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Sykotyk    314
On 8/24/2017 at 9:48 PM, 4_tattoos said:

When did cross country travel become a common thing in high school ball? At least when it comes to powerhouse private schools. Been noticing it happening a lot over the last decade. Playing other schools in your region or even the same time zone is one thing, but going coast to coast seems excessive for high school.

 

Don't know the rules other states have, but Maryland's public school teams' out of state competition is limited to border states (Washington DC, Virginia, Delaware, Pennsylvania and West Virginia).

 

That's actually a lot of potential out of state opponents for Maryland public schools now that I think about it.

Ohio has a similar rule. To travel further, you must get approval by the state association.

 

On 8/25/2017 at 0:08 AM, Seadragon76 said:

Being in Southwest Washington, interstate games with Oregon schools do happen. If you're on the eastern side of the state, sometimes they'll play Idaho schools.

 

In fact, starting next season Hermiston (an Oregon school) will be a member of the WIAA. This is because of the incoming realignment the OSAA is going to introduce and it would put them pretty far off from their conference foes (Average of 400 miles per round trip). They'll be in the Mic-Columbia Conference, which is a duel 4A/3A league.

 

Interesting. There's a few situations where this happens. MonDak is a co-op between a Montanan and North Dakotan school who play in Montana. A school in Arizona plays in Nevada, and some east-of-the-Sierras California teams play in Nevada.

 

What's interesting is that Oregon doesn't have some better way of figuring things out. Wyoming has this same issue but they can float teams up or down if travel and rivalries become an issue.

 

On 8/25/2017 at 9:37 PM, 4_tattoos said:

So do Canadian high school teams play by American rules or CFL rules?

Interestingly, British Columbia plays by US rules, while the other provinces that play 'Football' play the Canadian rules. Maritime provinces actually don't play tackle football, instead a few play flag football.

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Seadragon76    312

That's the thing. Oregon is currently in the process of drawing up it's current plan for realignment starting next season. Also, they do allow for exceptions for geography

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Seadragon76    312

Washington and Oregon started last weekend... R.A. Long opened with a big victory over Centraiia while Mark Morris got blanked by Kelso.

 

Kalama and Woodland met in what's called the '8 Mile War'. Kalama took that game. Whakiakum and Naselle met for the 'KM Mountain Trophy' with the Mules winning there (Side note: since the game was in Naselle, it was played under 8 man rules. Last year, the game was in Cathlamet, so it was under 11 man rules).

 

In Iowa, Denison is now 1-1 after finishing it's non-district schedule by losing to Council Bluffs Thomas Jefferson and defeating East Sac County (a combination of Wall Lake, Lake View, Auburn and Sac City. Mergers are pretty much a way of life for Iowa schools, in case you didn't notice).

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aerodynamix    8
On 9/5/2017 at 6:11 PM, Seadragon76 said:

In Iowa, Denison is now 1-1 after finishing it's non-district schedule by losing to Council Bluffs Thomas Jefferson and defeating East Sac County (a combination of Wall Lake, Lake View, Auburn and Sac City. Mergers are pretty much a way of life for Iowa schools, in case you didn't notice).

 

I know that all too well. My school (Southeast Webster) merged to become East Sac County's conference rival Southeast Valley three years ago.

In my neck of the woods (the Texas Panhandle), the Dumas Demons and the Sunray Bobcats are 1-0. Tomorrow, Dumas travels down to Lubbock to face Estacado, nicknamed the Matadors. On Friday, Sunray heads to the small town of Gruver, where they will take on the Greyhounds. 

I'm tempted to showcase their uniforms in the high school football uniform thread. Both schools have nice looks to them. 

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4_tattoos    402

National TV game on ESPNU tonight. Miami Central at Bishop Gorman. Unfortunately I don't get the U on my cable package.

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MJWalker45    1,074

Pretty sloppy game referee wise. Saw three helmet to helmet calls, none of them were correct. There was one obvious helmet to helmet call that wasn't made. 

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dfwabel    1,056
1 hour ago, 4_tattoos said:

Two Texas schools playing on ESPN2 right now. Ryan vs Denton. Anybody familiar with either team?

It's an intracity game as both are in the Denton ISD.

 

Ryan used to be really good last decade with state titles in the early 2000s. Their success was cut due to Denton's growth and a third HS (Guyer) opened up in 2005 and started doing all the winning. In 2012, they had Mario Edwards, Jr., who was the #1 recruit in the nation.  They're getting it back together with deep playoff runs over the last three years, a QF And Semi appearance.

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Seadragon76    312

Denton sounds familiar.

