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dfwabel    993
11 minutes ago, Gothamite said:

Rumor is that the St Louis ownership group is falling apart in the wake of Proposition 2's failure. 

 

At some point, the city should probably stop letting Dave Peacock run these things; that's two significant projects that have crashed and burned on his watch, and this one in particular should have been an absolute slam-dunk. 

 

The league wanted it, the city wanted it, they had the land and their ownership group was led by an honest-to-goodness billionaire.   How do you screw that up?

High voter turnout. The 300,000 city residents, 30% of which live below the federal poverty level, didn't want to divert the new tax revenues to these guys:

http://m.riverfronttimes.com/newsblog/2017/03/30/st-louis-stadium-ownership-group-has-big-money-and-no-city-residency

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Gothamite    5,894
7 minutes ago, dfwabel said:

High voter turnout. The 300,000 city residents, 30% of which live below the federal poverty level, didn't want to divert the new tax revenues to these guys:

http://m.riverfronttimes.com/newsblog/2017/03/30/st-louis-stadium-ownership-group-has-big-money-and-no-city-residency

 

Oh, I didn't mean how do you screw up the vote.  That absolutely should have failed, and it's kind of reprehensible that they even asked in the first place, although it's better than the last time when the city government actively sued to prevent a public vote.

 

I meant, how do you screw up a massive major league sport expansion bid/stadium project over such a relatively small amount of money?   When you have a billionaire leading the ownership group?  Somebody must have convinced him that the free city money was a sure thing, if he's taking his ball and going home now at the first bump in the road. 

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AstroBull21    551
35 minutes ago, BlackBolt3 said:

So, if St. Louis is falling apart, Indy is pretty much a lock, right? We knew coming into this the league was looking to grow in the Midwest, and I think those two were the only cities who bid.

Maybe?  Didn't Detroit bid as well?

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Gothamite    5,894

Yes, Detroit did. And they had twelve bids total - nobody is going to be a lock on regionalism alone, even if the league would kind of like to be in a place.

 

Far from a lock, Indy's bid isn't considered very serious for this round of expansion.  They don't have a stadium deal, or even a plan, which is a prerequisite.  It appears that their bid is more about keeping themselves in the public conversation than any possibility they could actually be chosen. 

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crashcarson15    978

Indy’s bid is odd, because I really don’t think ownership has the money, and the club doesn’t have a real stadium plan outside of “we’ll contribute some* money” to it.

 

*Some = $10 million

 

I’m pretty sure MLS wanted an Indy bid more than Indy wants MLS right now. Obviously, that could change with the right investor down the road, but the finances just don’t seem to be there — in many different ways — right now in Indianapolis.

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Still MIGHTY    1,863

Drogba to the USL?

 

Heh, I mean, whatever man. You wanna keep cashing checks playing, keep cashing checks playing.

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Bucfan56    3,692
7 minutes ago, Still MIGHTY said:

Drogba to the USL?

 

Heh, I mean, whatever man. You wanna keep cashing checks playing, keep cashing checks playing.

 

WHAT. 

 

That's kinda huge for the USL. And dammit, we don't have a home match vs PRFC till September. 

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dfwabel    993
 

Yes, Detroit did. And they had twelve bids total - nobody is going to be a lock on regionalism alone, even if the league would kind of like to be in a place.

 

Far from a lock, Indy's bid isn't considered very serious for this round of expansion.  They don't have a stadium deal, or even a plan, which is a prerequisite.  It appears that their bid is more about keeping themselves in the public conversation than any possibility they could actually be chosen. 

Exactly.

There were 12 cities with proposals. Since St. Louis seems to be out, there are 11 left, nearly all of which have fleas. If not ownership pockets, it is a SSS pln.

 

San Antonio
Sacramento
Indianapolis
Nashville
Cincinnati
Charlotte
Detroit
Phoenix
Raleigh/Durham
St. Petersburg
San Diego

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Gothamite    5,894
Just now, dfwabel said:

Exactly.

There were 12 cities with proposals. Since St. Louis seems to be out, there are 11 left, nearly all of which have fleas. If not ownership pockets, it is a SSS pln.

 

San Antonio
Sacramento
Indianapolis
Nashville
Cincinnati
Charlotte
Detroit
Phoenix
Raleigh/Durham
St. Petersburg
San Diego

 

Is that a random order?  Indianapolis is absurdly high, San Diego way too low. 

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dfwabel    993

It's the order I recalled them. Hope that's OK with you.

 

Even if one used "betting odds", it doesn't matter much since STL crumbled quickly.

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Magic Dynasty    437

"We will GA-THER in the SUN

And we will SING 'till KING-DOM COME

And we won't STOP for ANY-ONE

Because OR-LAND-O CITY WON!"

 

Orlando says undefeated at home (4-0-0) with a 2-1 win over LA. The Galaxy's keeper layer down a good 6 minutes, looked up, noticed they were warming up bis replacement, and jumped right back up like nothing happened. Pathetic.

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Needschat    125

I believe St Louis dropped to the bottom of the list, while Phoenix Rising rose.  

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Red Wolf    662
21 hours ago, Magic Dynasty said:

"We will GA-THER in the SUN

And we will SING 'till KING-DOM COME

And we won't STOP for ANY-ONE

Because OR-LAND-O CITY WON!"

 

Orlando says undefeated at home (4-0-0) with a 2-1 win over LA. The Galaxy's keeper layer down a good 6 minutes, looked up, noticed they were warming up bis replacement, and jumped right back up like nothing happened. Pathetic.

Welcome to soccer. It's annoying, but I'm pretty much numb to it by now. 

 

Unbeatens Sporting KC and FC Dallas this coming Saturday. Could be fun. 

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DG_Now    3,884

Is that Orlando City song sung to Seasons in the Sun? If so that's pretty cool.

 

I didn't know the game would be on national Fox yesterday. I only saw the last minute or so but everything looked awesome on TV, including the new Orlando stadium. I wouldn't have picked that city for making MLS work but it's really cool that it is.

 

Unrelated, Seattle can't score this year and it's distressing.

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Gothamite    5,894
On 4/14/2017 at 10:58 PM, dfwabel said:

It's the order I recalled them. Hope that's OK with you.

 

Even if one used "betting odds", it doesn't matter much since STL crumbled quickly.

 

No worries, was just wondering if it reflected something specific in your thinking. 

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Viper    116

The Loons are looking less and less like MLS laughingstocks every week. With Minnesota's 1-0 home win vs. (Tim Howard-less) Colorado they have achieved:

  • Their first clean sheet in MLS (also their first clean first half)
  • Three straight halves (including the second half last week at Houston Dynamo) without conceding a goal, after hemorrhaging goals their first few games
  • Their first MLS point streak (draw last week in Houston, win today)

Miguel Ibarra's goal (and the play that set it up) was a sight to see.

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