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If I'm the Marlins, and this many people despise the patch- remove it so t doesn't become a talking / heckling point throughout he season on the road. 

 

Heck- put the patch on the INSIDE of the jersey above the heart- so only they know it's there.... because realistically- it's for the players who consideredd him a friend anyway. 

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On 3/17/2017 at 1:29 AM, the admiral said:

I'm glad McCall is banned so I can reiterate how badly I want that lovely shade of green included in the Marlins' logo:

 

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If you switch the blue and green in the levels of the park, making the walls blue, I'll accept that.  For that matter, why are the colors in that order?  Shouldn't the green go between the blue and yellow?

 

On 3/17/2017 at 6:41 AM, Gothamite said:

Sorry to dredge this back up, but their full report was just released yesterday, and the conclusion is exactly the opposite - yes, he was driving.  He was intoxicated with alcohol and cocaine in his system and was driving the boat at full speed and with impaired visibility when it crashed.

 

Not sure that those Marlins tribute patches are really appropriate to commemorate the death of somebody whose recklessness cost not only his own life but two others with it.   

 

Yeah.  Read that on my phone yesterday.  Changes everything, and I take back anything I said giving him the benefit of the doubt.  This is worse than the OT patches.

 

I don't expect the Marlins to change anything, but they've been the Scumbag Steve of the sport since their first fire sale.

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On 3/17/2017 at 6:41 AM, Gothamite said:

 

Sorry to dredge this back up, but their full report was just released yesterday, and the conclusion is exactly the opposite - yes, he was driving.  He was intoxicated with alcohol and cocaine in his system and was driving the boat at full speed and with impaired visibility when it crashed.

 

Not sure that those Marlins tribute patches are really appropriate to commemorate the death of somebody whose recklessness cost not only his own life but two others with it.   

 

I can see both sides of the question here.

 

As a bicyclist, I hate drunk drivers; and so I perfectly understand the idea that honouring someone who died while piloting a vehicle in a drunken state, and who killed others in the process, is problematic.

 

However, the decision has already been taken and publicly announced.  To reverse it now would not really be appropriate.  We may justifiably denounce Fernandez's behaviour on the grounds that he failed to show proper respect for human life.  But we should be aware that the message "human life is precious, so you should stop honouring your beloved dead guy" is a little tone-deaf.

 

If the Marlins had waited before announcing a tribute, then there almost certainly would be no patch, given what we now know.  But having already committed to to the patch, they cannot very well go back on that decision.  

 

So the lesson here is to wait a while before announcing a tribute to a player who has died in such circumstances.

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Yes, waiting would have been a good idea.  But they didn't, and now that we know what we know, they should reconsider.  

 

They can absolutely go back on the decision.  Change plans quietly if they must, but change plans nonetheless. 

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You can't go back.  Then you get into a thing where you're codifying how someone needs to die to get honored (or how they have to die to not get honored.)  

 

Waiting a bit would have been better, I think we can all agree there, but like FC said, it's even worse to go back on what they said and publically announce that they've decided his life is not worth honoring anymore.  That makes them look worse, IMO.

 

Now of course I am in the camp that doesn't want to see a big deal made for him, so I hope (and kinda suspect) that they are just saying this because it's the right thing to say, but then in reality they phase the memorial out.  

 

Also - the others are somewhat responsible.  They saw he was wasted and didn't stop him.  They allowed a crime to be committed and it resulted in their deaths.  Sounds a little familiar, no?

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What happens in the clubhouse if management comes in and says "Actually, we won't be honoring your beloved teammate anymore?" The new information doesn't  lessen the loss for Gordon and everybody else who actually knew Fernandez and it might even make it tougher. 

 

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3 hours ago, Silent Wind of Doom said:

Changes everything, and I take back anything I said giving him the benefit of the doubt.  This is worse than the OT patches.

How is this worse than the OT patches? If anything it's now more of the same level, I wouldn't say worse unless you're just saying this because one more person died in this accident than in the OT one? 

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I could really see both sides of the argument here, but I have to admit that I'm deeply uncomfortable with permanently memorializing a person who was criminally responsible for the deaths of two other people. His number was retired precisely because he died so young and tragically, and yet the very cause of his death was a criminal act that killed two others. If he had survived the crash, he'd likely be in prison for a number of years, and his career would certainly be over - and there'd obviously be no retired numbers or permanent memorials.

 

The most tasteful approach would be a simple black armband mourning the loss of life - Jose Fernandez's included. Unfortunately, they're well past the point where they can reverse course and use a black armband (which wouldn't work on their oft-worn black alts anyway, from a practical perspective). A simple patch would suffice though - it would allow teammates and fans to mourn Jose Fernandez without lionizing him.

 

They can't go back on the retired number now, though it goes to show that retiring a number shouldn't be done in haste in the immediate wake of a tragedy.

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Manslaughter, alcohol , cocaine.

 

Meh this player doesn't deserve to be publicly memorialized. 

 

If the players want to remember him, do it somewhere other than the uniforms.

