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These were perfect. Numbers on the helmet would be cool. I wonder how white helmets would look. 

 

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8 hours ago, BJ Sands said:

I don't mean to Jax-jack this thread, but the Jags are very close to a solid modern set. Just have to fix the stupid helmet.

 

I will never understand those who have convinced themselves of this sentiment regarding our uni. It is trash from head to toe (not just the head, though especially the head). (Oh, I'm Jax-jacking the crud out of this thread now.)

 

The all-black jersey/pants/socks combo looks like edgy garbage that fails to evoke a lick of the badassery that the team intends to show through it. It is just an abysmal idea to adopt all-black as a full time look when it should only be reserved for occasional alt looks (such as the Ravens current alt, or the Jags' very handsome old black alts).

 

The use of our beloved teal is shockingly horrendous, relegated to gaudy blocks of color throughout the home uni (primarily the contrast-sleeves and pants rectangles(?)). If the use of teal appears to be hastily applied, that is because IT IS (at least in my belief).

 

TIN FOIL HAT TIME: The org made it clear from the beginning of their rebrand that teal was going to majorly take a backseat to Shad Khan's preferred scheme of black and gold. However, this obviously resulted in massive opposition from fans who know how deeply the color is ingrained in the franchise and the town. I believe that this left the team with no choice but to hastily throw some extra teal into the mix. The result? Crappy fill-by-numbers color-blocking. The proof? Check these often overlooked renderings from an old Nike press video regarding the uniform. The uni was going to be even MORE BLACK.

 

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The shiny sleeve inserts (claw marks???) are not brought up enough in conversations of how trash this uniform is, but they are indeed trash. The gold nonsense around the neck is trash. The way that there is no consistency across any of the number/NOB outlines is trash. The way that they designed a perfect sleeve logo yet put a slightly modified version of it on the chest for "we-love-the-goddamn-military" reasons, leaving the sleeves desperately bare, is trash. The way that they even designed a teal jersey only to never use it (regardless of the fact that it looks like trash) is trash. It goes without saying that the helmet is super duper trash (but I'm saying it anyway because it is, indeed, a part of this trash mess like everything else).

 

Stupid helmet or not, the whole uniform is haphazardly-thrown-together trash. Bring these back yesterday. I rest my case.

 

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27 minutes ago, Gupti said:

 

I will never understand those who have convinced themselves of this sentiment regarding our uni. It is trash from head to toe (not just the head, though especially the head). (Oh, I'm Jax-jacking the crud out of this thread now.)

 

The all-black jersey/pants/socks combo looks like edgy garbage that fails to evoke a lick of the badassery that the team intends to show through it. It is just an abysmal idea to adopt all-black as a full time look when it should only be reserved for occasional alt looks (such as the Ravens current alt, or the Jags' very handsome old black alts).

 

The use of our beloved teal is shockingly horrendous, relegated to gaudy blocks of color throughout the home uni (primarily the contrast-sleeves and pants rectangles(?)). If the use of teal appears to be hastily applied, that is because IT IS (at least in my belief).

 

TIN FOIL HAT TIME: The org made it clear from the beginning of their rebrand that teal was going to majorly take a backseat to Shad Khan's preferred scheme of black and gold. However, this obviously resulted in massive opposition from fans who know how deeply the color is ingrained in the franchise and the town. I believe that this left the team with no choice but to hastily throw some extra teal into the mix. The result? Crappy fill-by-numbers color-blocking. The proof? Check these often overlooked renderings from an old Nike press video regarding the uniform. The uni was going to be even MORE BLACK.

 

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The shiny sleeve inserts (claw marks???) are not brought up enough in conversations of how trash this uniform is, but they are indeed trash. The gold nonsense around the neck is trash. The way that there is no consistency across any of the number/NOB outlines is trash. The way that they designed a perfect sleeve logo yet put a slightly modified version of it on the chest for "we-love-the-goddamn-military" reasons, leaving the sleeves desperately bare, is trash. The way that they even designed a teal jersey only to never use it (regardless of the fact that it looks like trash) is trash. It goes without saying that the helmet is super duper trash (but I'm saying it anyway because it is, indeed, a part of this trash mess like everything else).

