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NBA 2017-18: A Tale of Two Conferences

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3 hours ago, OaklandIsBack said:

LA moves Randle this season for expiring and a pick, then off season packages Deng, Ingram, and picks to clear cap space

 

Ball

Clarkson

George

James

?

 

Nance

Kuzma

Hart

Zubac

+ vets

 

thats not touching GS in a 7 game series

 

 

Houston has to gut their team and their future for LeBron, to still be #2 in the West

The Deng contract is the albatross.

$18M next year and $18.8M in 2019-20 is a LOT of cash for him. Buying him out does not help your future also.  Teams seem to want to give the finger to the Lakers just because.

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4 hours ago, dfwabel said:

The Deng contract is the albatross.

$18M next year and $18.8M in 2019-20 is a LOT of cash for him. Buying him out does not help your future also.  Teams seem to want to give the finger to the Lakers just because.

Probably the worst contract in the league, but if they call Chicago and offer Ingram, 1 maybe 2 firsts, and a couple 2nds to pay Deng for 2 years, do they hang up? 

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Just now, OaklandIsBack said:

Probably the worst contract in the league, but if they call Chicago and offer Ingram, 1 maybe 2 firsts, and a couple 2nds to pay Deng for 2 years, do they hang up? 

That would be moronically short-sighted for the Lakers as even Lebron and George aren't getting past the Warriors and I still believe in Ingram's potential to be a top 10 player.  And no, they would not hang up.

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35 minutes ago, OaklandIsBack said:

Probably the worst contract in the league, but if they call Chicago and offer Ingram, 1 maybe 2 firsts, and a couple 2nds to pay Deng for 2 years, do they hang up? 

No, the Portland contacts are worse, much worse...

 

Lilliard and CJ make up 50%  of the cap and spares make up another 32% (Turner, Harmless, Leonard) and a qualifying offer is due to Nurkic.

 

Portland is the worst with the cap...ALWAYS

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7 hours ago, Lights Out said:

Have you watched the Lakers play at all this year? Or any of the last few years, for that matter? LeBron would probably carry that team to the WCF since he's that good, but they'd just get swept (or, if they're lucky, gentlemen's swept) by Golden State and not make the Finals at all. Even with "Star #2."

 

Realistically, nobody's beating the Warriors for the next few years. LeBron might as well just stay in Cleveland where he can at least keep the Finals appearance streak going.

 

So everyone should just go home because the Warriors are just too good? Good thing the 2016 Cavs didn't take your advice.

 

LeBron has nothing to gain by staying in Cleveland. Talent-wise the team is on the way down no matter what he does. Clearly he doesn't like the playing there. He doesn't like the owner. The Cleveland lifer narrative is off the table. You really think he cares about a finals appearance streak? In Cleveland?

 

5 hours ago, ozzyman314 said:

Have you seen the Cavs defense? Yeah, Neither has anyone else. 

I'll give Lebron all the credit in the world, but between that & all the infighting going on with the team, they are seriously going to struggle against good if not better teams like The Celtics & Raptors. 

Barring some last minute blockbuster trade, The Cavs will be lucky to make the Easter Conference Finals.  

 

 

For the moment, Cleveland is still the deepest and most talented team in the conference. Toronto and Boston have yet to accomplish anything in the playoffs. Both teams got their asses handed to them by the Cavs last spring. After this season all bets are off, but for now, guilty until proven innocent.

 

1 hour ago, Kaz said:

That would be moronically short-sighted for the Lakers as even Lebron and George aren't getting past the Warriors and I still believe in Ingram's potential to be a top 10 player.  And no, they would not hang up.

 

Ingram's playing on an empty roster and can only muster 15ppg on middling percentages. He's getting out-balled by Kuzma, a rookie second-rounder. Top 10 player is not happening. He's more useful to the Lakers as trade bait.

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I really want to see where Anthony Davis ends up in a couple years via trade or free agency. Boston or Golden State?

