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30 minutes ago, Ice_Cap said:

You can't take anything like that at face value.

First, the quality of the scan or photograph (as well as the lighting in the case of the latter) will effect the colour.

Secondly? Team logos were curious things back in the day. Newspapers and magazines reprinted them in a variety of shades and colours (sometimes even oriented incorrectly) with little regard to what was "official."

So it can be hard to tell what colour scheme was intended as "correct" short of a team style guide or some near-mint condition official merchandise photographed with neutral lighting. 

 

14 minutes ago, Gothamite said:

True.  

 

But also true that mothership has a whole lotta inaccuracies. 

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18019083/uni-watch-friday-flashback-chargers-powder-blue

 

Mothership...let's get the right logo on there.

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On 10/3/2018 at 9:58 PM, Ice_Cap said:

The Raiders' branding will remain untouched when they move to Vegas. It's the Raiders. They transcend whatever locale they happen to play in.

I bet Al Davis had/has iron clad legal terms that require it as long as the franchise exists in any form and any location?

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9 minutes ago, Placebo said:

I bet Al Davis had/has iron clad legal terms that require it as long as the franchise exists in any form and any location?

Those same documents stipulate that the Raiders have to paint AFL logos in the endzones during every significant NFL anniversary season.

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37 minutes ago, Ice_Cap said:

According to that link? This should the correct colourization (rough edit)

 

AcLXByR.png

 

Looks too dark based on the picture of the uniform below, and advertisements posted earlier:

 

https://twitter.com/UniWatch/status/795685316346646528/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^795685316346646528&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.espn.com%2Fnfl%2Fstory%2F_%2Fid%2F18019083%2Funi-watch-friday-flashback-chargers-powder-blue

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7 hours ago, colortv said:

 

The game picture is from 1966, when the blue was lighter. And old advertisements are unreliable sources for color.

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5 hours ago, burgundy said:

 

The game picture is from 1966, when the blue was lighter. And old advertisements are unreliable sources for color.

The article says 1960 is the only year they wore blue bolts on the helmets.

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2 hours ago, colortv said:

The article says 1960 is the only year they wore blue bolts on the helmets.

 

Might want to read it again:

 

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The bolts were blue for the team's inaugural season in 1960 (and so were the bolts on the blue jersey that year). After changing to gold in 1961, the helmet bolts were blue again in 1966 (but the bolts on the blue jersey stayed gold that time around).

 

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Look what I found from the Rams:

 

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pi?p=coaster-fan&a=53632ee1c15873fd144a6

 

Maybe the basis for a modernized logo when they rebrand in 2020?

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"Things I just noticed"

 

I've seen the "cHargers" log with that large "H" before...but this is the first time it ever struck me as a depiction of old-school goalposts.  And now that it hit me, I suspect that's what it is.  I guess I never even decided to give the big, different-looking "H" any critical thought before...

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33 minutes ago, OnWis97 said:

I've seen the "cHargers" log with that large "H" before...but this is the first time it ever struck me as a depiction of old-school goalposts.  And now that it hit me, I suspect that's what it is.

 

That's exactly what it is.  H-shaped goalposts were still the norm in 1960, and would be for another half-dozen years.

 

I don't have a ready picture of an AFL field of the era, but this is the 1960 NFL Championship Game at Franklin Field in Philadelphia.

 

franklin_0_0.jpg

 

Note also the the posts were on the goal line - they weren't moved to the back of the end zone until 1974.

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44 minutes ago, OnWis97 said:

"Things I just noticed"

 

I've seen the "cHargers" log with that large "H" before...but this is the first time it ever struck me as a depiction of old-school goalposts.  And now that it hit me, I suspect that's what it is.  I guess I never even decided to give the big, different-looking "H" any critical thought before...

 

Unlike the ball-in-glove, I noticed this one right away . . . just like the Houston Oilers.

 

houston-oilers-vs-dallas-texans-1960-348c742281843d7d0df062b0ba3d16eae39--sports

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16 minutes ago, Gothamite said:

 

That's exactly what it is.  H-shaped goalposts were still the norm in 1960, and would be for another half-dozen years.

 

I don't have a ready picture of an AFL field of the era, but this is the 1960 NFL Championship Game at Franklin Field in Philadelphia.

 

franklin_0_0.jpg

 

Note also the the posts were on the goal line - they weren't moved to the back of the end zone until 1974.

 

Here is a Bills-Chargers photo from 1960 (but taken in Buffalo) showing H-shaped goalposts --

 

lowe-10-2-1960.jpg

 

This is what appears to be a 1964 photo of Balboa Stadium.  It's hard to tell what type of goalposts were used here, but other photos suggest they were two-post cantilevered goalposts instead of the H-shaped ones . . . for what it's worth.

 

balboastadium1964.jpg

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Yeah, by the time of Super Bowl I in 1967 those cantilevered-type posts were common, keeping the crossbar at the goal line but moving the posts back.

 

super-bowl.jpg

 

Until that point, the posts themselves were part of the strategy on goal-and-inches plays.  Offensive players would use them almost like another set of blockers.

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2 hours ago, San Diego said:

Can we just move the San Diego Chargers back to San Diego now?

They made their bed, they now have to live with it.

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Sure - he could continue to play (distant) second fiddle in LA.

 

Maybe that’s better than owning his own territory outright.  He’d better hope so. 

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Chargers will be bigger in LA than they ever were in SD, and once SD fans get over it they will be able to drive the whole two hours to watch the team if they want.

 

Heck, recent reports indicated than when the Raiders considering getting out of Oakland a year early because of stadium drama Rams and Chargers were blocking SD as an option for the interim year because they consider it their territory.

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