 

Stupid helmet or not, the whole uniform is haphazardly-thrown-together trash. Bring these back yesterday. I rest my case.

 

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59 minutes ago, Gupti said:

 

I will never understand those who have convinced themselves of this sentiment regarding our uni. It is trash from head to toe (not just the head, though especially the head). (Oh, I'm Jax-jacking the crud out of this thread now.)

 

The all-black jersey/pants/socks combo looks like edgy garbage that fails to evoke a lick of the badassery that the team intends to show through it. It is just an abysmal idea to adopt all-black as a full time look when it should only be reserved for occasional alt looks (such as the Ravens current alt, or the Jags' very handsome old black alts).

 

The use of our beloved teal is shockingly horrendous, relegated to gaudy blocks of color throughout the home uni (primarily the contrast-sleeves and pants rectangles(?)). If the use of teal appears to be hastily applied, that is because IT IS (at least in my belief).

 

TIN FOIL HAT TIME: The org made it clear from the beginning of their rebrand that teal was going to majorly take a backseat to Shad Khan's preferred scheme of black and gold. However, this obviously resulted in massive opposition from fans who know how deeply the color is ingrained in the franchise and the town. I believe that this left the team with no choice but to hastily throw some extra teal into the mix. The result? Crappy fill-by-numbers color-blocking. The proof? Check these often overlooked renderings from an old Nike press video regarding the uniform. The uni was going to be even MORE BLACK.

 

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The shiny sleeve inserts (claw marks???) are not brought up enough in conversations of how trash this uniform is, but they are indeed trash. The gold nonsense around the neck is trash. The way that there is no consistency across any of the number/NOB outlines is trash. The way that they designed a perfect sleeve logo yet put a slightly modified version of it on the chest for "we-love-the-goddamn-military" reasons, leaving the sleeves desperately bare, is trash. The way that they even designed a teal jersey only to never use it (regardless of the fact that it looks like trash) is trash. It goes without saying that the helmet is super duper trash (but I'm saying it anyway because it is, indeed, a part of this trash mess like everything else).

 

Stupid helmet or not, the whole uniform is haphazardly-thrown-together trash. Bring these back yesterday. I rest my case.

 

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First of all, whoa. That's a hell of a post. I love your continued use of "trash" and I'm not being sarcastic. I need to adopt that. 

 

Second, I'm evaluating the Jags' set on what it is. Would I like it if teal were the main color? Yes. Would I like it if their main combo wasn't black monochrome? Yes. But I still think that it looks decent for what it is. Granted, I don't have the sentimental attachment to the team I'm guessing you do. 

 

Third, it could be YEARS before there's any actual news on this thread, so Jax-jacking is probably fine. :)

 

(OMG, my life has changed so much over the last three years. How much will it change by the time these new uniforms are actually unveiled? And this thread will BE THERE FOR ALL OF IT!!!)

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23 minutes ago, BJ Sands said:

First of all, whoa. That's a hell of a post. I love your continued use of "trash" and I'm not being sarcastic. I need to adopt that. 

 

Second, I'm evaluating the Jags' set on what it is. Would I like it if teal were the main color? Yes. Would I like it if their main combo wasn't black monochrome? Yes. But I still think that it looks decent for what it is. Granted, I don't have the sentimental attachment to the team I'm guessing you do. 

 

Third, it could be YEARS before there's any actual news on this thread, so Jax-jacking is probably fine. :)

 

(OMG, my life has changed so much over the last three years. How much will it change by the time these new uniforms are actually unveiled? And this thread will BE THERE FOR ALL OF IT!!!)

 

As a Jags fan who wants to continue this Jax-Jacking... the Jags black jersey is ugly. The teal sleeves don't work. That said, I LOVE their away jerseys, though. The black sleeves and teal numbers work well on a white jersey. The pants stripe thingy I'm not a fan of. It needs to be full length. The helmet is the worst in the NFL (even though I still have a mini-helmet version, whoops). 

