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15 hours ago, FinsUp1214 said:

 

I wonder if Morris’ big-game heroics were a big push for him? I’m not as put off by him being in, but I personally would’ve voted Ted Simmons in well before him.

 

Big-game heroics have always been a factor for guys on the Veteran's Committee/"____ Era" ballots:

 

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He's another guy who probably shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame.

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If you tried to make the Stanton trade in a video game the computer would deny the trade on grounds of one-sidedness. That Jeter basically farmed him to his old team for nothing really grosses me out. I'm not saying it was a scheme to get an MVP on the Yankees, they don't really need to scheme to make that happen, but if it was they wouldn't have done anything differently. 

 

 

 

Alan Trammell is very similar to Barry Larkin so no argument from me. Jack Morris isn't a hall of famer and I think he got in because of voter fatigue. It's the same reason Art Monk is in the pro football hall of fame. The voters were tired of talking about him. 

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I hadn’t seen the terms of the Stanton deal until this morning. Wow, that’s a bad deal. I have a terribly hard time believing that was the best Miami could get for him.

 

If I’m the Marlins, I’m asking for Sanchez or someone of that caliber, not Starlin Castro. You want our MVP? You gotta give up something really valuable to get him. Otherwise I’m hanging up the phone. Castro, the no. 9 prospect and an unranked prospect (unranked!) is an atrocious haul for an MVP.

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1 minute ago, FinsUp1214 said:

I hadn’t seen the terms of the Stanton deal until this morning. Wow, that’s a bad deal. I have a terribly hard time believing that was the best Miami could get for him.

 

If I’m the Marlins, I’m asking for Sanchez or someone of that caliber, not Starlin Castro. You want our MVP? You gotta give up something really valuable to get him. Otherwise I’m hanging up the phone. Castro, the no. 9 prospect and an unranked prospect (unranked!) is an atrocious haul for an MVP.

The Yankees get what they want so many times for unreal prices it's sickening at this point.  They'll top the AL for years to come, and it will be sickening.

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It's almost as if the new owner of the Marlins has some sort of special attachment to the Yankees. 

 

Like he was a former player for them or something. 

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I bet the Yankees STILL don't win a title with Stanton. Don't get me wrong, this was a downright terrible trade for the Marlins and they might as well just contract them at this point. But, I'm still not sold on Aaron Judge's future keeping up this pace (look at his strikeout numbers. Even with the homers it was still, like, historically bad), and I kinda get this hunch that Stanton won't stay healthy. 

 

The Yankees have tried this kind of stuff before and found it didn't really work out that well in terms of expectations. 

 

But yeah, :censored: the Marlins. I'd take the Cleveland Browns over that joke of a baseball team at this point. 

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2 hours ago, FinsUp1214 said:

I have a terribly hard time believing that was the best Miami could get for him.

 

 

It's not. It's the best they could get from a team Stanton was willing to play fo.r

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3 hours ago, FinsUp1214 said:

I hadn’t seen the terms of the Stanton deal until this morning. Wow, that’s a bad deal. I have a terribly hard time believing that was the best Miami could get for him.

 

If I’m the Marlins, I’m asking for Sanchez or someone of that caliber, not Starlin Castro. You want our MVP? You gotta give up something really valuable to get him. Otherwise I’m hanging up the phone. Castro, the no. 9 prospect and an unranked prospect (unranked!) is an atrocious haul for an MVP.

Its not the fact that its the best the Marlins could get for him....Mike Stanton (I'll choose to call him by his name that he came up to the Majors with) had the no trade clause and he could waive for specific teams. 

 

If he truly wanted out (no matter how good he is), what would you rather have...a cancer who could spoil your team dynamic or not?

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Fully aware of the trade clause. I still don’t believe that’s the best deal the Marlins could get out of the Yankees.

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I think Stanton said he would only waive his NTC for four teams - Houston, Los Angeles, New York, and...somebody (Boston?). 

 

Houston wouldn't take on that contract. Neither would Andrew Friedman's Dodgers. This really did fall into the  Yankees' lap.

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One-word description of the Stanton deal? Fleeced. Either that, or collusion.

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3 hours ago, Kramerica Industries said:

I think Stanton said he would only waive his NTC for four teams - Houston, Los Angeles, New York, and...somebody (Boston?). 

 

Houston wouldn't take on that contract. Neither would Andrew Friedman's Dodgers. This really did fall into the  Yankees' lap.

The fourth team was the Cubs.

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Yankees just dumped Chase Headley's $13M salary on the Padres (Headley and Bryan Mitchell for up-and-down OF Jabari Blash, who I bet will never once play for the Yanks). The Yankees' payroll basically stands in the same exact spot that it did a week ago. Headley and Castro, combined, were due about $23.8M. Stanton is due $25M, but the luxury tax hit is only $22M, as the Marlins will pay $30M of his remaining contract should Stanton not opt-out in 2020 (and the luxury tax rules assume he will not).

 

So the Yankees just added Giancarlo Stanton (and likely opened up two additional 40-man roster spots - Headley and Mitchell - assuming the Yanks DFA or trade the random outfielder they got back from the Pads) without taking any luxury tax hit in the year 2018.

 

I would imagine that this Headley deal is a prelude to some further action for the Yankees this offseason, whether it be adding a starting pitcher and/or an infielder. I think - and hope - we will see Gleyber Torres move into a starting role at 2B or 3B at some point in 2018, but he won't be on the Opening Day roster. I'd expect the Yanks are going to seek to fill one of those positions with a one-year contract for a veteran, and then have Torreyes hold down the other position with the intention of having Torres take it over midseason.

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The Headley trade pisses me off more than the Stanton trade. The Marlins were going to dump payroll. NY(AL) lucked into Stanton because Gift Baskets has no idea what he's doing.

 

But this trade makes no sense for the Padres. They are one of the cheapest teams in the league. Why are they helping NY(AL) dump payroll? Headley is garbage. Bryan Mitchell isn't good enough or even young enough that taking on Headley's $13 million contract makes sense.

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On 12/11/2017 at 9:57 AM, McCarthy said:

Alan Trammell is very similar to Barry Larkin so no argument from me. Jack Morris isn't a hall of famer and I think he got in because of voter fatigue. It's the same reason Art Monk is in the pro football hall of fame. The voters were tired of talking about him. 

Could have stuck with baseball and Jim Rice. People can only be told to LOOK AT THE FACKIN' NUMBAHS, CHIEF for so long.

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6 hours ago, cmm said:

The Headley trade pisses me off more than the Stanton trade. The Marlins were going to dump payroll. NY(AL) lucked into Stanton because Gift Baskets has no idea what he's doing.

 

But this trade makes no sense for the Padres. They are one of the cheapest teams in the league. Why are they helping NY(AL) dump payroll? Headley is garbage. Bryan Mitchell isn't good enough or even young enough that taking on Headley's $13 million contract makes sense.

 

The Padres are basically Marlins West minus the two flukey World Series titles. You can dump them in the middle of the ocean along with the Marlins and the world would probably be better off. 

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No-trade clauses are the absolute riskiest things you can put in a player's contract.  It gives them so much leverage, and you end up in situations where you're not going to get a good package when you're looking to dump a huge contract.  

 

I get that 10-5 rights aren't going away any time soon, but maybe the owners should try to get the union to agree to ban no-trade clauses from future contracts.  It's one reason that the players are bigger than the teams in some cases.

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And the Pitcher/DH the Angels signed has a torn UCL. 

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