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NBA 2017-18: A Tale of Two Conferences

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Cleveland has a brand new team with functional PGs, energy bench guys and no more Jae Crowder, who had given them nothing. I'm speechless.

 

Bummer that Wade's gone. He's been great for the Cavs.

 

I don't know about IT in LA. Maybe he gets some space to clear his head. Lonzo seems to be out indefinitely so he'll at least get consistent playing time. Does he move to the 2 when Ball gets back?

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I expected Hood and Johnson to be gone, so I’m not surprised. What I am surprised about though is that Rose and Crowder were the haul.  Not in a bad or good way, just sort of “huh” about it.

 

I’m optimistic that Quin Snyder can maximize their talent* like he’s so good at doing. Maybe that’s what Dennis Lindsey thought too, I don’t know. We’ll see how this turns out. I should note that in the case of Crowder, I was REALLY hoping the Jazz could’ve landed him last off-season so there’s that.

 

*In the case of Rose, at least as much as Snyder can maximize with whatever’s left in the tank and when he’s ever on the court.

 

EDIT: Looks like Rose isn’t staying, so..

 

 

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3 minutes ago, who do you think said:

You're either trolling or biased beyond belief.

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Relax, sheesh. 

 

Even if they got better, it's still somewhat funny they sold off nearly half their team at the deadline. 

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The Cavs moves are frustrating to me on several levels. First off, why would a teams like Utah, Sacramento, and the Lakers even make those deals in the first place? I get the whole "tanking" thing or even the waiting till next year thing, but none of what they got in return is actually going to be that beneficial to them. So there's that side of it. Teams seem to be just giving the Cavs pieces for just about nothing in return. But another element to this, that is probably even more frustrating to me, is that none of these guys really even give Cleveland that much better of a shot, either. Sure, it clears up a good chunk of the dysfunction and allows them to simultaneously get more well-rounded as a team. But there's no way this is enough to compete with any of the big contenders from the west, especially the Warriors. I don't even think it puts them up above Boston or Toronto, even. 

 

And, correct me if I'm wrong, this also means they can't trade that Nets pick now, right? 

 

Just... Why? I guess it's a case of them having to do something, but was all that really that much of an upgrade? I still think Lebron is gone no matter what. 

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12 minutes ago, ozzyman314 said:

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Relax, sheesh. 

 

Even if they got better, it's still somewhat funny they sold off nearly half their team at the deadline. 

It tells me they're planning for LeBron to be gone and want to at least be semi-competitive once that happens. Or maybe Gilbert sells and someone else takes over the team. I don't think the latter is happening though. 

 

1 minute ago, Bucfan56 said:

The Cavs moves are frustrating to me on several levels. First off, why would a teams like Utah, Sacramento, and the Lakers even make those deals in the first place? I get the whole "tanking" thing or even the waiting till next year thing, but none of what they got in return is actually going to be that beneficial to them. So there's that side of it. Teams seem to be just giving the Cavs pieces for just about nothing in return. But another element to this, that is probably even more frustrating to me, is that none of these guys really even give Cleveland that much better of a shot, either. Sure, it clears up a good chunk of the dysfunction and allows them to simultaneously get more well-rounded as a team. But there's no way this is enough to compete with any of the big contenders from the west, especially the Warriors. I don't even think it puts them up above Boston or Toronto, even. 

 

And, correct me if I'm wrong, this also means they can't trade that Nets puck now, right? 

 

Just... Why?

That Nets pick is the one they've been trying to hold on to which is why these types of deals were made today. They are 3rd in the East, should most likely make it to the Eastern Finals and that means they'd be even further away from top talent coming in through the draft. Dwayne Wade is done and he's doing Cleveland a solid and going to a team that still could use a veteran presence on the team. What these trades say more than anything else is that Boston got Kyrie Irving almost for free. With Love hopefully coming back in 6 weeks or less Cleveland will still have a big man that can hit threes as well as be the muscle inside against most larger bodies. 

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6 minutes ago, MJWalker45 said:

It tells me they're planning for LeBron to be gone and want to at least be semi-competitive once that happens. Or maybe Gilbert sells and someone else takes over the team. I don't think the latter is happening though. 

my thoughts exactly. 

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I think this all makes a lot of sense for Cleveland -- besides getting rid of the obvious dead wood, they ought to have a functional backcourt for the first time this season. If/when LBJ bolts, they at least have some decent young talent to build around.  it isn't a clear rebalancing of the Eastern Conference power hierarchy but it's better than where they were before.

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Cleveland had to do something.  That team was drowning.  Of course, the best-case scenario is probably a loss in the finals.

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17 minutes ago, Bucfan56 said:

The Cavs moves are frustrating to me on several levels. First off, why would a teams like Utah, Sacramento, and the Lakers even make those deals in the first place? I get the whole "tanking" thing or even the waiting till next year thing, but none of what they got in return is actually going to be that beneficial to them. So there's that side of it. Teams seem to be just giving the Cavs pieces for just about nothing in return. But another element to this, that is probably even more frustrating to me, is that none of these guys really even give Cleveland that much better of a shot, either. Sure, it clears up a good chunk of the dysfunction and allows them to simultaneously get more well-rounded as a team. But there's no way this is enough to compete with any of the big contenders from the west, especially the Warriors. I don't even think it puts them up above Boston or Toronto, even. 