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19 minutes ago, BJ Sands said:

First of all, whoa. That's a hell of a post. I love your continued use of "trash" and I'm not being sarcastic. I need to adopt that. 

 

Second, I'm evaluating the Jags' set on what it is. Would I like it if teal were the main color? Yes. Would I like it if their main combo wasn't black monochrome? Yes. But I still think that it looks decent for what it is. Granted, I don't have the sentimental attachment to the team I'm guessing you do. 

 

Third, it could be YEARS before there's any actual news on this thread, so Jax-jacking is probably fine. :)

 

(OMG, my life has changed so much over the last three years. How much will it change by the time these new uniforms are actually unveiled? And this thread will BE THERE FOR ALL OF IT!!!)

 

This is a sound retort and I appreciate it. Yes, I am indeed very sentimental about the this team's aesthetic history. The greatest of times for this franchise were seen in that original uniform, which is my favorite look of all time.

 

Upsetting Elway's Broncos in the '96 playoffs happened in that uniform. 62-7 happened in that uniform. Beating Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh twice in one season happened in that uniform (a rather odd feat that has never been replicated in league history). Fred Taylor reached 10,000 career rushing yards in that uniform.

 

Every change to it since has been a step taken away from being regarded as a serious NFL franchise. The current uniform was coached to the worst all time record by a coach who was allowed to see a tenure of 50 career NFL games. The current uniform has thrown interceptions that ricocheted off of its players feet in consecutive weeks. The current uniform has insulted fans multiple times for not having faith in the team's futile process. The current uniform has allowed itself to be morphed into a walking tribute to baby diaper poop for one week out of the year. Let's just say that the team is hard to look at these days for a fan.

 

On a separate note, I think I remember that the thread for the 2015 Browns makeover started a little more than a year before the fact, and that felt like THAT had lasted forever. Some of the biggest decisions of my life are going to have to happen within the next three years. I may be dead in three years, for all I know. This thread is going to be a wild ride from start to finish.

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10 hours ago, -Akronite- said:

Go back to what you had. Maybe use orange pants as an alternate. Forget brown pants forever. Helmet untouched.

 

And I like the <B> but I'd prefer a <C>, just like my issue with the Bengals logo.

 

We kept the name and the colors and the uniforms for a reason. If/when the Browns stop sucking, they should be wearing the stripes that Jim Brown wore.

I'm cool with it being a "C" like the Indians and Cavs logos, but if it's a B that brings up (even though it is very unlikely) hope that the Bengals will go back to this. 

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3 hours ago, Gupti said:

62-7 happened in that uniform.

 

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16 minutes ago, Dolphins Dynasty said:

 

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Is is it any surprise that I'd like to see Phins return to their unis from that era as well?😏

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A mockup of the white helmet and old "B" logo (tweaked a bit)

 

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On 3/27/2017 at 3:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said:

You're up, dumbasses...

 

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Would anyone be opposed to something like this?

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5 hours ago, dmhtfld said:

Would anyone be opposed to something like this?

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Yes.

 

Font needs to go.  Shoulder caps should go.  The angled stripe on the caps should go.

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I like the current version of brown more so than the last version, which looked almost black.  Either orange is fine.  Most people hit the nail on the head.  Tweak what they have and it'd work fine.  Smaller "CLEVELAND" across the front.  Full pants stripes.  White numbers on the brown jersey.  And, while it has always bothered me that the Browns helmet is logo-less, you definitely know it's Cleveland.

 

Maybe they could put take Chief Wahoo from the Indians and put him on the helmet......kidding, just kidding.

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If they change the helmet they are asking for real flak. It's the last logo-less helmet in the NFL. I love the clean look personally, as most logos end up being partly obstructed by a strap.

 

There are obvious tweaks that could fix the current set that have been mentioned. But the old set didn't need fixed, so go back please. 

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16 hours ago, San Diego said:

These were perfect. Numbers on the helmet would be cool. I wonder how white helmets would look. 

 

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Yup.  They never should have changed what they had, with the exception of adding striping to the brown pants.

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I am a fan of the orange jersey and orange pants they used to wear. They're unique. 