 

Just my 2¢

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58 minutes ago, Ray Lankford said:

What happens in the clubhouse if management comes in and says "Actually, we won't be honoring your beloved teammate anymore?" The new information doesn't  lessen the loss for Gordon and everybody else who actually knew Fernandez and it might even make it tougher. 

 

His teammates should have enough common sense to realise that their friend died in a way that doesn't deserve to be honoured. 

Impaired driving is a heinous, selfish act. I'm not saying everyone who knew him needs to disown his memory. Plenty of good friends die badly.

 

I'm just saying it's very scummy for an organisation with as much clout and media coverage as a MLB team to memorialise and honour such a death. 

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6 minutes ago, Ice_Cap said:

His teammates should have enough common sense to realise that their friend died in a way that doesn't deserve to be honoured. 

Impaired driving is a heinous, selfish act. I'm not saying everyone who knew him needs to disown his memory. Plenty of good friends die badly.

 

I'm just saying it's very scummy for an organisation with as much clout and media coverage as a MLB team to memorialise and honour such a death. 

They're not honoring his death, they're honoring his life. Fernandez was a guy who could've been created by screenwriter, both good and bad. Part of what makes this so tragic is who Fernandez supposedly was before that fateful night

 

 

The middle ground is probably honoring Fernandez while also raising awareness of drug abuse (which is not to call Fernandez a drug abuser) and boating safety. 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Silent Wind of Doom said:

Yeah.  Read that on my phone yesterday.  Changes everything, and I take back anything I said giving him the benefit of the doubt.  This is worse than the OT patches.

 

I don't expect the Marlins to change anything, but they've been the Scumbag Steve of the sport since their first fire sale.

 

I can see both camps of thought for taking off the patch or leaving it on. The players' feelings about their friend (who was certainly an inspirational figure, in the public's eyes) do matter, but it is pretty scummy to keep the patch and tributes around.

 

I'm firmly for taking the patch off and Benoit-ing Fernandez. It would be a powerful message against substance abuse in the league. Going from "Let's expend all of our energy into honoring him" to a complete Damnatio Memoriae would establish a good precedent. No player, no matter how good or friendly they were, is above being condemned for DUI/vehicular manslaughter.

 

This all could have been avoided if the Marlins had simply slowed their roll in honoring him. No number retirement (at least publicly), no streets named after him, and no memorial patch until the investigation concluded. Having empathy for the players and his family is a good thing, but memorializing him isn't necessary or warranted.

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If you "Benoit" Fernandez, don't you have to do something about Tony LaRussa and Miguel Cabrera? Otherwise, you're sending a message that it's okay to drink and drive so long as no one dies. 

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5 minutes ago, Ray Lankford said:

If you "Benoit" Fernandez, don't you have to do something about Tony LaRussa and Miguel Cabrera? Otherwise, you're sending a message that it's okay to drink and drive so long as no one dies. 

 

Yes, you do have to do something. Public condemnation, long suspensions (longer than PED suspensions), and mandated public service/drug awareness campaigns should be in effect.

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I remember arguing on these forums that Tony LaRussa should have been canned when he got busted for drunk driving. And I've held the opinion that drunk driving is incredibly selfish and dangerous, and those that do it worthy of scorn, shame, and the legal consequences, for as long as I've been old enough to drive myself. 

 

I'm not tying to pick on Fernandez or the Marlins here. I'm nothing if not consistent.

 

 

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I think it's a little shortsighted to ditch the memorial at this point. If anything, I say keep it (permanently) as a reminder of what can happen if you make such poor decisions. Instead of burying his legacy and history like the NCAA takes bowl wins away years later (which honestly does ZERO good in the long run), use it as a teaching tool and a cautionary tale. Dude was probably the best pitcher they've ever had, and bad decisions cost him EVERYTHING. Keep the number retired and the patch so years later when kids ask why the number is retired/in a black circle, the story can be told. Humans are are flawed creatures that make bad decisions. Some make worse decisions than others. Instead of dehumanizing them for those decisions, do the opposite and learn from those decisions. 

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2 hours ago, Ray Lankford said:

If you "Benoit" Fernandez, don't you have to do something about Tony LaRussa and Miguel Cabrera? Otherwise, you're sending a message that it's okay to drink and drive so long as no one dies. 

To be honest, the thought of erasing Tony La Russa from the history of organized baseball is making me feel kinda funny like when we used to climb the rope in gym class.

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Maybe they should just embroider his number on the chest above the wordmark of every jersey in the same color thread as the base of the jersey. 

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On 3/16/2017 at 2:34 PM, Gothamite said:

It wouldn't.  

 

But even without lighting up, that neon-version of the Marlins' logo would look great on their regular black cap. 

 

Actually, a little research brought up this company: http://www.superiorthreads.com/sewglow/ 

Right now they have limited colors, but if MLB came to them, I'm pretty sure they could come up with other colors.

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We've seen glow-in-the-dark thread in the minors.  I took from his concept that he intended the caps to light up, but he's a designer and not an electrical engineer. 

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