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3 minutes ago, SabresRule7361 said:

It must be great being a Pats fan.

 

Like tripping on the sidewalk and finding a 100 bill.

 

They truly have it better than anyone else.

 

Is it safe to say you don't like the Patriots? Just a speculation on my end, but what do I know.

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29 minutes ago, SabresRule7361 said:

It must be great being a Pats fan.

 

Like tripping on the sidewalk and finding a 100 bill.

 

They truly have it better than anyone else.

 

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Now I hate the Patriots, but you need to quit while you're ahead. You hate the Patriots; we get it. No need to keep reminding us.

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It’s not even that people hate the Patriots. It’s that they hate that their teams aren’t run as well, so they take it out on Patriots fans even though they wish that the situation was reversed. It’s pretty silly. 

 

Theres 30 fanbases (maybe Pittsburgh is exempt) that would trade everything about their team for the last 20 years to have what the Patriots have. To claim otherwise is silly, and to hate rather than admit jealousy is immature. 

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I'd also say that the vast majority of Boston sports fans here aren't the "TAWMY FROM QUINZEE" stereotypes, so complaining about them here isn't really the most appropriate platform. Most of us have expressed gratitude and we've recognized how blessed we've been as a fanbase in the past ~15 years.

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8 hours ago, Dalcowboyfan92 said:

 

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Now I hate the Patriots, but you need to quit while you're ahead. You hate the Patriots; we get it. No need to keep reminding us.

 

Just hide his posts. It's been one of the better decisions I've made in my time here. 

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10 hours ago, Brass said:

I'd also say that the vast majority of Boston sports fans here aren't the "TAWMY FROM QUINZEE" stereotypes, so complaining about them here isn't really the most appropriate platform. Most of us have expressed gratitude and we've recognized how blessed we've been as a fanbase in the past ~15 years.

I appreciate all of you Boston area fans on here because you are all pretty objective, unlike the fans that seem to form the stereotype.

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I think most people confuse hatred with jealousy. A lot of people who hate the Patriots are just so jealous of all the ridiculous success the team has had over the past 15 years. Like Vet said, I don't think there would be a single fan of any other team (sans Pittsburgh) who wouldn't trade everything for their team to have the same amount of success as New England had.

 

(I'm not going to lie saying I would be one of those guys who would trade everything so Dallas wouldn't have this 2 decade long string of mediocrity.)

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Of course an alternate option is to just divorce oneself from NFL fandom altogether and become more of a casual observer of the games. 

 

It's one of the best decisions I've made in quite a while.

 

(Oh and...what Rockstar Matt said, too.)

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On 12/19/2017 at 3:47 PM, BringBackTheVet said:

It’s not even that people hate the Patriots. It’s that they hate that their teams aren’t run as well, so they take it out on Patriots fans even though they wish that the situation was reversed. It’s pretty silly. 

 

Theres 30 fanbases (maybe Pittsburgh is exempt) that would trade everything about their team for the last 20 years to have what the Patriots have. To claim otherwise is silly, and to hate rather than admit jealousy is immature. 

I disagree. People hate the arrogance and obnoxious behavior of that entire franchise, including the loud majority of their fans. And then there's the two cheating scandals that they were slapped on the wrist for.

 

The Packers are much better run than most NFL franchises as well, but they aren't hated nearly as much as the Patriots are. There's a reason for that.

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1 hour ago, Lights Out said:

 

 

The Packers are much better run than most NFL franchises as well, but they aren't hated nearly as much as the Patriots are. There's a reason for that.

Are they? Or has Aaron Rodgers' play mask a decade of poor decisions both talent evaluation (Ted Thompson) and coaching (McCarthy)?

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5 minutes ago, dfwabel said:

Are they? Or has Aaron Rodgers' play mask a decade of poor decisions both talent evaluation (Ted Thompson) and coaching (McCarthy)?

 

Those 2 decades of contention have only netted the team three NFC championships, with the last one coming seven years ago. I'd hardly put them in the same boat as the Pats.

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1 hour ago, Lights Out said:

I disagree. People hate the arrogance and obnoxious behavior of that entire franchise, including the loud majority of their fans. And then there's the two cheating scandals that they were slapped on the wrist for.

 

The Packers are much better run than most NFL franchises as well, but they aren't hated nearly as much as the Patriots are. There's a reason for that.

 

This is silly. First, the packers are well run, but are barely playing the same sport as the patriots, let alone being in the same ballpark. They’re a well run team, but Jesus get real - 7 Super Bowls and 5 wins vs 2 and 1 in the same time frame. 

 

Stop it with “obnoxious fans”. Every team has “obnoxious fans” when they’re great, except for some of the heeuck heeuck golly gee midwestern fans, and the West Coast fans that aren’t really into it anyway. 

 

 

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17 hours ago, Lights Out said:

I disagree. People hate the arrogance and obnoxious behavior of that entire franchise, including the loud majority of their fans. And then there's the two cheating scandals that they were slapped on the wrist for.

 

Where are you encountering these fans?

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16 hours ago, BringBackTheVet said:

 

This is silly. First, the packers are well run, but are barely playing the same sport as the patriots, let alone being in the same ballpark. They’re a well run team, but Jesus get real - 7 Super Bowls and 5 wins vs 2 and 1 in the same time frame. 

 

Stop it with “obnoxious fans”. Every team has “obnoxious fans” when they’re great, except for some of the heeuck heeuck golly gee midwestern fans, and the West Coast fans that aren’t really into it anyway. 

