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2016-17 NCAA Basketball Thread: This is March.

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18 minutes ago, goalieboy82 said:

i am with Boeheim on this

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18855645/syracuse-coach-jim-boeheim-want-acc-tournament-games-moved-back-greensboro

can careless about HB2 being part of why they move but i am not a fan of the ACC tournament being in Duke's or North Carolina's backyard every year (move it around would be nice).  

The ACC was going to Brooklyn long before HB2. Like 2 years before the bill was passed.

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2014/03/25/acc-basketball-tournament-barclays-center/6862583/

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3 hours ago, Seadragon76 said:

My idea is simple enough here...

 

Trim the tournament back to 64 teams and each conference gets two automatic bids. The regular season champion gets one and then the tournament champion gets the other. This way, teams like Belmont, Oakland, Monmouth and South Dakota all get in while keeping the door open for the upsets that can happen.

 

If the regular season champ wins the tournament, you give the second bid to the 2nd place team in the regular season.

There are 32 conferences. You would eliminate too many good teams by doing two per conference. 

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I don't know if it's me, but the ACC in Brooklyn just feels weird. Same for the Big Ten tournament in D.C. I get it, expansion has allowed these new markets in, but god... it feels so weird to see traditionally southern schools up in NYC or mid western schools in the nation's capital.

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2 hours ago, goalieboy82 said:

i am with Boeheim on this

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18855645/syracuse-coach-jim-boeheim-want-acc-tournament-games-moved-back-greensboro

can careless about HB2 being part of why they move but i am not a fan of the ACC tournament being in Duke's or North Carolina's backyard every year (move it around would be nice).  

The ACC Tournament moves around season to season.  It was in DC last year, I think.  It's been in Atlanta a few times.

 

Not sure why Boeheim's opinion matters....isn't he retiring next season?

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9 hours ago, OnWis97 said:

I really don't like the existence of conference tournaments.  They nullify the entire regular season, particularly in one-bid conferences.  We all know that these tourneys do not exist for the integrity of the conference race (in fact they exist despite their negative impact on that).  They exist for TV revenue.  Therefore, since the early games in those conference don't get on TV, don't play them.  Just put the top two or four teams in, which at least provides the true conference champion with less opportunity to stumble.  It also would make, at least for some teams, the regular season mean something and assure that nobody with a sub-.500 conference record gets to the Dance.  Maybe even use the football model; two divisions and a conference championship game.

 

I'd also play the tournament at the regular season champ's gym.  It's about TV money, right?  Once again, that makes the regular season mean something and provides the best team with that advantage (a nod to the integrity of the race).  I believe the MAAC tournament was just played in Sienna's building...they are the 4 seed and nearly won the tourney in front of their home crowd.

 

As extreme as this is...

...I like it.  They still get their game on TV and helps put the better teams in.

 

I'm a fan of a perennial one-bid league, my thoughts are as follows:

 

1. I like conference tournaments. I don't feel as if they "nullify the entire regular season" any more than the Big Dance nullifies the NCAA regular season, the NFL playoffs nullify the NFL regular season, etc. There's always some chance that the regular season champ will drop a game in the conference tourney - but that's the nature of playoffs. The current structure (regular season champ gets NIT bid if they lose in the conference tourney) works well for small conferences, in my opinion.

 

2. I've been a part of conference tournaments played at a predetermined site as well as at the regular season champion or "highest seed remaining" format. Both have their pros and cons, but as an alum, it's very nice to know that "the Big South Conference Tournament will be held March 2nd, 3rd, and 5th in Waffleton, North Carolina" and schedule accordingly. It's a pain to try to make travel arrangements last-minute if there's an upset and the game site changes. It also often results in lower attendance and a lackluster atmosphere if that happens, or if two "visiting" teams are playing in a "home" team's gym. The Big South is even one of the more geographically compact conferences (~6.5 hours maximum distance between members, most are within 4 hours or so), I can't imagine what die-hard fans of the Big Sky do.

 

Also, speaking of low-major conferences, hosting the tournament at the regular season champion sounds like a great idea until Charleston Southern, Longwood, or High Point win the regular season and you're stuck hosting your conference tourney at a place that seats 881, 1807, or 1750, respectively.

