nation as a whole has a hunger for sports and is getting more and more into western/team sports. It has very little established hockey culture and the NHL basically want to indoctrinate them.

[IceCap]

6 minutes ago, webdav said:

They came really close to getting the Penguins once upon a time. And rumor has it they almost got the Coyotes in 2013. I would love to see teams in both of those cities.

Heh. Hockey in Arizona has become an unmitigated disaster. 

[Gary]

On 4/19/2017 at 4:56 PM, Ice_Cap said:

Heh. Hockey in Arizona has become an unmitigated disaster. 

 

While I would say the Coyotes are a complete mess. I wouldn't say hockey in Arizona is a complete disaster. Between the fact that Auston Matthews became a star in Arizona, ASU becoming a pretty good hockey program in the NCAA and former National Champion of the lower rung of college hockey, and high school hockey is becoming a big deal. I would say that Arizona has become a growing state for hockey. Granted the Arizona Coyotes is useless, doesn't mean that Arizona is a disaster. I would say that it is growing up as a state that appreciates hockey. Definitely a lot different from 20 years ago when it was non existent. 

 

Arizona Hockey in General > Arizona Coyotes 

[RyanMcD29]

Not really anything we didn't know, but Bettman confirms the Isles are going to put in a bid for the Belmont site

 

[IceCap]

16 hours ago, Gary. said:

 

While I would say the Coyotes are a complete mess. I wouldn't say hockey in Arizona is a complete disaster. Between the fact that Auston Matthews became a star in Arizona, ASU becoming a pretty good hockey program in the NCAA and former National Champion of the lower rung of college hockey, and high school hockey is becoming a big deal. I would say that Arizona has become a growing state for hockey. Granted the Arizona Coyotes is useless, doesn't mean that Arizona is a disaster. I would say that it is growing up as a state that appreciates hockey. Definitely a lot different from 20 years ago when it was non existent. 

 

Arizona Hockey in General > Arizona Coyotes 

Well for the purposes of a thread about NHL business decisions "hockey in Arizona" means "the Phoenix/Arizona Coyotes franchise."

 

As for Arizona being a "growing state for hockey" that's great, but I hear the same thing about Tampa. With people telling me about how sport has exploded since the Lightning started up. High school leagues, adult rec leagues, booming youth programs. Nearly everything you've attributed to Arizona I've heard Lightning faithful apply to the Tampa Bay area thanks to NHL hockey. 

 

The key difference being that the Lightning fill their arena. 

So I don't doubt that hockey in Arizona is on the upswing. That just makes the Coyotes an even bigger disaster though. That they can't translate that state-wide interest in the game into ticket sales. 

 

This tream's been there for twenty years and hasn't made anyone a dime. It was time to pull the plug five, or even ten, years ago.

[ElwoodCuse]

9 hours ago, Ice_Cap said:

This tream's been there for twenty years and hasn't made anyone a dime. It was time to pull the plug five, or even ten, years ago.

 

There's no reason for the NHL to move the Coyotes until the local governments finally stop giving them money (which all governments should, all stadiums are a scam)

[FiddySicks]

Hockey in the state of Arizona really isn't as grand of a deal as they would like to make it out to be. They're pretty far up their own asses about "The popularity of hockey in the desert", but It's a city of nearly six million people, so of course you're gonna have people who like the sport and areas that cater to those people. Basically every city I've lived in on the west coast does hockey just as well, or even MUCH better, than Arizona does. What they have going there, from youth leagues on up, really isn't that special or noteworthy outside of it being really expensive to keep the ice fresh due to playing on the surface of the sun half of the year. 

[IceCap]

3 hours ago, Bucfan56 said:

Hockey in the state of Arizona really isn't as grand of a deal as they would like to make it out to be. They're pretty far up their own asses about "The popularity of hockey in the desert", but It's a city of nearly six million people, so of course you're gonna have people who like the sport and areas that cater to those people. Basically every city I've lived in on the west coast does hockey just as well, or even MUCH better, than Arizona does. What they have going there, from youth leagues on up, really isn't that special or noteworthy outside of it being really expensive to keep the ice fresh due to playing on the surface of the sun half of the year. 

