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bosrs1    648
1 hour ago, Digby said:

 

I don't mean to derail, but do most ballparks play God Bless America at every 7th inning stretch? In my experience at Fenway Park, it's only played on Sundays for whatever reason.

 

No only Yankee Stadium plays it every day is my understanding. Petco Park and Fenway play it every Sunday.

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bosrs1    648
33 minutes ago, Red Wolf said:

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Well Sunday is church day for us Christians.

 

I thought it was odd when I saw some non-sports fans talking about how they wanted to watch for the protests. I kind of doubt most of those people actually watched since it was still 99% just regular old football.

 

I'm actually taken aback by the amount of super negative reactions from people burning tickets and merchandise. I'm always taken aback by things like that though (Clevelanders burning LeBron jerseys for instance). I love America as much as the next guy, but even if you don't like the anthem protests, it's so easy to ignore it and just watch the football. 

 

I'm not. The average sports fan in America is the same kind of person who the guys running NASCAR for example try to cater to (as you've seen in their responses over the last 72 hours). That's not to say they're a big majority. But they are the ones who are as a general rule the most "die hard". Particularly with football. That they'd react this way to a prostest they see as a leftist minority attack on America... shouldn't surprise anyone in the slightest.

 

And there in lies the pickle the NFL in particular has found itself. It's most virulent fan base, is the type that will swear them off and burn everything if they perceive the league as "hatin on Murica". But by the same token, they've enough fans that are in the heavy support category for those kneeling that those folks won't be happy until the league takes a hard and public stance in favor of what the kneeling players are doing. The NFL can not win not matter what they do.

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Rockstar Matt    639
24 minutes ago, osctheg said:

All I want is a football game with no political controversy.

 

Sorry that racial dialogue makes you feel uncomfortable. It's a damn shame that they're inconveniencing your football time.. I mean, the original intent behind the protests was just to bring racial injustice to the national spotlight, but as long as those injustices don't happen to you, or your family, you want to simply to get away from it all and enjoy some entertainment? 

 

Out of sight and out of mind, right?  

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BlueSky    342
45 minutes ago, CS85 said:

 

Correct.  This is the bed your party chose to make.  The conservative republicans reluctance to lie in it is not my problem.  Your comfort in spite of yourself is in no way important to me at all - in fact, it's quite the opposite.  

 

Do you understand that the large majority of people in this country voted not for one candidate but against the other? "This bed" was made by various people, including a great many from both parties, genders, and races who would never admit voting for Trump but did so because they simply couldn't vote for Hillary.

 

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FGM13    705

At this point, it’s negligent of athletes/writers/broadcasters/celebrities  not to protest or talk about it somehow. If not them, who? In western culture these are the ones who are given all this clout and fame and power, and if the government and politicians aren’t going to help then these people need to.

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BlueSky    342
1 hour ago, leopard88 said:

 

One of my best friends said essentially the same thing to me yesterday morning (after saying he decided to turn down a Ravens-Steelers ticket for next week).  I also look to sports and entertainment as an escape (which may be why I gravitate towards comedies), but I guess a little intrusion from the outside world doesn't bother me that much.

 

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't kneel if I was in the same position.  However, even as someone who's father and stepfather both served in the military, I respect those that made that choice.  I also am certainly not bothered enough by that choice to say, "I've been watching the NFL since the early '70s, but that's it!!!  No more money from me!!!"

 

I wouldn't kneel either - ever. You know the movie Hacksaw Ridge? That was about my father's unit, the 77th Infantry Division. His company started the Okinawa campaign with 203 officers and men. After 82 days of battle, he was one of 16 left alive. He took his guilt over coming home when so many of his buddies are buried in the Pacific to his grave. None of that makes America perfect, and there's a lot of work to be done. But it can be done without disrespecting the National Anthem and flag. 

 

One of the greatest ironies here is how much has been sacrificed by this country to provide and preserve a society in which people have the right to protest. That's part of what makes America different. There are those here who diminish and even ridicule patriotism. That's their loss, not mine. 

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the admiral    10,665
52 minutes ago, osctheg said:

All I want is a football game with no political controversy.

You're not gonna get it. Everything is political now. That's our world.

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masterchaoss    89
27 minutes ago, Rockstar Matt said:

 

Sorry that racial dialogue makes you feel uncomfortable. It's a damn shame that they're inconveniencing your football time.. I mean, the original intent behind the protests was just to bring racial injustice to the national spotlight, but as long as those injustices don't happen to you, or your family, you want to simply to get away from it all and enjoy some entertainment? 

 

Out of sight and out of mind, right?  

I'm a minority in this country in both racially and religiously and do believe that is the wrong place to complain about the police brutality that effects not just African Americans but every race and ethnicity in this country. Sports are where I and many others go to forget about all of the problems in the world, sports are escapism and should be treated as such. I understand and respect completely that they have the right to protest and free speech, i feel like it's for the best if they did it outside of their uniforms when the game is over. 

