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College Football Uniforms - 2017 Season

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4 hours ago, WSU151 said:

 

Telling us to not discuss college football's traditional aesthetics seems like a fool's errand on this board.  Maybe you should rethink your strategy.  Some of us favor nostalgic (or mostly unchanged) looks over chrome helmets with team names running up the side of anthracite pants, and that will probably never change. 

 

Clemson vs. Auburn will always look good to me. But since you're an expert on uniform matchups, what should Clemson have worn?  What should Auburn have worn?

That is not even remotely what I'm saying, what? I personally prefer traditional looks myself, but not every traditional look is good, and not every modern look is bad. There is a literal dichotomy where all modern aesthetics are bad, and all traditional aesthetics are good. You can't seriously say, as a form of any kind of art (and yes, like it or not, football uniform design is a form of art), that it's that simple. At that point you're basically that one 15 year old on reddit who says all modern music is trash and that queen and the who are the greatest bands ever. I mean seriously

 

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Some of us favor nostalgic (or mostly unchanged) looks over chrome helmets with team names running up the side of anthracite pants

That is your entire idea of what modern style uniforms are. Never mind that Boise just rocked an amazing storm trooper look last weekend (which if you disagree with that, I'll be happy to discuss why), all modern uniforms are anthracite chrome swag nike garbage. That is the problem right there. When a board has decided to dichotomize it's opinions, that is how destructive circlejerks start, which we basically have, and have had for a while.

 

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But since you're an expert on uniform matchups, what should Clemson have worn?  What should Auburn have worn?

There we go, that's something. Honestly clemson has one of my favorite uniforms, if not my all time favorite uniforms in college football. That said, their pants need a purple outline stripe. It just looks really weird when their helmet has purple outlines, and their jerseys have purple outlines, but their pants have none. Also I think this game going Orange, Purple, Orange would've been better, just so they contrast with Auburn's aways better. Which, speaking of, holy hell where do I begin. Triple stripe big logon on the helmet, Triple shoulder stripe AND tv numbers, giant mismatching pants stripe, just jesus christ there is WAY too much going on. Their homes work because the dark blue soaks up a lot of that action, but their aways are a mess. I think just have the AU logo on the hip and get rid of the pants stripe, would enormously improve their whole set. It doesn't math their other stripes anyway, and is just an eyesore overall, not needed. Though really, their colors are just too similar for it to be a great matchup, not much to save honestly.

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WavePunter    676

I agree that there isn't much that could improve the Clemson/Auburn game aesthetically.. It was basically just an orange and white game.. Both teams wore their best looks given the situation, it's just not a great looking matchup.. Clemson/ South Carolina  or Auburn/Alabama are better visual matchups due to the added garnet/crimson (especially SC home vs Clemson or Bama away vs Auburn).. It's ok to have good looking matchups that aren't (and can't be) great.. Both teams looked great and the matchup looked good, but nowhere near "best of the weekend" status

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BlackBolt3    1,125
2 hours ago, VikingsNotMinnesota said:

That said, their pants need a purple outline stripe. It just looks really weird when their helmet has purple outlines, and their jerseys have purple outlines, but their pants have none. Also I think this game going Orange, Purple, Orange would've been better, just so they contrast with Auburn's aways better.

Yeah, I've been thinking that a thin purple stripe to go outside of the orange is the way to go. Not enough to stick out, but enough to notice it's there.

 

Also, some of y'all have been asking for it, but that O/P/O combo is not going to happen any time soon. The uniform combination seem to be pretty ingrained at this point: all orange, all white, all purple, orange over white, and white over orange. The mixing and matching seems to remind people around here of the Bowden coaching days, which compared to now, are the dark ages.

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oddball    162

The whole "modern" vs "classic" design. First of all to the poster who said, "Can we stop with the "I nominate [random traditional matchup] as uni matchup of the week, so clean!"?" Um, no. If you don't like it, walk away. As far as the argument goes, I'm can only think of Hawaii, the current San Diego State, and Oregon with the wings as good uniform designs of the modern style. Boise State? Has potential, but falls short in so many areas. Helmet sides not matching, over-sized logo on helmet, stripes on arms, not on pants, gradient numbers all kill what could be a solid look.

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henburg    80
23 hours ago, VikingsNotMinnesota said:

You can't just give every classic match-up an automatic thumbs up, you have to do it case by case. There's an awful trend on this board where any classic matchup is automatically praised, and every modern match-up is automatically bad. That's not using your brain at all, that's deciding whether or not you like something before you have even attempted to analyze it, and that's really toxic to a community that wants to discuss uniforms. It's very frustrating trying to have debate/conversation as to why I or someone else thinks a uniform is good/bad, and I get met with non responses and statements like "no it's a traditional uniform, it's good, shut up". It would be really nice if I could say "I don't like this matchup and here's why", and get "i disagree and here's why", rather than "no, I'm a grey haired 29 year old who likes what i likes, don't break the circlejerk, raaaaaa".

 

23 hours ago, oldschoolvikings said:

 

No one has ever said that here.  Ever.

 

This is obviously an oversimplification, but it's still definitely a sentiment that dominates this and many other threads. I'm not saying people have to change their sensibilities, but it would be nice if opinions that went against the norm for CCSLC weren't immediately belittled by more tenured posters. I mean, we're surely better than this right? 

 

On 9/10/2017 at 5:08 PM, vicfurth said:

 

Uuuuuuuum you do know that's two schools with orange as a main color right? 

 

I mean, we could spend time talking about how awful Arizona looked. Or Iowa State. But they're modern and trendy so automatically better than the old stuff. 

