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2017 NFL Season: Then there were 12

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45 minutes ago, BringBackTheVet said:

 

 

 

Also - is it true that the Jaguars chose to keep the tarps up for their home playoff game last week?  

Not entirely.

 

They removed the tarps to sell 3,500 additional seats and received permission from the NFL to remove more to sell 3,500 more but didn't. Unlike in Oakland, where the tarps on Mt. Davis are just black or say, "Raiders", the Jacksonville tarps are essentially billboards ads and removing them could've impacted future partnerships.

http://jacksonville.com/metro/business/2018-01-05/jaguars-decision-remove-everbank-field-tarps-ticket-sales-costly-delicate

 

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Case in point, Lamping said, was the delicate balance the franchise had to strike when the NFL gave the Jaguars permission to take off advertising tarps on the corners of the west side of the stadium so fans could buy another 3,500 tickets that would not have been available otherwise.

 

From a business standpoint, Lamping said the sponsors on those tarps — Navy Mutual and FDOT’s “Alert Today, Arrive Tomorrow” — agreed that their large advertising canvasses would be removed for seating. But Lamping said the franchise worked carefully to keep those sponsors in the fold during playoff exposure that will reach far beyond the First Coast.

 

“We provided substitute benefits … things like inventory on our digital advertising boards, tickets, perhaps inventory on our radio broadcasts. All of those types of things are available for sponsors during the playoff games and when you lose one type of advertising inventory — in this case, the tarps — there are ways to make up for that,” Lamping said.

 

Ultimately, the revenue generated from the tarp advertising fees amounted to more than the revenue generated by the 3,501 tickets that were sold at $52 each, Lamping said.

 

Edited by dfwabel
OAK comparison added

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4 minutes ago, DG_Now said:

You can get 300-level seats to Seahawks games for like, $250.

 

Move Jax.

 

Seriously.  Don't get me wrong - I'm totally in favor of an affordable experience.  Like... TOTALLY - however it's an indication that the area can't support pro football despite all the improvements the new owner has been making.

 

I get that it's a small market and not really an economically thriving one, so they're doing the best they possibly can, but sometimes your best isn't good enough.

 

That's the team that should be in LA - NOT the Chargers.

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sharing for no reason. My friend texted me this video and told me he was watching it so he could "feel feelings again" so I watched it in its entirety last night. 

 

 


Watching a random old game is really fun especially if you look for the ways it's changed since. This was the first NFL game I ever went to.

Here's a bunch of random thoughts:

 

- That field was TERRIBLE. Probably had a hand in neutralizing some of the Chiefs' explosiveness that day, but glad we have field turf now.

- I really miss those uniforms. They were really sharp and a classy NFL look. Our current uniforms are just so 2004. I wore my white Corey Dillon jersey to the game that day and ever since I’ll pull it out when the Bengals have a big game. It’s a little tighter than it was in 03 and it’s got some stains, but it’s my lucky Bengals jersey.

- Jon Kitna was bad and fun. He was a gunslinger in that game. I kind of feel like we wasted a year of Carson Palmer, though, and by extension wasted 2004 because that was basically his rookie year. Knowing what we know now I think we should’ve started Palmer in 2003.

- Dante Hall was terrifying. I remember being so scared every time the Bengals punted or kicked off. The funny thing is the Bengals were the one who ended up scoring on a punt return because...

- Peter Warrick! (that's a name I've not heard in a long time). This is probably his only good game as an NFL player.

- There were so few penalties and reviews. It's awesome. 

- the Chiefs were loaded and Trent Green was better than people remember. 

- Rudi Johnson was a cannonball. 

- The Bengals had Rudi Johnson and Corey Dillon that year and barely used Corey Dillon who in very Bengals/Patriots fashion goes to the Patriots the next year and becomes maybe the best back Brady's ever had and wins a super bowl. 

- LOL Morten Anderson and his facemask were still out there making field goals in 2003 and he played 4 more years after this!

- Bengals got away with a terrible call on a 3rd down that Chad Johnson obviously dropped and then the very next play Rudi Johnson busted like a 50 yard run. In today's NFL some video guy on the Chiefs would've signaled to challenge the previous play. 