 

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My main issue with those old Browns uniforms is the inconsistent striping. Make the pants match the helmets with the double stripe being brown.

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17 hours ago, Gupti said:

 

I will never understand those who have convinced themselves of this sentiment regarding our uni. It is trash from head to toe (not just the head, though especially the head). (Oh, I'm Jax-jacking the crud out of this thread now.)

 

The all-black jersey/pants/socks combo looks like edgy garbage that fails to evoke a lick of the badassery that the team intends to show through it. It is just an abysmal idea to adopt all-black as a full time look when it should only be reserved for occasional alt looks (such as the Ravens current alt, or the Jags' very handsome old black alts).

 

The use of our beloved teal is shockingly horrendous, relegated to gaudy blocks of color throughout the home uni (primarily the contrast-sleeves and pants rectangles(?)). If the use of teal appears to be hastily applied, that is because IT IS (at least in my belief).

 

TIN FOIL HAT TIME: The org made it clear from the beginning of their rebrand that teal was going to majorly take a backseat to Shad Khan's preferred scheme of black and gold. However, this obviously resulted in massive opposition from fans who know how deeply the color is ingrained in the franchise and the town. I believe that this left the team with no choice but to hastily throw some extra teal into the mix. The result? Crappy fill-by-numbers color-blocking. The proof? Check these often overlooked renderings from an old Nike press video regarding the uniform. The uni was going to be even MORE BLACK.

 

image.thumb.png.23eefc0f06c6812da213ab429af7f7a6.png

image.thumb.png.b8b10a65a89a56055196fb5bfffb5d02.png

 

The shiny sleeve inserts (claw marks???) are not brought up enough in conversations of how trash this uniform is, but they are indeed trash. The gold nonsense around the neck is trash. The way that there is no consistency across any of the number/NOB outlines is trash. The way that they designed a perfect sleeve logo yet put a slightly modified version of it on the chest for "we-love-the-goddamn-military" reasons, leaving the sleeves desperately bare, is trash. The way that they even designed a teal jersey only to never use it (regardless of the fact that it looks like trash) is trash. It goes without saying that the helmet is super duper trash (but I'm saying it anyway because it is, indeed, a part of this trash mess like everything else).

 

Stupid helmet or not, the whole uniform is haphazardly-thrown-together trash. Bring these back yesterday. I rest my case.

 

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The success of the new uniforms begins and ends with the striping.

 

When a football team doesn't have a logo on their helmet, doesn't really have a wordmark or strong logo set in general... creating consistent striping was the right move.  Feature the stripe.  Make the stripe prominent.  Unfortunately, they put a dumb pattern on the helmet stripe, they extended the shoulder stripes ridiculously far, and then - as almost to balance the shoulders - they truncated the pants stripes.

 

They improved the color pallet and, in my opinion, the helmet was a lateral move (finish was excellent, brown facemask was a nice subtle modernization, increasing the stripe size worked, but the pattern ruined it).  I think the browns pants are a nice addition (with the white jersey), and the return of the orange pants was necessary.

 

Obviously, as has been stated 409899845 times, the contrast stitching should be removed.  The drop shadow should be removed.  The inconsistent font should be made uniform (use the custom Nike font that is used on the new wordmark).  Numerals should have been white on the brown, and brown on the white.  If they wanted to make CLEVELAND or NOB orange, I would have been fine with that.  If they were dead set on having some MORE orange, they could have made the TV numbers orange, but that should/would have been it.  The workmark on the pants needs to be removed.

 

I don't even think the over sized CLEVELAND was an issue with the uniform, but combine that with everything else, and it was just another brick in the wall.

 

Moving to a white helmet would be a huge miscalculation.  I honestly can't think of a bigger blunder that organization could make from a brand stand point, except making the <B> logo a primary, or having the <B> within the organization in any capacity.

 

Lastly, they need to hire a real design firm to design and develop a true brand.  I think the emphasis should be on the stripe but there needs to be SOME sort of logo and some sort of consistency between the logos and uniforms.

 

Looking to change the uniforms is great news.  The only bad news is having to wait until 2020.

 

The sooner, the better.

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