 

And, correct me if I'm wrong, this also means they can't trade that Nets pick now, right? 

 

Just... Why? I guess it's a case of them having to do something, but was all that really that much of an upgrade? I still think Lebron is gone no matter what. 

 

> The Lakers did this to purely to clear Clarkson's contract and create additional cap space for this summer. They have room to sign two max players free-and-clear. The on-court product for the remainder of this season is irrelevant.

 

> Sacramento had Hill on the hook for 3 years and $20-something million a season, and saw a chance to get out from under it. Granted they were the ones who signed him in the first place, probably under some delusion that him, Randolph, Vince Carter's corpse, and the remnants of the Cousins trade could help them contend for a playoff spot or something, but that clearly wasn't happening so time to move on.

 

> As for Utah, Hood was gone this summer and apparently they tried to get Jae Crowder last summer and he's under contract for a few more seasons, so I guess they see something in him.

 

> The Cavs turned IT (cancer, selfish offensive player, defensive liability), Shumpert (dead weight), Crowder (cancer, dead weight), Rose (whatever), and Frye (dead weight) into:

 

George Hill (good defender, great 3-point shooter, doesn't need the ball to be effective)

Rodney Hood (solid scorer and great 3-point shooter, basically a hard upgrade on J.R. Smith at this point)

Larry Nance Jr. (athletic big who isn't really polished but should at least bring some energy on defense, again doesn't need the ball to be effective)

Jordan Clarkson (whatever, similar skillset to IT but at least he's used to playing a complementary role and won't try to make everything about him)

 

The team Cleveland had yesterday had enough talent and enough pedigree to get their act together in time for the playoffs, but this trade makes them a lot better. Hill and Hood are two bombers from deep that they did not have before. A lineup with them, LeBron, Love and Thompson/Nance can hang with whatever Golden State throws at them. Swap out the center for Korver or Smith and there's your five shooters lineup.

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I think Nance in the playoffs has the potential to be a lot of fun.

 

Cleveland turned into a new and significantly better team, all without sacrificing that Nets pick. I'm really impressed.

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2 hours ago, OnWis97 said:

Weren't all indications out of Boston that Isaiah Thomas was a great guy?  Then he gets to Cleveland and becomes a cancer?  I'm probably missing something from his Boston days.

 

I'm pretty sure he still is, but I think he had to "play" his way out of Cleveland. I think we all knew he was never go to mesh with LeBron anywhere near the way Kyrie did. 

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1 hour ago, FinsUp1214 said:

*In the case of Rose, at least as much as Snyder can maximize with whatever’s left in the tank and when he’s ever on the court.

 

D Rose is expecting to be bought out. Odds are he's heading to Minnesota.

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2 hours ago, ozzyman314 said:

Even if they got better, it's still somewhat funny they sold off nearly half their team at the deadline. 


That was the point.

I just LOVE the moves that the Cavs made. Unload the dysfunctional pieces/trash and got three studs in return, two of whom are young guys (and Nance) that set us up for the coming rebuild too, all that without giving up the Nets pick!

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I don't know how I feel about this trade.

 

On one hand, I think IT is going to be pretty good in the Lakers' system, but I really hate losing JC and Nance. I really liked both players.

 

EDIT: I'm also seeing that because of this trade, people are saying that the Lakers have the cap space to sign two max deals AND to keep Randle as well. If that's the case, then I'm all for this trade. 

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The Nets pick is a half-game from being a guaranteed top-six pick in a draft where there are six really good prospects available. A game out from having the best odds at No. 1. That pick has more value than any player the Cavs could've traded it for, and I'm glad they held onto it. I think that the Cavs have actually positioned themselves decently for LeBron heading into this summer, too -- it's now hard to argue that it's only downhill from here. If this team is able to get back to the Finals, I think it shows that this is still (for all its faults) his best shot.

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1 minute ago, crashcarson15 said:

The Nets pick is a half-game from being a guaranteed top-six pick in a draft where there are six really good prospects available. A game out from having the best odds at No. 1. That pick has more value than any player the Cavs could've traded it for, and I'm glad they held onto it. I think that the Cavs have actually positioned themselves decently for LeBron heading into this summer, too -- it's now hard to argue that it's only downhill from here. If this team is able to get back to the Finals, I think it shows that this is still (for all its faults) his best shot.

And does he really want to deal with Golden State that many times before the Western Conference Finals? Granted, I think after next year Golden State may finally have to start cutting salary.  That deal with Rakuten is pretty big ($6o mil a year I believe) but eventually players wan't paid instead of putting money aside for the greater good of the team. It reminds me of the Indians from 1994-1998, eventually you can't afford to keep everyone and someone's going to walk out. 

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I'm not a hardcore NBA fan by any means so take this with a grain of salt, but the Cavs' moves feel, to me, like they were made without consulting Lebron and/or with the idea he will be moving on this summer. Lebron likes to play with his buddies and shipping D-Wade back to Miami, gutting a team Lebron had a hand in putting together and replacing it with an arguably better team over the course of a day were moves that were good for the team, not necessarily good for keeping Lebron happy. I could be way off base, but that's what all of the movement feels like in my kinda-half-sorta-NBA following opinion.

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