- Jeremi Johnson’s touchdown would get reviewed for 15 minutes in today’s NFL and there’s a good chance they’d call it a fumble out of the side of the endzone and Chiefs' ball at the 20.

- One thing that really stood out was the Bengals body language was so good from the opening kickoff and in a big game nobody played scared. They all rose to the occasion. Every player bought in and believed they could beat this good undefeated team. Marvin Lewis’ attitude and body language is better too. He’s focused and intense and confident. Haven’t seen that fire in his eyes in a long time.  

- This game was the Bengals return to the NFL and you can tell by the crowd. We were psyched to be 4-5. I remember being there in the stadium and it was really rocking and I haven't felt it that way many times since. We need another moment like this to rally the city around the team again.

- at the end they flashed the standings. The Steelers were 3-6. What a wonderful time to be alive.

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The Chiefs are weird. They seem to start every other season 8-2 or something, only to flame out either in the regular season or in the playoffs. And they've done this without the benefit of having Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers for 15 years. Instead, they get some really great running backs, wideouts or return specialists for a few years, get to the verge of being great, disappoint, and then rebuild to do the whole thing again in a couple of years.

 

Their franchise consistency is something to be admired. I think I root for them as a tertiary team because their uniforms are great and so is their stadium. Andy Reid's a big doofus, but I still can't help but to pull for them.

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11 minutes ago, DG_Now said:

The Chiefs are weird. They seem to start every other season 8-2 or something, only to flame out either in the regular season or in the playoffs. And they've done this without the benefit of having Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers for 15 years. Instead, they get some really great running backs, wideouts or return specialists for a few years, get to the verge of being great, disappoint, and then rebuild to do the whole thing again in a couple of years.

 

Their franchise consistency is something to be admired. I think I root for them as a tertiary team because their uniforms are great and so is their stadium. Andy Reid's a big doofus, but I still can't help but to pull for them.

http://www.thedrawplay.com/comic/the-chiefs-get-their-pregame-speech/

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39 minutes ago, DG_Now said:

The Chiefs are weird. They seem to start every other season 8-2 or something, only to flame out either in the regular season or in the playoffs. And they've done this without the benefit of having Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers for 15 years. Instead, they get some really great running backs, wideouts or return specialists for a few years, get to the verge of being great, disappoint, and then rebuild to do the whole thing again in a couple of years.

 

Their franchise consistency is something to be admired. I think I root for them as a tertiary team because their uniforms are great and so is their stadium. Andy Reid's a big doofus, but I still can't help but to pull for them.

That's basically the M.O. of any Andy Reid coached team. 

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4 hours ago, ozzyman314 said:

That's basically the M.O. of any Andy Reid coached team. 

 

His teams always seem to swoon when the games matter. He's basically this generations Marty Schottenheimer.

 

He can win all the games that don't really matter in the long run; but when the games matter; he and his talents vanish.

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He is a great Monday through Saturday coach, and a terrible Sunday coach. 

 

Im so glad the rest of the country sees it now and they should all apologize to eagles fans that ran his fat pass-on-4th-and-1 inch, don’t run out the clock, waste time outs, have plays that take 90 seconds to read, ass out of town.  Oh and the whole thing about him choosing to coach instead of being a father to his kids who ended up in jail and dead. But he’s a Mormon and doesn’t drink coffee so he’s a great guy. 

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I didn't know about his kids. Jeez. NFL coaches are insane.

 

I really enjoyed those early 2000s Eagles teams. They were a ton of fun; probably moreso than any other competitive franchise of that era.

 

EDIT: I'm an idiot. Rams, duh. 

 

Has anyone pointed out that the Pats killed the Rams dynasty the same way they killed a potential Seahawks dynasty? Eff them.

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34 minutes ago, DG_Now said:

I didn't know about his kids. Jeez. NFL coaches are insane.

 

I really enjoyed those early 2000s Eagles teams. They were a ton of fun; probably moreso than any other competitive franchise of that era.

 

EDIT: I'm an idiot. Rams, duh. 

 

Has anyone pointed out that the Pats killed the Rams dynasty the same way they killed a potential Seahawks dynasty? Eff them.

 

The team urged him to take a leave of absence but he refused, even though it was not during regular season.  Cared more about drawing up stupid passing plays to run on 4th and 1 than he did about his kids.

