WSU151 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 1 hour ago, C-Squared said: Sheer ridiculousness is the military spending $50 million in taxpayer money to indoctrinate sports with their agenda. What agenda would that be? Smart is believing half of what you hear. Genius is knowing which half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 1 hour ago, WSU151 said: What agenda would that be? To increase public support, and therefore funding, for the armed forces. That is, after all, the whole point of an advertising campaign. Which is what that was. Your response seems to imply that you don't think they had an agenda. Or at least that seems a reasonable inference. But don't you think the Pentagon had a very specific goal in mind when it paid the NFL to stage those military-tribute events? The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSU151 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 9 minutes ago, Gothamite said: To increase public support, and therefore funding, for the armed forces. That is, after all, the whole point of an advertising campaign. Which is what that was. You don't think the Pentagon had a goal in mind when it paid the NFL to stage those events? True, good points. However, until now, every time I saw some sports event sponsored by the military, I saw it as attention to help recruiting efforts more than a "make sure your congressman votes yes on the funding bill" ad. Smart is believing half of what you hear. Genius is knowing which half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 I don't doubt that they would like to increase enlistments, but in the end that's what mercenaries are for. And they don't even have to pay health care for them. These staged events are really about keeping the insane amount of money flowing to the Pentagon. Everything else is secondary to that one overriding goal. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-Squared Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 3 hours ago, WSU151 said: But the patch isn't military themed (no matter how many dozens of times you try to tell us). That's a narrative that sounds cool but with few underlying facts. What is the obvious nod to the military? Stars? Srsly? If it was obviously military themed, shouldn't there be chevrons or eagles or oak leaves or bars or camo (for the full season)? Why didn't they go with a name tape that said "CAPTAIN"? Captain patches debuted the same year the military started paying the NFL to be patriotic... and they look like this: That their simplistic, yet striking faux-military rank patch motif doesn't resemble your hyporbolized, Affliction-meets-politician fever dream doesn't nullify the glaring correlation between sponsor and content... though the name plates, bars, and camo you mentioned do appear on coaches playing tax-funded dressup on the sidelines each November: I'm not pretending to have all the answers - I'm thinking out loud through these posts - but my theory seems to make the most sense so far. My TeePublic Shop My Instagram Art Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSU151 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 47 minutes ago, C-Squared said: Captain patches debuted the same year the military started paying the NFL to be patriotic... and they look like this: That their simplistic, yet striking faux-military motif doesn't resemble your Affliction-meets-politician fever dream doesn't nullify the glaring correlation between sponsor and content.. Correlation does not equal causation. And that patch still has no military connection. The non-five star version further proves it's a basic, non military patch. Nothing in the military looks like this. Wouldn't it be block or stenciled if it was obviously military? It'd be absolutely stupid to have a captain/general faux patch, even if it was part of your assumed-without-facts "wink-wink" conspiracy. 47 minutes ago, C-Squared said: though the name plates, bars, and camo you mentioned do appear on coaches playing tax-funded dressup on the sidelines each November: You mean the Salute to Service merchandise is military themed? No :censored:? Thanks for pointing out the military garb coincided with the military's advertising campaign. Maybe we should get you a Captain patch with "Obvious" underneath. Smart is believing half of what you hear. Genius is knowing which half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont care Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 37 minutes ago, WSU151 said: Correlation does not equal causation. And that patch still has no military connection. The non-five star version further proves it's a basic, non military patch. Nothing in the military looks like this. Wouldn't it be block or stenciled if it was obviously military? It'd be absolutely stupid to have a captain/general faux patch, even if it was part of your assumed-without-facts "wink-wink" conspiracy. You mean the Salute to Service merchandise is military themed? No :censored:? Thanks for pointing out the military garb coincided with the military's advertising campaign. Maybe we should get you a Captain patch with "Obvious" underneath. Also considering they paid the individual teams (not even half of them) and not the league this guys "theory" doesn't have a leg to stand on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-Squared Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 55 minutes ago, WSU151 said: Correlation does not equal causation. And that patch still has no military connection. It'd