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7 hours ago, DustDevil61 said:

I'm disappointed that Metropolitans is not among them

Someone already snapped up the Metropolitans name. They're part hockey ambassador, and part merch shop.

 

http://seattle-metropolitans.com/

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2 hours ago, omnivore said:

The whole not using Mets thing doesn't surprise me, but they'd better raise a banner for them anyway.

I hope they have a banner for the Metropolitans there when the arena opens, but there's no need to "raise" a banner for something that happened over 100 years ago. I don't know which sense of the word you were referring to.

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13 hours ago, Bucfan56 said:

 

Why Sea Lions but not Seals? Aren't they basically the same thing? 

 

I just associate Seals with a failed franchise. Long ago, yes, but still. Sea Lions just sounds better IMO.

 

Thunderbirds would be great, but would an NHL franchise absolutely mean the demise of the WHL team, or would we have a Chicago Wolves, Edmonton Oil Kings, etc. type of situation?

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14 hours ago, Cosmic said:

I hope they have a banner for the Metropolitans there when the arena opens, but there's no need to "raise" a banner for something that happened over 100 years ago. I don't know which sense of the word you were referring to.

What you said is what I meant.

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13 hours ago, tigerslionspistonshabs said:

Thunderbirds would be great, but would an NHL franchise absolutely mean the demise of the WHL team, or would we have a Chicago Wolves, Edmonton Oil Kings, etc. type of situation?

 

Not likely in Seattle's case since the Thunderbirds play in Kent (which is 20 Miles south of Downtown Seattle) and from what I've heard have developed a solid following since moving there from the city. It would probably be a concern if they still played at Key Arena. They also have the Everett Silvertips 30 miles to the north of downtown too.

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I wish that a Seattle NHL team would be nicknamed Totems.

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I know the Islanders had been floating the possibility of roughly one game a month at Nassau since they moved to Brooklyn, but still, this happened fast, huh.

 

I would guess they'll eventually spend a whole season back home before Belmont is ready. But yeah, this is great, gtfo, Brooklyn.

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3 minutes ago, the admiral said:

but still, this happened fast, huh.

The article said something about a Tuesday deadline as part of the opt-out process.

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For a minute yesterday I prematurely gave the NHL credit for actually making a savvy decision when I thought the NHL All-Star game being played during Sunday afternoon was to avoid directly competing against the Pro Bowl, incorrectly assuming the Pro Bowl would be on in primetime. Then I checked my cable guide and saw it was playing exactly during the Pro Bowl and nodded because of course it's up against the Pro Bowl. Up against the Pro Bowl and they booked Kid Rock. It's really like they didn't want anybody to watch. 

 

To their credit it was far more watchable than the Pro Bowl. 

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I was at a dinner party and a few of us watched the third period or final or whatever with half an eye before dinner. I dunno, wasn't that impressed. At least it wasn't the Pro Bowl.

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The games were actually fun to watch, and the players were pretty much goofing around, and showing off their skill. Kucherov's no-move move goal was fantastic, as well as the double backspin pass goal were great. Fleury and Rinne actually made some great saves. And the "drama" around the challenged goal was pretty funny.

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Connecticut Governor invites the Hurricanes to play a home game in Hartford next season

 

https://www.bardown.com/connecticut-governor-invites-the-hurricanes-to-play-a-home-game-in-hartford-next-season-1.994270

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1 hour ago, tigerslionspistonshabs said:

Connecticut Governor invites the Hurricanes to play a home game in Hartford next season

 

https://www.bardown.com/connecticut-governor-invites-the-hurricanes-to-play-a-home-game-in-hartford-next-season-1.994270

Play two games per year there and open up a team-owned store a la the Raiders in LA. License to print money.

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I'd love to see those Whalers unis on the ice again- and not just half-assed for a warm-up skate.

 

Could you imagine Hurricanes wearing Whalers v Bruins both wearing 1991-92 unis at Foxboro for the Winter Classic? 

 

Whalers09.png

 

Bruins35.png

 

*salivates*

 

I'll take green v white or black v white. Both would look INCREDIBLE.

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Staying in the tri-state area, Brett Yomark has some thoughts on his soon-to-be-former tenant:

 

https://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/islanders/islanders-brett-yormark-1.16958293

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“Unfortunately, it didn’t work. We had great hopes that moving the Islanders to Brooklyn would work. Unfortunately, they were like a rent-a-team. This team never really embraced Brooklyn, unfortunately. Their fan base resides in Long Island. They have a great, avid fan base in Long Island. Brooklyn just didn’t gravitate to the team as I had hoped they would."

 

I can see his point, but I don't see the point in actually saying it out loud, especially with an indefinite number of years remaining in their relationship.

 

It was an awkward arrangement from the beginning, even without factoring in the Barclays Center's massive deficiencies as a hockey venue. Yomark's team took over marketing for the Isles, and had to preemptively declare that they wouldn’t be adding Brooklyn to the depiction of Long Island on the logo, and then abandon the new goal horn they developed as an homage to the LIRR linking Brooklyn to the rest of the island. From that point on, it doesn’t seem like they were ever able to figure out how to change the game experience or the way the team was packaged to attract new fans from Brooklyn while still placating the Long Island fans who loudly demanded continuity with their traditions and culture. Contrast that with the Nets, where the same marketing department felt almost no need to preserve any continuity with their history and fans in New Jersey and got to work from a nearly clean slate to build their identity and connect with their new fanbase.