 

Anyway, last week the local paper (they have a Football Friday section for the high schools here) brought up a great topic: Scheduling. They brought up four examples of scheduling.

 

-Toledo, who has had the same non-league schedule for these last two seasons and has gone 6-2 in the process.

-Castle Rock, who has the same non-league schedule for these last two seasons, but has only 1 win out of league play to show for it.

-Kelso, who has the advantage of two built in games every season (both Longview schools), so they need to add games. Lake Washington was added to help prepare for 3A postseason play.

-Rainier, who went 9-0 last season with a weak schedule that included games with a team from Alaska and a team from California. In Oregon's rating system, games with non-state schools don't count towards it... and games with schools at a lower class don't carry the same weight as a game against a school at the same class. So, they replaced the four non-league games (which were the two non-state schools, a 3A school and a 4A) with schools in the same class, which has them at number 2 in the current rankings heading into this weekend.

 

Which leads to this: How do schools in your state handle scheduling?

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MJWalker45    1,074

Schools in Ohio play in leagues. That usually means 5-7 games are known each year, teams schedule the rest on a year to year basis. In Texas, schools are placed into 7 team districts based on class size. In San Antonio,  all the schools in each school district play each other which means 6 games in district. The rest of the games usually involve playing the neighboring districts. That means playing the whole season in San Antonio until the playoffs start. Other districts could play games up to 2 hours away from home. 

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Discrimihater    317

Much like Ohio, we use conferences in Wisconsin (ironically enough, my school's conference was/is the Southeastern...even borrowed the now-old SEC logo for a banner), and schools are divided into 7 divisions based on size, Div. 7 being the smallest playing 11-man and Div. 1 consisting of the largest.  A handful of small schools play 8-man, those guys end the season in a jamboree (basically a HS version of bowl games).

Far as scheduling goes, we play 9 games, with five rounds of

playoffs, the road to state ending at Camp Randall the week before Thanksgiving.  

 I've been there as far as consistently terrible teams go...at a program that hasn't had a winning season since 93, I was part of the first winless team up in school history (2000)... though it looks like they've improved to mediocre, at least.

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dfwabel    1,056
1 hour ago, 4_tattoos said:

I assumed the Wisconsin state championship games would be played at Lambeau.

That many games so quickly isn't ideal for the grass.

 

Ask Pittsburgh and Heinz Field, who once annually hosted all six WPIAL (district) finals and the grass was a mess for the end of the season as it's too cold to really re-sod. They've downgraded to host only four of the six, with Robert Morris hosting the two lowest classes.

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MJWalker45    1,074
18 hours ago, dfwabel said:

That many games so quickly isn't ideal for the grass.

 

Ask Pittsburgh and Heinz Field, who once annually hosted all six WPIAL (district) finals and the grass was a mess for the end of the season as it's too cold to really re-sod. They've downgraded to host only four of the six, with Robert Morris hosting the two lowest classes.

That's why Ohio Stadium gave up the rights to Massillon and Canton in the late 90's when we jumped from 4 to 6 divisions. Ohio State has hosted the last two years while Fawcett Stadium (Hall of Fame Game Field, Tom Benson Stadium now) was rebuilt. I believe Canton/Massillon and Columbus will take turns hosting every two years.

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4_tattoos    402

The Ravens' stadium hosted the Maryland hosted the state championship games from 2002-2015. The end of that run coincided with the Ravens returning to a natural grass field. The championship games are played at Navy's stadium in Annapolis now (which has turf).

 

Although all 4 state championship games used to be played at the University of Maryland's stadium back when it had grass. To be honest I haven't looked into the reasons why the MPSSAA changed the championship site.

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dfwabel    1,056
25 minutes ago, 4_tattoos said:

The Ravens' stadium hosted the Maryland hosted the state championship games from 2002-2015. The end of that run coincided with the Ravens returning to a natural grass field. The championship games are played at Navy's stadium in Annapolis now (which has turf).

 

Although all 4 state championship games used to be played at the University of Maryland's stadium back when it had grass. To be honest I haven't looked into the reasons why the MPSSAA changed the championship site.

There was a conflict in 2002 with a Maryland home game on the desired weekend, they hosted Wake on November 30, so they went to Baltimore.

 

They left for Annapolis due to the grass field.

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4_tattoos    402
21 hours ago, dfwabel said:

There was a conflict in 2002 with a Maryland home game on the desired weekend, they hosted Wake on November 30, so they went to Baltimore.

 

They left for Annapolis due to the grass field.

Oh okay. Seems like going back to UMD would have been the logical choice, but Navy's stadium is probably cheaper to rent.

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