 

 

I'm not even convinced the Packers are all that well run.  Over 95% of their snaps have been taken by Hall-of-Famers for the past 25 years.  That's the primary difference between them and most teams.  Rodgers injuries seem to impact that team a lot more than Brady injuries impact the Pats.  If you sort "well run" from 1-32, I think the biggest gap is between #1 and #2.  

 

And regarding obnoxious fans, I think the Packers have some of the most obnoxious fans.  Why do I think that?  Probably mostly because they're a rival team that has been a contender each of the last 25 years (save for the two Rodgers injury seasons).  Their fans feel that the Packers are more than just a football team, are dumbfounded that anyone would root for a different team, and wear things that indicate an inflated sense of importance (Packer pope hats, buttons that say "God is a Packer fan," etc.).  But if I was a Bucs fan, I probably would not care.  I'd probably be sick of obnoxious Falcon fans.

 

While there is some element beyond just "success" and "envy,"  (like a couple of cheating issues and some outrageous luck at the hands of some terrible rules), I think "Patriots Fatigue" is the driving force.  The Packers are a threat to win the Super Bowl every year (barring QB injury, of course) but they're usually lacking a running game, have a below-average defense, etc.  Aside from irrationally pessimistic NFC North fans (guilty, as charged), we seldom go into a season thinking that the Packers are as good as in the Super Bowl.  We think that with the Pats some years.  And they've won five with this one QB while the Packers have only managed two with their two QBs.  I think Vikings, Lions, and Bears fans have reason to have Packers fatigue, but nationally?  Not quite.  

 

I have Patriots Fatigue coming out of my ears.  I cheer against them almost all the time.  In the big picture, I think most of this is fatigue combined with envy.  Deflategate was a joke.  I believe that the team, and Brady, did everything they were accused of...but four games?  That kind of stuff (greasing the jerseys, etc.) traditionally results in a small fine.  My feeling is that public outcry (and therefore the obscenely rich Commissioner's making-it-up-as-he-goes punishment) like that would not have happened had that occurred with any other team.

 

I get a bit cynical about the Teams That Matter.  Packers, Patriots, Cowboys, and Steelers.  I was convinced that the Officials lock out would end after one of those teams lost a game on a controversial call (boom!) and I remain convinced that if that had happened to the Titans it would be long forgotten.  But I have to acknowledge that the Packers differ from the other three.  The other three are polarizing.  The Cowboys always matter.  They have a lot of fans, but a lot of haters.  The Steelers and Patriots have some of that going on, as well. But the Packers are probably the second-favorite team for most non-Viking/Lion/Bear fans.  I don't know if it's the small town, public ownership, or what.  But outside of the NFC North, they're not polarizing.  They're just beloved. It would be interesting to see what would happen if they won five Super Bowls in a decade or something.

 

I only hope I one day cheer for a team as hated as the Pats are today.

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The Patriots are probably my favorite AFC team, but I'm assuming the animosity for them has to come from other fans assuming the Patriots bend the rules to win. People are so attached to one team that they hate on other successful teams. It's kind of ridiculous that people are so against liking more than one team, especially in the age of free agency, elite college players, and fantasy football.

For example, my top 3 would be Vikings, Bears, Patriots.

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People hate the Patriots because of their success. Plain and simple. If they had half of the accomplishments they've accumulated in the last 16 years, they hate wouldn't nearly be as strong. You can attribute any negative qualities you like (arrogance, obnoxiousness, classlessness and what have you) to franchise because when a team is good, it seems like those qualities become amplified but in reality, it's far more likely that people only focus on those traits because they need something to rationalize their dislike.

 

Basically, you see only what you want to see. The truth is that any negative trait any person attaches to one franchise, can be accredited to your favorite franchise as well. 

 

Having said that, I still hate the Patriots. 

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It's not just that the Patriots have been good, but also that the NFL's rules have changed throughout their 15-year dynasty, and each iteration of those rule changes (or rule interpretations) have favored the Patriots' ongoing success.

 

It started with the tuck rule, and has continued through increased protection of quarterbacks, which has likely extended Tom Brady's playing career.

 

Of course other teams have the ability to draft like the Patriots, exploit rules like the Patriots, and build around successful quarterbacks like the Patriots, but sometimes having the GOAT QB in a league that increasingly favors QBs is a cheat code other teams can never catch up with.

 

The Steelers have competed but have only two championships to show for it. The Giants lucked into two others. The Seahawks came closest to establishing ongoing success, but have shown that you can't sustain a dynasty based on defense because defense continues to be sacrificed in favor of sweet QB-to-WR TDs. That and they should have run the damn ball.

 

And, FWIW, a lot of Boston fans didn't comport themselves very well through the rise of their sports success in the early 2000s. They wanted credit for winning teams and supporting forever losers, except by 2011, all of their teams won. So they lingered a bit too long on the "woe is us" label past the point of absurdity. That sentiment is mostly gone now, but it lasted through most of the last decade as they picked off championships in the four American sports leagues one by one.

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29 minutes ago, DG_Now said:

It's not just that the Patriots have been good, but also that the NFL's rules have changed throughout their 15-year dynasty, and each iteration of those rule changes (or rule interpretations) have favored the Patriots' ongoing success.

Backing up the extra point spot may well have prevented yet another Pats Super Bowl. So there is that. 

 

30 minutes ago, DG_Now said:

That sentiment is mostly gone now, but it lasted through most of the last decade as they picked off championships in the four American sports leagues one by one.

Yeah, but they've never won MLS Cup. 

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