 

 

[Gary]

2 hours ago, Ice_Cap said:

 

 

Living here for 30+ years. I can tell ya. Bobby ain't lying

[goalieboy82]

9 hours ago, Gary. said:

Living here for 30+ years. I can tell ya. Bobby ain't lying

as my uncle says, its the dry heat.  

 

[Gary]

It doesn't matter. It's still hot! Supposed to have our first 100 degree day tomorrow 

[goalieboy82]

19 hours ago, Gary. said:

It doesn't matter. It's still hot! Supposed to have our first 100 degree day tomorrow 

that is what i said.  

 

[mcj882000]

Reopening the NHL CBA could mean no 2020 World Cup of Hockey

To prevent what happened in 2004, where the World Cup was immediately followed by a lockout, the NHL said the other day they won't hold it in 2020 if either side opts out of the CBA, which they can do that year.

Basically, the league pulled out of the Olympics to promote their own tournament... which now has a non-insignificant chance of not happening at all.  And if that's not Peak NHL, I don't know what is.

[IceCap]

11 hours ago, mcj882000 said:

Reopening the NHL CBA could mean no 2020 World Cup of Hockey

To prevent what happened in 2004, where the World Cup was immediately followed by a lockout, the NHL said the other day they won't hold it in 2020 if either side opts out of the CBA, which they can do that year.

Basically, the league pulled out of the Olympics to promote their own tournament... which now has a non-insignificant chance of not happening at all.  And if that's not Peak NHL, I don't know what is.

OITGDNHL

 

This  in' league.

[Sport]

12 hours ago, mcj882000 said:

Reopening the NHL CBA could mean no 2020 World Cup of Hockey

To prevent what happened in 2004, where the World Cup was immediately followed by a lockout, the NHL said the other day they won't hold it in 2020 if either side opts out of the CBA, which they can do that year.

Basically, the league pulled out of the Olympics to promote their own tournament... which now has a non-insignificant chance of not happening at all.  And if that's not Peak NHL, I don't know what is.

 

:censored: this league. 

 

This is why the World Cup had no juice. They don't hold it at regular enough intervals for it to mean anything. You can't just have a tournament whenever you feel like it and expect people to care. In 04 the only reason I watched the World Cup was because I knew it'd be the last best on best hockey we'd see for the next goddamn year. Won't even have that this time around. 

 

Scheduling lockouts, knowing a lockout is coming on the horizon is the single most annoying thing about being a hockey fan. "Hey honey, you wanna finally take that honeymoon? The NHL isn't playing in two winters. Maybe instead of spending thousands on season tickets we can go see Europe. Booked."

[The_Admiral]

On 4/15/2017 at 10:08 PM, Ice_Cap said:

It's the Japanese they both have a grudge with, what with the whole "enslave the rest of East Asia" thing Japan had going for forty or so years.

 

Doesn't the Japanese hatred of Koreans go back further? Having Korean blood makes you an untouchable. 

 

I don't think Korean evolved from Chinese, though. Korean isn't related to anything. Maybe Chinese characters were the basis for their writing system, but they're not related.

[BeerGuyJordan]

1 hour ago, the admiral said:

 

Doesn't the Japanese hatred of Koreans go back further? Having Korean blood makes you an untouchable. 

 

I don't think Korean evolved from Chinese, though. Korean isn't related to anything. Maybe Chinese characters were the basis for their writing system, but they're not related.

When you learn the korean language, tou are essentially learning one ("True" or "pure" Korean) and two halves (borrowed words, primarily english, and Sino-Korean" which is essentially a redneck Chinese). They are all interchangeable, and part of the whole Korean language.

 

The closest living language to spoken Korean (Hanguk Mal) is the Chinese family, for this reason.

 

The written Korean language (Hangul) is actually farther removed, from chinese. Hangul is an alphablet. While the majority of asiatic languages are word characters, Hangul characters are actually a syllable, comprised of letters.

 

Previous Japanese isolationism didn't single those from Gor-yo (modern Koreans) more than anyone else, really.

 

Source: I studied Korean at the Defense Language Institute and lived there, twice. It sparked my interest in amateur philology.