 

You could feel it at the arena. I went to a few Islanders games as a very, very, very casual hockey fan curious to check out the team playing in my borough, and they felt like total Long Island invasions. The culture and traditions of the fans seemed fun and it was a decent environment, but it was like an impenetrable inside joke we weren’t a part of, and there wasn’t a lot for me to connect to or identify with. It seems like the only thing that worked from this shotgun wedding were the black alternate jerseys, which you see a lot of fans wearing at the games.

 

I wonder what would have happened if Yomark had been able to make whatever changes he thought could get more Brooklyn/NYC fans. Would the Long Islanders have grumbled for a while, then gotten used to it? Or was this whole thing doomed from the start, regardless?

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8 minutes ago, Waffles said:

Staying in the tri-state area, Brett Yomark has some thoughts on his soon-to-be-former tenant:

 

https://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/islanders/islanders-brett-yormark-1.16958293

 

I can see his point, but I don't see the point in actually saying it out loud, especially with an indefinite number of years remaining in their relationship.

 

It was an awkward arrangement from the beginning, even without factoring in the Barclays Center's massive deficiencies as a hockey venue. Yomark's team took over marketing for the Isles, and had to preemptively declare that they wouldn’t be adding Brooklyn to the depiction of Long Island on the logo, and then abandon the new goal horn they developed as an homage to the LIRR linking Brooklyn to the rest of the island. From that point on, it doesn’t seem like they were ever able to figure out how to change the game experience or the way the team was packaged to attract new fans from Brooklyn while still placating the Long Island fans who loudly demanded continuity with their traditions and culture. Contrast that with the Nets, where the same marketing department felt almost no need to preserve any continuity with their history and fans in New Jersey and got to work from a nearly clean slate to build their identity and connect with their new fanbase.

 

You could feel it at the arena. I went to a few Islanders games as a very, very, very casual hockey fan curious to check out the team playing in my borough, and they felt like total Long Island invasions. The culture and traditions of the fans seemed fun and it was a decent environment, but it was like an impenetrable inside joke we weren’t a part of, and there wasn’t a lot for me to connect to or identify with. It seems like the only thing that worked from this shotgun wedding were the black alternate jerseys, which you see a lot of fans wearing at the games.

 

I wonder what would have happened if Yomark had been able to make whatever changes he thought could get more Brooklyn/NYC fans. Would the Long Islanders have grumbled for a while, then gotten used to it? Or was this whole thing doomed from the start, regardless?

My major problem is him casting the team as a “rent-a-team” when the Isles’ failure to connect with Brooklyn is at least partially his fault. He took over marketing for the team and then blames the team and their fans for failing to connect with the new locale? Sorry, that’s on him as the man running the marketing side of things.

 

I’m also not a fan of him trying to claim the new arena on Long Island won’t happen. It reeks of Chris Hansen trying to sabotage the Sacramento Kings’ new arena after the NBA shot down his bid to move the team to Seattle. 

 

One more thing, and this is more of a personal question. How are fans having fun at a hockey game “an impenetrable inside joke”? And how do you feel Yormark and co. could have negated that, assuming they had free reign? 

 

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29 minutes ago, Ice_Cap said:

My major problem is him casting the team as a “rent-a-team” when the Isles’ failure to connect with Brooklyn is at least partially his fault. He took over marketing for the team and then blames the team and their fans for failing to connect with the new locale? Sorry, that’s on him as the man running the marketing side of things.

 

I’m also not a fan of him trying to claim the new arena on Long Island won’t happen. It reeks of Chris Hansen trying to sabotage the Sacramento Kings’ new arena after the NBA shot down his bid to move the team to Seattle. 

 

One more thing, and this is more of a personal question. How are fans having fun at a hockey game “an impenetrable inside joke”? And how do you feel Yormark and co. could have negated that, assuming they had free reign? 

 

I agree that a portion of the blame should fall on him, and I wish I'd touched on that in my post, as well has the way he phrased his comments to make it seem like it all just passively happened. I'm not sure how much of it was a fundamentally untenable situation with no good solutions, or how much of it was about the strategy he oversaw and executed, but he does need to own it, if for no other reason than that's what people with power/responsibility should do when things go bad.

 

I hope I didn't give off the impression that I resented the Long Island fans at the games or the fun they were having. I've enjoyed the environment they create at the games I've gone to (except on weeknights when people don't make the trip in from the Island and the arena is DEAD except for pockets of visiting fans). For me, it just felt being dropped into a party where I didn't know anyone, and everyone else had been friends for decades and had their own language and common history that was foreign to me. It was fun, but in the way it's fun to go to a game in another city you're visiting.

 

I don't know if pushing Brooklyn harder would've been a more successful strategy for them, and I don't know what it would have even entailed. Who knows if anything would have truly alienated a significant number of Long Island fans, or if they'd eventually get used to and go along with it because it was better than Quebec/Kansas Cities. It takes a long time to build a new fanbase anyway, even if they weren't going up against the the Rangers' generational equity. And very significant portion of the Barclays is not a good place to watch hockey, and that also has to come into play.

 

I also agree about his snark toward the new arena, which gratuitously unconstructive and and unnecessary.

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I tell ya, these NBA marketing departments, they're sooooo thoughtful, sensitive, and creative!

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On 2/10/2018 at 9:37 AM, tigerslionspistonshabs said:

Connecticut Governor invites the Hurricanes to play a home game in Hartford next season

 

https://www.bardown.com/connecticut-governor-invites-the-hurricanes-to-play-a-home-game-in-hartford-next-season-1.994270

 

As someone who has lived in Raleigh longer than the Hurricanes have?  They're welcome to play 41 games a year there next season if they like.  The only caveat?  We get a Major League Baseball team in trade for 41 games.  We'll even take the Marlins.

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