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On 7/6/2017 at 10:44 PM, the admiral said:

Rick "Gamblor" Tocchet might be the new coach of the Coyotes. There is no way this can go wrong.

 

Certainly not at Gila River Casino Arena!

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On 7/14/2017 at 4:20 PM, the admiral said:

I hope their feet get held to the fire, on this one. I doubt it, though.

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So with Les "I despise hockey" Alexander possibly selling off the Rockets could Houston land an NHL team in the near future?

 

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Just now, Wings said:

So with Les "I despise hockey" Alexander possibly selling off the Rockets could Houston land an NHL team in the near future?

Depends on if whoever buys them thinks a NHL team is more profitable than filling Toyota Centre dates with concerts or boat shows or whatever.

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21 hours ago, Wings said:

So with Les "I despise hockey" Alexander possibly selling off the Rockets could Houston land an NHL team in the near future?

 

As I've been saying for awhile, any greater metro area of roughly 2 million, or more can get the NHL's attention. With a suitable arena and a prospective owner who can foot the bill, of course.

 

The Aeros did well enough that, assuming the arena roadblock is removed, I think the NHL would quit trying to hold team 32 for Seattle.

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Houston, a city full of people who used to live somewhere else with a large black/Hispanic native population and exurban sprawl out the ass, has the profile of an absolutely terrible NHL market. I'm sure the league couldn't be more excited about being there.

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14 minutes ago, the admiral said:

Houston, a city full of people who used to live somewhere else with a large black/Hispanic native population and exurban sprawl out the ass, has the profile of an absolutely terrible NHL market. I'm sure the league couldn't be more excited about being there.

what about Phoenix/Las Vegas

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5 hours ago, BeerGuyJordan said:

As I've been saying for awhile, any greater metro area of roughly 2 million, or more can get the NHL's attention. With a suitable arena and a prospective owner who can foot the bill, of course.

 

The Aeros did well enough that, assuming the arena roadblock is removed, I think the NHL would quit trying to hold team 32 for Seattle.

A friend of mine had moved to Houston for a couple years before coming back to Atlanta, and she said there was absolutely no hockey vibe in Houston, both around town and at the games.

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Houston seems like everything people would dock Atlanta for but worse. Even had their hockey team get evicted to make room for concerts, too.

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The Suns are looking to renovate, rather than build.

 

http://arenadigest.com/2017/07/20/phoenix-suns-no-plans-share-arena-coyotes/

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On 7/18/2017 at 8:30 PM, the admiral said:

Even had their hockey team get evicted to make room for concerts, too.

That's not how it went down. I'm not claiming Houston is some untapped Hockey hotbed, but they had a solid AHL market going. Their final 8 seasons were all top 10, performance-wise, and their attendance was in an upward trajectory, until the announcement of the team leaving (their second to last season, they had the 5th best attendance, in the AHL). During their final 5 seasons they outperformed markets like Milwaukee, Providence, Rochester, Grand Rapids and Hamilton, at least twice.

 

That is even more impressive when you consider that they had more weeknight games than most teams. Les Alexander was known for blocking the Aeros out of the best non-Rockets dates, and asked for a ridiculous increase in their lease fees.

 

This article outlines some of the history, regarding Houston hockey.

 

http://www.houstonpress.com/news/the-houston-aeros-are-no-more-rip-6714750

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13 hours ago, BeerGuyJordan said:

That's not how it went down. I'm not claiming Houston is some untapped Hockey hotbed, but they had a solid AHL market going. Their final 8 seasons were all top 10, performance-wise, and their attendance was in an upward trajectory, until the announcement of the team leaving (their second to last season, they had the 5th best attendance, in the AHL). During their final 5 seasons they outperformed markets like Milwaukee, Providence, Rochester, Grand Rapids and Hamilton, at least twice.

 

That is even more impressive when you consider that they had more weeknight games than most teams. Les Alexander was known for blocking the Aeros out of the best non-Rockets dates, and asked for a ridiculous increase in their lease fees.

 

This article outlines some of the history, regarding Houston hockey.

 

http://www.houstonpress.com/news/the-houston-aeros-are-no-more-rip-6714750

 

You didn't address the "they made more money from concerts" issue.

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On 7/22/2017 at 0:03 AM, rams80 said:

 

You didn't address the "they made more money from concerts" issue.

The original statement was an oversimplification, and stated that they were booted to make room for concerts. Nothing was said about money.

 

No AHL team makes more than a concert would. Even Hershey could make more money, if they booked concerts on those 38 dates. The same is also true of many NHL and NBA teams.

 

The bottom line is that they weren't "booted for concerts." The team was becoming more successful, and their landlords tried to triple their lease. If they had agreed to shell out the extra cash, they would have stayed. It wasn't fiscally wise to stay.

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And you don't suppose for one second that tripling the lease wasn't a ploy to either drive them out in favor of the concerts/events (because you don't need two winter sports to soak up valuable weekend arena dates) or make it so less money was being left on the table with AHL hockey?

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On 7/23/2017 at 1:33 PM, BeerGuyJordan said:

The original statement was an oversimplification, and stated that they were booted to make room for concerts. Nothing was said about money.

 

No AHL team makes more than a concert would. Even Hershey could make more money, if they booked concerts on those 38 dates. The same is also true of many NHL and NBA teams.

 

The bottom line is that they weren't "booted for concerts." The team was becoming more successful, and their landlords tried to triple their lease. If they had agreed to shell out the extra cash, they would have stayed. It wasn't fiscally wise to stay.

They could book concerts/shows/etc. on just 1/5th to 1/4th of those 38 dates and still come out making more coin than if there were 38 hockey games.

 

That ice is on the floor for at least six months, probably closer to seven.  Which means those freezer coils underneath are in use for over half the year.  Not cheap.  Then, there's the air conditioning it takes to meet AHL regulations.  Not cheap.  And, perhaps the biggest cost of all, is everything that goes into ice maintenance.....Zambonis, Zamboni upkeep, ice-making materials, properly cleaning the ice numerous times a day, and the full-time and game-day staff in charge of handling the ice.  On game days, the ice gets cleaned (and double-cleaned) about 12-15 times.  On non game days, 3-4 times.

 

What probably went down is that the owners told the Aeros', "You can keep playing here, but you're picking up the tab on the ice financials." which would explain the uptick in charge.  Building owners rarely change their rent price for whomever wants to use their building, I think for legal reasons.

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And maintaining that ice in Southeast Texas humidity must really do a number on the electric bill, right?

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After looking over all the negative variables and realizing this is the NHL were talking about I've come to the conclusion that Houston is a damn lock to get a team if Les sells the Rockets. OITGDNHL. :P

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