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30 minutes ago, who do you think said:

For the moment, Cleveland is still the deepest and most talented team in the conference. Toronto and Boston have yet to accomplish anything in the playoffs. Both teams got their asses handed to them by the Cavs last spring. After this season all bets are off, but for now, guilty until proven innocent.

Sorry, what? 

Outside of Lebron, who do they have? IT? Love? Wade?

And Depth? What depth? 

Boston is winning games with their Bench players, Cleveland's getting their teeth kicked in with Lebron 

 

Trying to use what happened last year as a judgement for this year is just ludicrous So Much has changed since then. Especially between Boston & Cleveland. Cavs are in a death spiral.

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12 hours ago, ozzyman314 said:

Sorry, what? 

Outside of Lebron, who do they have? IT? Love? Wade?

And Depth? What depth? 

Boston is winning games with their Bench players, Cleveland's getting their teeth kicked in with Lebron 

 

Trying to use what happened last year as a judgement for this year is just ludicrous So Much has changed since then. Especially between Boston & Cleveland. Cavs are in a death spiral.

 

How are people still taking the NBA regular season as gospel in 2018?

 

Cleveland's depth includes Thompson, Rose, Korver, and Green. If Smith and Crowder get their act together in time for the playoffs there's two more (and if they can't, they'll be bumped from the playoff rotation and that will be that). Terry Rozier having a couple of big games in January doesn't mean anything. People will figure out him out in due time, then he'll be right back to being the 8th man. Tatum already gets star-struck in big games, over/under on the amount of 0-fers he puts up in his first playoffs in this year?

 

Every year it's the same old s*** (unless you're a true goliath like Golden State). Repeat contenders become old hat and people need to talk up somebody new. The incumbent team is getting old, they're losing regular season games to bad teams, reports of locker room tension leak out, oh god they're in a death spiral, this new young team is gonna steal the show, prepare your anus, blah blah blah. And then playoff time comes and the experienced veteran team wins again while the team that everyone crowned in February sputters out. Then everyone whines about lack of parity and, barring major offseason upgrades by somebody in the race, the cycle repeats. Still waiting for those Clippers to take that next step. Guilty until proven innocent.

 

Cleveland has the same record after 50 games that they did in 2015, by the way.

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9 hours ago, who do you think said:

 

How are people still taking the NBA regular season as gospel in 2018?

 

Cleveland's depth includes Thompson, Rose, Korver, and Green. If Smith and Crowder get their act together in time for the playoffs there's two more (and if they can't, they'll be bumped from the playoff rotation and that will be that). Terry Rozier having a couple of big games in January doesn't mean anything. People will figure out him out in due time, then he'll be right back to being the 8th man. Tatum already gets star-struck in big games, over/under on the amount of 0-fers he puts up in his first playoffs in this year?

 

Every year it's the same old s*** (unless you're a true goliath like Golden State). Repeat contenders become old hat and people need to talk up somebody new. The incumbent team is getting old, they're losing regular season games to bad teams, reports of locker room tension leak out, oh god they're in a death spiral, this new young team is gonna steal the show, prepare your anus, blah blah blah. And then playoff time comes and the experienced veteran team wins again while the team that everyone crowned in February sputters out. Then everyone whines about lack of parity and, barring major offseason upgrades by somebody in the race, the cycle repeats. Still waiting for those Clippers to take that next step. Guilty until proven innocent.

 

Cleveland has the same record after 50 games that they did in 2015, by the way.

Cleveland also have a vastly worse team then they did in 2015, plus tougher competition in the East. 

Outside of Lebron, Boston, Toronto, hell even The Bucks have more talent than the Cavs. 

What happened last year, or the year before that doesn't matter at all. What matters is how the team looks now, and Right now Cleveland looks really bad. 

 

There's absolutely no reason to think they're going to "magically" turn around and beat better teams come the playoffs. Where's that defence going to come from to stop a good offense like Toronto? IT?  Plus no team wins anything when they have all that infighting, with Lebron on his way out, that's not going to change anytime soon. 

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Cavs are playing half speed and not practicing. The only time they play together is on the court. Their whole goal is to save as much energy as possible for the playoffs. Right now, they're getting by (or not) on talent alone and Ty Lue is dicking around with NBA 2K lineups for fun.