 

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This came up a few years ago, Charleston Southern nearly hosted a game and it wasn't even a guarantee that ESPN could get in the place and have the room to set up their equipment and film. When Coastal Carolina hosted Winthrop in the 999-seat Kimbel Arena in the 2010 Big South final, I had one of 25 tickets allotted to the visiting team's fans. Winthrop's team managers had to hide in the locker room and sneak out later to watch the game.

 

Point is, there's no perfect way to do it.

 

Have it at a predetermined neutral site or regular season champ's gym? Allow fans to schedule in advance, but run the chance of Winthrop and UNC-Asheville playing at Campbell (3 hours away from Winthrop, 4 hours away from UNCA) for the championship. 

Have it at the highest remaining seed? Possibility of a better atmosphere, but possibility of logistical issues (for more than just fans) as well.

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10 hours ago, sc49erfan15 said:

 It's a pain to try to make travel arrangements last-minute if there's an upset and the game site changes. It also often results in lower attendance and a lackluster atmosphere if that happens, or if two "visiting" teams are playing in a "home" team's gym. The Big South is even one of the more geographically compact conferences (~6.5 hours maximum distance between members, most are within 4 hours or so), I can't imagine what die-hard fans of the Big Sky do.

 

That's one advantage the Patriot League has.  It is just about as compact as the Big South.  Washington (American U.) to Boston (BU) is the longest trip in the conference and is about 7 hours. The games are scheduled Tuesday (8-9 and 7-10), Thursday, Sunday and the following Wednesday, so you have at least 3 days' notice for every game since the site of the 1 vs. 8-9 and 2 vs. 7-10 games are known as soon as the regular season is over.  

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16 hours ago, goalieboy82 said:

i am with Boeheim on this

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18855645/syracuse-coach-jim-boeheim-want-acc-tournament-games-moved-back-greensboro

can careless about HB2 being part of why they move but i am not a fan of the ACC tournament being in Duke's or North Carolina's backyard every year (move it around would be nice).  

The tournament does move about quite frequently, now it's been from Brooklyn to Washington DC to Atlanta to Tampa all within the last 10 years. Greensboro, although it's not in the most glamorous of location, works well for the league because there is no regular team that plays there except for UNCG, so they can pretty much do whatever they want for 2 weeks with both the men's and women's tournaments. It's also centralized, with obviously all the NC schools being able to make a quick trip, but also teams like Virginia Tech and Clemson not terribly far away.

 

And Boeheim needs to sit down somewhere. It's not Greensboro's fault he can't win a ACC tournament game.

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Northern Kentucky makes the tournament on their first year of eligibility. Great story. 

 

Watch out for this program to be the next Mid-Major to keep an eye on in the coming years. They've got a very impressive gym too.

 

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the Cincinnati Bearcats are playing here next season while their arena is being renovated. 

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5 hours ago, McCarthy said:

Northern Kentucky makes the tournament on their first year of eligibility. Great story. 

 

Watch out for this program to be the next Mid-Major to keep an eye on in the coming years. They've got a very impressive gym too.

 

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the Cincinnati Bearcats are playing here next season while their arena is being renovated. 

That is a nice barn. 

 

Kansas falls to TCU is the Big 12 quarters. 

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I see Kansas is playing to march expectations

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Saturday is the biggest day of Championship Week as 14 bids are up for grabs.

 

ACC: Duke vs. Notre Dame (Whose stock will rise after this one?)

America East: Albany at Vermont (Can the Great Danes stop the buzz saw that is Vermont?)

Big East: Creighton vs. Villanova (Can the Wildcats secure a #1 seed with a win here?)

Big 12: Iowa State vs. West Virginia (Cyclones gun for third tournament title in four years)

Big Sky: Weber State vs North Dakota (Old school power faces regular season champion)

Big West: UC Davis vs. UC Irvine (Battle of the best in Anaheim)

C-USA: Marshall vs. Middle Tennessee (Blue Raiders look for a repeat of last season.. except they're much, much better this year)

MAC: Kent State vs. Akron (Flashes have taken down 3 seed and 2 seed. Can they take down the top seed?)