 

"Reid brothers receive jail terms; judge cites 'family in crisis'"

http://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=3089753

 

"Garrett Reid died from overdose"

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/8520534/garrett-reid-son-philadelphia-eagles-coach-andy-reid-died-heroin-overdose

 

 

9 minutes ago, oldschoolvikings said:

He's a Mormon?  Had no idea.

 

Oh yeah.  No caffeine, alcohol, and always had a roster spot for some undeserving BYU player, most notably Reno Mahe, who had no business being on an NFL roster, let alone a great team's.

 

Funny thing about Mahe - his salary numbers always looked absurd, because they used him to "hide" money that they could roll over on to the following season's cap.  Not sure totally how it works, but they worked the system (legally) so he'd be paid very little but have a really high cap value so they could keep rolling money until they needed to splurge on a free agent or five. 

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Transcribed from the Super Bowl XXV program (January 1991):

 

The Next NFL Dynasty?

 

All right, suspend your better judgment for a moment and let's assume the 49ers will not win seven of the next eight Super Bowls. Imagine, for example, that Joe Montana retires in August, 1991, lured to become maitre'd at his buddy Dwight Clark's Redwood City restaurant; that Roger Craig becomes the new Jack LaLanne; and that Jerry Rice becomes the latest free-agent coup for the Oakland Athletics, who proclaim him their starting centerfielder in 1993.

 

Who might emerge to accept the mantle from the NFL's current dynasty? Well, the 1970s Steelers and 1980s 49ers were constructed with very different material, but they did share a few important structural similarities, namely: (1) benevolent ownership that supported the cause without being intrusive or heavy-handed; (2) a head coach who arrived with no prior NFL head-coaching experience and instilled vigor into the team; (3) a bright young quarterback around whom the offense would be built; and (4) a title-starved base of fans who were more than ready to act very silly if it helped lead to a world championship.

 

Can we scan the current NFL landscape for a golden child, still in its infancy, who fits the model established by Pittsburgh and San Francisco? Yes! There is a team of the 1990s, and that team is...the Detroit Lions! Sure, it's jumping the gun a little bit when you consider the Lions haven't won an NFC Central Division title since 1983 or an NFL championship since Dwight Eisenhower was President, but we wanted to give you a good head start on Lions season tickets and "Restore the Roar" T-shirts.

 

Not convinced? Look, team owner William Clay Ford, son of Edsel Ford, was 9 years old when he first saw the team play at the University of Detroit Stadium in 1934, the Lions' first season in the Motor City. He's the type of franchise owner you never hear anything about, except that his employees respect him. And then there's Wayne Fontes, the former defensive coordinator who has displayed the kind of enthusiasm usually reserved for game show hosts since taking over as head coach in December, 1988. Still not swayed? Well, either Rodney Peete or Andre Ware could turn out to be the next Terry Bradshaw; each is considered to be an outstanding pro prospect.

 

"I'm thrilled that someone feels we have the qualities that those two dynasties had in the seventies and eighties," says Fontes in apparent mocks surprise, as if he didn't know destiny was buzzing at his security gate. "We do have a very young quarterback, and that's a start, and we have a great young running back [Barry Sanders], and that's maybe even a better start. Let's hope those dynasties will move over and give the Detroit Lions a chance."

 

But is Fontes prepared for the intense scrutiny imposed upon a world champion? He seems to be on the right track. "The only time I have problems with the media is when we don't do well," he says. "When we win, I'll just step back and let my team and my coaching staff get all the accolades."

 

So there you have it. Sorry to take the suspense out of the last three or four years of the decade, but we didn't want to be accused of jumping on the bandwagon late. And if, by some strange twist of fate, the Detroit Lions are not able to write "Team of the '90s" on the first game program of the 21st century...never trust formulas when it comes to football.

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Man is it loud in Philly. Fair play to them, their bringing it and the football team hasn’t quit yet!

 

Really looking forward to tomorrow’s games though as a *sniff* neutral. Vikes-Saints especially looks like a cracker. 

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2 minutes ago, dorshak said:

Pretty sure Julio did not "catch" that ball on 3rd and goal, but it didn't come back to hurt Philadelphia.

 

I didn't think so either. I think that was more clear than the Sanu non-catch earlier in the game. 

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