 

I feel enlightened. 

 

On 9/10/2017 at 8:42 PM, WSU151 said:

 

Nope.

 

Some of us gray haireds like the classic looks, mainly because college football was invented way before 2005.

 

Both of these posts make VikingsNotMinnesota's point for him. 

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vicfurth    370
1 hour ago, henburg said:

 

 

This is obviously an oversimplification, but it's still definitely a sentiment that dominates this and many other threads. I'm not saying people have to change their sensibilities, but it would be nice if opinions that went against the norm for CCSLC weren't immediately belittled by more tenured posters. I mean, we're surely better than this right? 

 

 

 

Both of these posts make VikingsNotMinnesota's point for him. 

 

I can see your point. Personally, I just want stuff to look good; the year the idea was created notwithstanding. The two specific ones I called out were these, though:

 

COLLEGE FOOTBALL: SEP 09 Houston at Arizona : News Photo Iowa v Iowa State : News Photo

 

One is straight-up modern, the other one has more old-school elements (i.e. shoulder loops and gray facemask). For me, though, the color balance is off. Arizona has multiple shades of red. An aforementioned "amazing" Boise state look has an okay jersey/pants with a unbalanced helmet that I really don't like. But then you have other uniforms that are modern and look really good.

 

Florida v Michigan : News Photo 2.jpg

 

Again, it's about balance, not modern vs old

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vicfurth    370

Another example is how proper coloring makes all the difference:

 

COLLEGE FOOTBALL: AUG 31 New Mexico State at Arizona State : News Photo

 

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Same uniform but coloring make a lot of difference. 

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MJWalker45    985
11 hours ago, vicfurth said:

Another example is how proper coloring makes all the difference:

 

COLLEGE FOOTBALL: AUG 31 New Mexico State at Arizona State : News Photo

 

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Same uniform but coloring make a lot of difference. 

The helmets make a difference too. I'm so sick of asymmetric helmets. One of worst belongs to Virginia because either the logos or the numbers would be good on their own but are horrible in tandem. 

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nuordr    476
44 minutes ago, MJWalker45 said:

The helmets make a difference too. I'm so sick of asymmetric helmets. One of worst belongs to Virginia because either the logos or the numbers would be good on their own but are horrible in tandem. 

I would normally agree with you, but as I was watching the Broncos last night, I was thinking their color rush helmet would look great as a full-time helmet with the "D" on one side and "Bronco" on the other. That way you satisfy all fans from the old & new school. 

 

 

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MJWalker45    985
1 minute ago, nuordr said:

I would normally agree with you, but as I was watching the Broncos last night, I was thinking their color rush helmet would look great as a full-time helmet with the "D" on one side and "Bronco" on the other. That way you satisfy all fans from the old & new school. 

 

 

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That'd be even worse. Pick one logo and go with it. 

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Webfooter    271

From what I've gathered, Air Force will be using the APLS helmets multiple times throughout the season, with them using a single logo/bumper design for each of the games they wear them in.

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djam2410    225

The Cal set is growing on me more and more every time i see it . The only real problem i see is maybe making the yellow on the sleeves more pronounced on the home jersey

 

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Ice_Cap    7,595
17 hours ago, henburg said:

This is obviously an oversimplification, but it's still definitely a sentiment that dominates this and many other threads. I'm not saying people have to change their sensibilities, but it would be nice if opinions that went against the norm for CCSLC weren't immediately belittled by more tenured posters. I mean, we're surely better than this right? 

The problem is I haven't seen much actual belittling. It seems to me like people who like what is admittedly "against the norm" take anything short of fawning over their "unique" opinions as "belittling."

 

I don't think anyone here is adverse to discussion and an exchange of ideas. The notion that it's just the traditionalist side of things that shoot down any attempt at discussion/oversimplify the argument to a strawman is false. VikingsNotMinnesota's own recent posts prove that the "modern" fans are just as capable of over-simplifying and belittling the opinions of those they don't agree with as any "traditional" fan.

 

In short? If you want productive discussion? Show you're (a general "you") are willing to engage in it.

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3 minutes ago, Ice_Cap said:

The problem is I haven't seen much actual belittling. It seems to me like people who like what is admittedly "against the norm" take anything short of fawning over their "unique" opinions as "belittling."

 

I don't think anyone here is adverse to discussion and an exchange of ideas. The notion that it's just the traditionalist side of things that shoot down any attempt at discussion/oversimplify the argument to a strawman is false. VikingsNotMinnesota's own recent posts prove that the "modern" fans are just as capable of over-simplifying and belittling the opinions of those they don't agree with as any "traditional" fan.

 

In short? If you want productive discussion? Show you're (a general "you") are willing to engage in it.

I literally admitted that I'm a traditionalist, but alright I'll take your word on it. My experience has not led to believe that discussion and critique of traditional uniforms is possible, but I'll give it more of a whirl, we'll see.

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radchad    141
1 hour ago, djam2410 said:

The Cal set is growing on me more and more every time i see it . The only real problem i see is maybe making the yellow on the sleeves more pronounced on the home jersey

 

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The only thing I didn't like was that a bunch of players wore gold socks, which looked kind of ridiculous with the gold pants
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Cardsblues02    86
37 minutes ago, radchad said:

 

The only thing I didn't like was that a bunch of players wore gold socks, which looked kind of ridiculous with the gold pants
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Those Weber State uniforms are awesome. One of the better uniforms Adidas does mainly because you cant see the stupid shockweb pattern. The helmet is great too.

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