 

I was going to say the Lakers had a great win tonight, but they almost threw away a 10-point lead in the last 90 seconds. Ingram had a great first 10.5 minutes of the fourth until he bricked two free throws that would have made the game a lot less exciting.

 

People rip on Randle a lot, but I like that he wants to close out games when a lot of his teammates seem ready to panic.

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16 hours ago, ozzyman314 said:

Cleveland also have a vastly worse team then they did in 2015, plus tougher competition in the East. 

Outside of Lebron, Boston, Toronto, hell even The Bucks have more talent than the Cavs. 

What happened last year, or the year before that doesn't matter at all. What matters is how the team looks now, and Right now Cleveland looks really bad. 

 

I didn't realize the NBA playoffs were moved up to February.

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On 2/3/2018 at 7:10 PM, dfwabel said:

No, the Portland contacts are worse, much worse...

 

Lilliard and CJ make up 50%  of the cap and spares make up another 32% (Turner, Harmless, Leonard) and a qualifying offer is due to Nurkic.

 

Portland is the worst with the cap...ALWAYS

 

New Orleans is really bad, too. They have both Davis and Cousins and I think Jrue Holiday is still the top paid guy by quite a bit. He's the 6th highest paid point guard in the league and he's nowhere near that level of production. 

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The Cavs were just outscored 24-9 in the fourth in Orlando. They were up 16 at the half and lost by 18.

 

If I were LeBron I'd get "injured" and call it a career in Cleveland.

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Maybe we'll actually get a different finals this year. Houston or OKC vs. Boston or Toronto........eh probably not :(

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3 minutes ago, Wings said:

Maybe we'll actually get a different finals this year. Houston or OKC vs. Boston or Toronto........eh probably not :(

 

There's a reason it's rare for teams to make a Finals more than three years in a row. It's a ton of extra miles and people get exhausted. The 80s Lakers and 2010s Heat made four Finals in a row, but those Lakers had an all-time roster and the Heat had LeBron.

 

The Warriors can probably flip a switch, but it also wouldn't be surprising if Steph got injured, Draymond fell apart, and Houston was able to catch them.

 

If Hayward comes back, I think it's Boston. If not, probably Toronto.

 

If Cleveland is able to dump three of four of IT, TT, Shumpert and JR, then maybe it's a different story. Times like these would be really helpful to have a GM, I bet. And if I were Gilbert -- who wants to sell the Cavs and buy the Pistons -- I'd say :censored: it and go all in. Trade what you can, including the pick, see if you can get DJ, Clarkson, Lou Williams, Tyreke Evans, Avery Bradley or whatever, and make a legit run at it. James is getting TFO no matter what, Lue isn't/shouldn't be coming back, and 2018-19 looks like a good time to blow it up anyway.

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22 minutes ago, Wings said:

Maybe we'll actually get a different finals this year. Houston or OKC vs. Boston or Toronto........eh probably not :(

 

That royally sucks. Such a fun player to watch.

 

But, really, who replaces him from the East?

 

Blake Griffin?

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Hayward is 100% done for the season. 

Danny Ainge trying to get 1 year rental for Monroe, and/or Lou & Tyreke all but confirms it. 

Celtics have still proven they're a legit championship contender without him though. Those moves will only help them.  

 

I think it's all but guaranteed we have a new team representing The East. Likely either Boston or Toronto. 

As I've said before, barring some blockbuster trade deal, Cavs are just done. No :censored:ing way the beat That Celtics defense, or Raptors offense. The team clearly doesn't give a crap anymore, and knows :censored:s getting blown up when the season ends. 

 

The West still belongs to The Dubs, but Houston has proven to be a legit threat to them. Though that could change come playoff time.  

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My hot take is that Houston/OKC has a better shot at winning their conference than Cleveland does. Still not the most likely outcome, but....

 

Increasingly high on Toronto coming out of the East after they beat down the Celtics last night. No one else in the East has their depth, and not sure Monroe alone will save Boston's second-unit offense or lack thereof.

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