be abosolutely stupid to have a captain/general faux patch. Your delusional idea that you keep repeating is hilarious. One day it'll be true. One day, man. You mean the Salute-to-Service merchandise is military themed? No :censored:? You're on top of your game today. Thanks for pointing out that the military garb coincided with the military's advertising campaign. I bolded our common ground. Yes, it is stupid... and ugly... and, frankly, heavy-handed... though, in my opinion, the same can be said for this entire propaganda ad campaign. I included the Salute to Service gear as an aside to your hyperbole, which implied my theory is false because the captain patch isn't exploding with cartoonish American design cliches... the relevance (and irony) being that many of the cliches you sarcastically listed are actually present in the potentially adjacent campaign. Curb the emotion. I'm not mad atcha, brother. If you have a different theory on the patch, I am fully open to it. However... a patch littered with star regalia that gets more decorated the longer the player serves as a leader - no military influence whatsoever? And it coincidentally appeared right when the NFL was painted camo? I don't think you are giving my theory the credit it deserves. My TeePublic Shop My Instagram Art Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-Squared Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 14 minutes ago, dont care said: Also considering they paid the individual teams (not even half of them) and not the league this guys "theory" doesn't have a leg to stand on. http://deadspin.com/the-nfls-salute-to-service-is-horse :censored:-1464308797 The propaganda pendulum swings both ways. My TeePublic Shop My Instagram Art Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSU151 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 1 minute ago, C-Squared said: http://deadspin.com/the-nfls-salute-to-service-is-horse :censored:-1464308797 The NFL's dubious promise to military charities (via merchandise sales) is a different situation than the military paying teams for acknowledgement (which I think was the crux of don't care's post). http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/15611052/nfl-returning-723000-taxpayers-paid-military-tributes Smart is believing half of what you hear. Genius is knowing which half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont care Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 14 minutes ago, C-Squared said: http://deadspin.com/the-nfls-salute-to-service-is-horse :censored:-1464308797 The propaganda pendulum swings both ways. That has nothing to do with what I posted, the military paid 14 teams money to have personelle on the field, they never paid the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 If Under Armour can give UCLA stripes to UCLA, why can't Nike do the same for the Colts and Jets? The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont care Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Also the captains patches have been around since 2007, 5 years before the military spending deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H11K Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 40 minutes ago, Gothamite said: If Under Armour can give UCLA stripes to UCLA, why can't Nike do the same for the Colts and Jets? Because UA is making all the right moves right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_tattoos Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 6 hours ago, Gothamite said: If Under Armour can give UCLA stripes to UCLA, why can't Nike do the same for the Colts and Jets? Perhaps the Nike, the Jets and Colts just don't give a damn about that *shrugs* Hotter Than July > Thriller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCap Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Just now, 4_tattoos said: Perhaps the Nike, the Jets and Colts just don't give a damn about that *shrugs* I'm sure the teams are complacent in all of this. That being said? Nike can't shut up about their own brilliance. So not being able or willing to replicate one of the oldest and most wide-spread football design elements has to count against them. PotD 26/2/12 1/7/15 2020 BASS Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal Regular Season Champion 2021 BASS NFL Pick'em Regular Season Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 7 hours ago, Gothamite said: If Under Armour can give UCLA stripes to UCLA, why can't Nike do the same for the Colts and Jets? Is that photo taken from a game? That doesn't look like an on-field jersey. The sleeves look a little bit loose and tucked up under the shoulder pads like late 90s style. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WavePunter Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 7 hours ago, Gothamite said: If Under Armour can give UCLA stripes to UCLA, why can't Nike do the same for the Colts and Jets? Because Nike gonna Nike.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beast3 Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Do the Panthers have the same UCLA style stripe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSU151 Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 3 hours ago, beast3 said: Do the Panthers have the same UCLA style stripe? Not the same. Panthers have their own style. Smart is believing half of what you hear. Genius is knowing which half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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