Gothamite Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 5 hours ago, Brandon9485 said: How can Yankee fans be mad that Jeter didn’t try to buy the Yanks? The Yankees weren’t for sale. If they’re upset about that, then they are both uninformed and emotionally immature. They aren’t upset about that. They really aren’t. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 4 hours ago, Gehrig27 said: Yeah...I listen/watch pretty much every radio/tv show that's on in the tri-state area, and I have literally never heard a single fan call Jeter a traitor for going to Miami, nor have I met a single person who thinks that. In fact, it was viewed as a very expected and logical move based on everything he had ever said about his post-career ambitions. Yeah, I’m with you. I just don’t think that claim is true. Marlins fans might see him as a carpetbagger, but that says much more about them. No significant number of Yankee fans are upset at all that he went to Miami. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kroywen Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 I don't know a single Yankee fan who's upset with Jeter for going to Miami. I think we all understand why he wanted to, and I think most of us are glad that he's still involved in baseball in a meaningful capacity. It's a shame that he won't be able to show up at Old Timers' Day or things like that, but that's small potatoes. There's no Yankee fans angry at Jeter over that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFGiants58 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Gothamite said: Yeah, I’m with you. I just don’t think that claim is true. Marlins fans might see him as a carpetbagger, but that says much more about them. No significant number of Yankee fans are upset at all that he went to Miami. I wish fans would be more sparing/careful with the use of the word "carpetbagger." It's a bit of a loaded term, given its connection to Reconstruction and the post-Reconstruction fallout in the South. MLB: Project 32 (Complete), MLB: The Defunct Saga (Complete) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 8 hours ago, tubby34 said: I feel like Loria got the crap end of the stick here to be honest. He partly deserved it for how he took over the Expos (he was right, but it was wrong), and my biggest gripe I ever had with him was the introduction of Black so heavily in 2003, then the orange promotions from 2005 on. Anyone with half a brain knew orange was going to be a new team color. Huizinga destroyed the fanbase, Henry thought he could sneak in on the cheap and pick it up, and sailed off for greener pastures the first chance he could. Loria played the long game. He took over in 2002 and kept fighting for 10 years to get that stadium when we were up for contraction, relocation and everything. I sincerely believe Loria never wanted to leave the Miami market and the only reason he sold was because of Jose Fernandez and how it devastated him emotionally. Don't rehabilitate Jeffrey Loria. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlinfan Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 Jeffrey Loria is/was a scumbag. He's the reason the team is in its current state. A decade of playing cheap in the draft, meddling in player decisions, and supporting a terrible front office. He continually supported his step-son who alienated fans and the business community. He only owned the Marlins because MLB wanted him out as owner of the Expos and he threatened to sue. Re: Marlins in orange: I was 15! 1997 | 2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 12 hours ago, SFGiants58 said: I wish fans would be more sparing/careful with the use of the word "carpetbagger." It's a bit of a loaded term, given its connection to Reconstruction and the post-Reconstruction fallout in the South. Why, exactly? It’s a very useful word. And in this circumstance? Sure seems to fit. A literal Yankee travels down to the South to enrich himself by exploiting the local chaos he finds there, seeking positions and income he can’t secure in the North? Yep, checks out. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFGiants58 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 3 hours ago, Gothamite said: Why, exactly? It’s a very useful word. And in this circumstance? Sure seems to fit. A literal Yankee travels down to the South to enrich himself by exploiting the local chaos he finds there, seeking positions and income he can’t secure in the North? Yep, checks out. Racial reasons, mostly. It’s got the uncomfortable subtext of “when you’re gone, we’ll get back to abusing non-whites and codify an apartheid state in law.” There’s also a bit of “War of Northern Agression” and “States’ Rights” coloring the use of the term. It’s also a bit of hyperbole to compare a sports team’s operation to the abuses of Reconstruction. MLB: Project 32 (Complete), MLB: The Defunct Saga (Complete) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Discrim Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 He'll be here all week, folks A strong mind gets high off success, a weak mind gets high off bull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GriffinM6 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 