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jmac11281    1,133
Just now, masterchaoss said:

I'm a minority in this country in both racially and religiously and do believe that is the wrong place to complain about the police brutality that effects not just African Americans but every race and ethnicity in this country. Sports are where I and many others go to forget about all of the problems in the world, sports are escapism and should be treated as such. I understand and respect completely that they have the right to protest and free speech, i feel like it's for the best if they did it outside of their uniforms when the game is over. 

I agree. I'm not against the protests. I just personally couldn't protest myself. And at this point, this issue needs to be moved forward beyond just an anthem protest.

 

34 minutes ago, Rockstar Matt said:

 

Sorry that racial dialogue makes you feel uncomfortable. It's a damn shame that they're inconveniencing your football time.. I mean, the original intent behind the protests was just to bring racial injustice to the national spotlight, but as long as those injustices don't happen to you, or your family, you want to simply to get away from it all and enjoy some entertainment? 

 

Out of sight and out of mind, right?  

This is a little presumptuous. He said nothing about the protests being wrong. All he said was that he wish he could have sports without the politics. Nothing wrong with that. It was a form of escapism from this rotten world. Not anymore.

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CS85    5,402
31 minutes ago, BlueSky said:

 

Do you understand that the large majority of people in this country voted not for one candidate but against the other? "This bed" was made by various people, including a great many from both parties, genders, and races who would never admit voting for Trump but did so because they simply couldn't vote for Hillary.

 

 

A vote out of spite/contempt/disdain is still a vote.  Write-in, 3rd party, or outright abstention were options. 

 

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jmac11281    1,133
13 minutes ago, CS85 said:

 

A vote out of spite/contempt/disdain is still a vote.  Write-in, 3rd party, or outright abstention were options. 

 

That's how I voted but somehow I still get blamed for voting Trump into office. 

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mcj882000    408
1 hour ago, leopard88 said:

Camden Yards is Sunday only . . . as I can attest from yesterday.  On Fridays, they play "This Land Is Your Land", which is apparently meant to send a subtle message of diversity and inclusivity.

What's funny about that, to me at least, is that "This Land Is Your Land" was written as a direct response to "God Bless America".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Land_Is_Your_Land

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rams80    2,897
55 minutes ago, BlueSky said:

 

Do you understand that the large majority of people in this country voted not for one candidate but against the other? "This bed" was made by various people, including a great many from both parties, genders, and races who would never admit voting for Trump but did so because they simply couldn't vote for Hillary.

 

 

So they chose instead to vote for the guy whose campaign involved enabling white supremacists.  You vote for the guy, you own the platform, congrats.

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rams80    2,897
54 minutes ago, BlueSky said:

 

I wouldn't kneel either - ever. You know the movie Hacksaw Ridge? That was about my father's unit, the 77th Infantry Division. His company started the Okinawa campaign with 203 officers and men. After 82 days of battle, he was one of 16 left alive. He took his guilt over coming home when so many of his buddies are buried in the Pacific to his grave. None of that makes America perfect, and there's a lot of work to be done. But it can be done without disrespecting the National Anthem and flag. 

 

One of the greatest ironies here is how much has been sacrificed by this country to provide and preserve a society in which people have the right to protest. That's part of what makes America different. There are those here who diminish and even ridicule patriotism. That's their loss, not mine. 

 

New idea, how about we get mad at those entities that one on end chose to appropriate the flag and other signs of cheap jingoistic Patriotism and on the other hand chose to implicitly or explicitly condone racism and police violence against minorities.  Maybe it's those guys who are disrespecting the National Anthem and flag, especially by so closely tying it to their other policies.

 

Because let me tell you something, if the National Anthem hadn't become so closely intertwined with those awful, negative things, it wouldn't become a source of protest.

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rams80    2,897

Seriously, though, folks are mad about disrespecting the flag?!

 

THIS, THIS RIGHT HERE BELOW IS DISRESPECTING THE :censored: ING FLAG

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=blue+lives+matter+flag&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiJv5z7t8HWAhVHwVQKHSkIBOIQ_AUICigB&biw=1366&bih=636

 

Of course, there's a strong overlap between the folks who think the above is right as rain and those who get mad at athletes taking a knee during the national anthem.  And they cannot comprehend how the former might be driving the latter.

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Tracy Jordan    89
2 hours ago, masterchaoss said:

I'm a minority in this country in both racially and religiously and do believe that is the wrong place to complain about the police brutality that effects not just African Americans but every race and ethnicity in this country. Sports are where I and many others go to forget about all of the problems in the world, sports are escapism and should be treated as such. I understand and respect completely that they have the right to protest and free speech, i feel like it's for the best if they did it outside of their uniforms when the game is over. 

 

Including whites?

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Rockstar Matt    639

You know this whole thing has raised another question for me: when did kneeling become a sign of disrespect?

 

If I remember my history classes correctly, I seem to recall that throughout human history, and in various different cultures, kneeling before something has always been a sign of respect. Isn't that why people kneel during prayer, in the many different forms of religion that still exist today? Or in the sports world, when a player is hurt and unable to get up, players kneel out of respect and not disrespect, correct?

 

I just can't seem to remember when this changed. 

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