MEAC: Norfolk State vs. North Carolina Central (Top two teams in the traditionally weak conference square off at Spartans' turf)

Mountain West: Colorado State vs. Nevada (The top two in the rugged Mountain West meet)

Pac-12: Arizona vs. Oregon (Rubber match for all the marbles in Vegas)

Southland: Texas A&M-Corpus Christi vs. New Orleans (Privateers are a win away from their first trip since 1996)

SWAC: Alcorn State vs. Texas Southern (Tigers are the class of the conference AND have the bid clinched already)

WAC: New Mexico State vs. Cal State Bakersfield (Can the Roadrunners recover from the 4OT epic and slay the rejuvenated bully?)

 

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On 3/2/2017 at 7:49 PM, HedleyLamarr said:

Handicapping the state's schools and their chances of reaching the tournament:

 

Georgia - What they have going for them is a strong schedule and will finish no worse than .500 in conference play.  The negatives are that they haven't really beaten an opponent of real quality (but a lot of close losses!), their co-best player is likely done for the year with a knee injury, and the SEC isn't a good basketball league.  To have a real chance, they need to win at Arkansas and probably make it to Saturday in the conference tournament and have their Saturday game be close (if not win).  The ESPN bracket guy had UGA in his "First Four Out" this week, so they're closer than I thought they should be.  I once saw a Georgia team that had a record of like 16-14 get an at-large berth, so weirder things have happened.

 

Georgia Tech - Probably the state's overall best chance for landing a tournament bid.  They've beaten some good, highly-ranked teams in the ACC (North Carolina, Florida State, Notre Dame) and will finish either 8-10 or .500 in conference play in the country's best conference.  But they've also laid some eggs, too.  They probably need to beat Syracuse this weekend, then win a game or two in the conference tournament.

 

GA State/GA Southern - In the one-bid Fun Belt, these two have been in the top four of the conference all season.  State probably has the better chance, but either will have to win the conference tournament.  Definitely the best chance for any state school to win their conference championship.

 

Mercer/Kennesaw State/Savannah State - Obviously win the tournament and they're in, and haven't heard much of anything of these teams, so they're longshots.

Updating this:

 

Mercer/Kennesaw State/Savannah State - All lost, all done.

 

Georgia Southern - Lost to Troy yesterday.  They gone.

 

Georgia State - When UT Arlington lost earlier today, GSU became the highest-seeded team left in the Fun Belt, had a 15 point lead.  They lost to Troy.  Last state school with chance to earn automatic bid. Maybe gets one of those CIT or whatever tournament bids, however those work out.

 

Georgia Tech - Very borderline coming into the ACC tourney, and they came out and lost to the 14-seed Pitt Panthers.  Likely NIT-bound.

 

Georgia - Considered the 5th-team out entering today.  Lost to Kentucky yesterday, ending their tournament run.  Will have to hope a lot of bubble teams crap the bed.  Vanderbilt likely took the SEC's 5th and final bid by playing well down the stretch and beating Florida twice.  Highly doubtful they get in.

 

The state has so much basketball talent.  I just don't know why these schools don't have the balls to hire one of these top-flight coaches.  (Well, I know why Tech couldn't, but they'll have ACC Network money to help out soon.)  There shouldn't be any reason why Georgia can't be on level terms with the likes of Florida as far as regularly making the tournament.  Hell, South Carolina when from hot-garbage to tourney-bound in short time.

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UC Davis punches their ticket for the first time. First team ever from the Sacramento area to do so.

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Not gonna lie, even I felt this way. 

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UC Davis seems like it would be just about the most boring school in the country to go to (very good school, though), and I don't think I know a single person who went there and actually enjoyed it. 

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Duke

FSU

Oregon

UCLA

 

FSU 81 - Oregon 69.

 

I'll check back next week to cross them all off.:flagcanada:

 

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On 3/9/2017 at 0:22 PM, McCarthy said:

Northern Kentucky makes the tournament on their first year of eligibility. Great story. 

 

Watch out for this program to be the next Mid-Major to keep an eye on in the coming years. They've got a very impressive gym too.

 

QbauBYsBwaYyaC.jpg

 

the Cincinnati Bearcats are playing here next season while their arena is being renovated. 

That is a nice barn. 

 

Kansas falls to TCU is the Big 12 quarters.

The worst thing about the arena is that the only thing that fills it up seems to be high school basketball (which makes no sense).

 

But it might be the best in the area - until 5/3 Arena gets renovated.

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