18 minutes ago, SFGiants58 said: Racial reasons, mostly. It’s got the uncomfortable subtext of “when you’re gone, we’ll get back to abusing non-whites and codify an apartheid state in law.” There’s also a bit of “War of Northern Agression” and “States’ Rights” coloring the use of the term. It’s also a bit of hyperbole to compare a sports team’s operation to the abuses of Reconstruction. It's not that deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilChameleon Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 We should be seeing the 2019 All Star Game logo sometime this week, yes? Maybe even sometime this series. Cleveland sports for life!"Laugh hard. Run fast. Be kind." -The Doctor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFGiants58 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Discrimihater said: He'll be here all week, folks 2 hours ago, Griffinmarlins said: It's not that deep. Yeah, sorry I overreacted. It’s the historian in me getting a little too strong. I’d still recommend reading this bit from Eric Foner on the matter. MLB: Project 32 (Complete), MLB: The Defunct Saga (Complete) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilSox Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 2 hours ago, SFGiants58 said: Racial reasons, mostly. It’s got the uncomfortable subtext of “when you’re gone, we’ll get back to abusing non-whites and codify an apartheid state in law.” There’s also a bit of “War of Northern Agression” and “States’ Rights” coloring the use of the term. It’s also a bit of hyperbole to compare a sports team’s operation to the abuses of Reconstruction. You're not wrong. But in fairness, we're talking about the distrust of an actual Yankee by residents of a former Confederate state. I'd say the use of carpetbagger borders on poetry here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 In sports lexicon, I always thought a "carpetbagger" was just someone from out-of-town that bought a team from some area that he didn't care about and who never made any effort to be a part of the community or make the team good, either because he was using it strictly as a money-making venture, or because he just wanted to be in the "owner's club" by any means necessary and didn't care about the team. Is that about right? I honestly never knew it meant anything outside of sports. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynasty Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 12 hours ago, EvilChameleon said: We should be seeing the 2019 All Star Game logo sometime this week, yes? Maybe even sometime this series. It'll probably just have imagery from the stadium or city. I can't imagine them using anything to do with _____ _____. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopard88 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 11 hours ago, BringBackTheVet said: In sports lexicon, I always thought a "carpetbagger" was just someone from out-of-town that bought a team from some area that he didn't care about and who never made any effort to be a part of the community or make the team good, either because he was using it strictly as a money-making venture, or because he just wanted to be in the "owner's club" by any means necessary and didn't care about the team. Is that about right? I honestly never knew it meant anything outside of sports. 1. You're correct regarding the sports usage. It's not a North-South thing at all in that context. 2. What?!?! You've never heard the original historic usage from the Reconstruction era? Most Liked Content of the Day -- February 15, 2017, August 21, 2017, August 22, 2017 ///// Proud Winner of the CCSLC Post of the Day Award -- April 8, 2008 Originator of the Upside Down Sarcasm Smilie -- November 1, 2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBGKon Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 22 hours ago, EvilChameleon said: We should be seeing the 2019 All Star Game logo sometime this week, yes? Maybe even sometime this series. Something including Tower City would be excellent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet1929 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Anyone else starting to get nervous about the impending reveal of the Player's Weekend uniforms? I keep logging on here and slightly sweating in anticipation of that moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSU151 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 22 hours ago, AstroBull21 said: Something including Tower City would be excellent... I have a weird feeling it'll be something around a baseball and a guitar. Smart is believing half of what you hear. Genius is knowing which half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tubby34 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 On 7/22/2018 at 11:23 AM, Gothamite said: I don’t know what internet poll you’re referring to, but you’re right. That makes no sense. It also has no relevance to Miami's reputation as a bad sports town. I believe it was this: https://www.ranker.com/list/cities-with-the-worst-sports-fans/the-round-mound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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