SFGiants58 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 7 hours ago, Bucfan56 said: 2012 me is so excited for this Giants roster. Well, 2012 me would be complaining about why Longo was needed and that the Giants should still give Gary Brown a shot. As for the trade itself: I guess that acquiring these guys is better than trotting out the Gorkys Hernandez and the gang (i.e., Parker, Williamson, etc.). It's not amazing, but it's a mild upgrade. MLB: Project 32 (Complete), MLB: The Defunct Saga (Complete) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynasty Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 I guess the Giants don't want to rebuild just yet. However, I don't think these moves will have any significant impact on them and I don't think it will be enough to compete with the Dodgers, Rockies and Diamondbacks in the division. Not to mention that most of the team is pretty old. But who knows, I didn't expect them to win three titles within five years either. The Pirates though, I guess the Reds are gonna have to make room in that NL Central cellar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo_prankster Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Trevor Hoffman has just been enshrined in to Cooperstown. The Fictional Story of Austus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Now that Jim Thome has been voted in, I wonder if the Phillies retire #25. He obviously played most of his career elsewhere, but he did play an important role in the Phillies turnaround and to a lot of people is recognized as the face of the new-feeling of Phillies baseball. His signing represented that 1) star players were willing to come here, 2) the Phillies were willing to spend money and not act like a small or mid-market club, and 3) Phillies games at the new park (opening the year or two after he signed) were going to be events. He meant a lot to the franchise, albeit not nearly as much as players that actually carried them to a championship and will have no chance of having their # retired. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Vlad better go in as an Expo. One last one. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 hour ago, BringBackTheVet said: Now that Jim Thome has been voted in, I wonder if the Phillies retire #25. ehhh ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFGiants58 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, the admiral said: Vlad better go in as an Angel. The first one (although it should have been Nolan Ryan or Rod Carew). That's better. MLB: Project 32 (Complete), MLB: The Defunct Saga (Complete) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 minute ago, SFGiants58 said: That's better. 4 minutes ago, the admiral said: ehhh ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFGiants58 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 18 minutes ago, the admiral said: ehhh He won his MVP with the Angels and entered the best phase of his career with them. It's ridiculous that the Angels (the oldest expansion team, along with the Rangers) haven't had one player wear their cap in Cooperstown (despite Nolan Ryan being at his best with them and Rod Carew being on poor terms with the Twins' brass for years), and the Expos have plenty of players already enshrined (Carter, Dawson, and Raines). Let the Angels have this one guy. MLB: Project 32 (Complete), MLB: The Defunct Saga (Complete) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 The Angels will get Trout. But that is an interesting parallel with the Rangers. They're very similar franchises, the nouveau-riche of baseball. Guerrero played over 1,000 games as an Expo, over which time he distinguished himself as the kind of singular player the Angels would buy from someone else. I think it would add a lot more to the Expos mystique to have four players enshrined with the swirly M of controversy. It's a very defiant reminder of Montreal baseball, I guess. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shumway Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 As an Angels fan, I'd be thrilled if Vlad went in as an Angel, but I'd also have no issue if he went in as an Expo. I don't know if I can really pick which he should go in as. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFGiants58 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, the admiral said: The Angels will get Trout. But that is an interesting parallel with the Rangers. They're very similar franchises, the nouveau-riche of baseball. Guerrero played over 1,000 games as an Expo, over which time he distinguished himself as the kind of singular player the Angels would buy from someone else. I think it would add a lot more to the Expos mystique to have four players enshrined with the swirly M of controversy. But that's not for many years. Mike Scioscia will probably be the first (if you're a manager long enough and you win a World Series, you're getting in the Hall), I also enjoy your casual dig at the Angels' misadventures in free agency. I'm still Angels-centric with Vlad, but Vlad with the "eMb" isn't as objectionable as I originally indicated. It's not as off-putting as using a Padres hat on Ozzie Smith or a Reds hat on Junior. I get wanting to promote the Expos in the Hall as a way to shame baseball for letting the market fall into disrepair (with help from the PQ, Montreal/Quebec government, and the Blue Jays). It's a fun little trick. MLB: Project 32 (Complete), MLB: The Defunct Saga (Complete) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 41 minutes ago, the admiral said: The Angels will get Trout. But that is an interesting parallel with the Rangers. They're very similar franchises, the nouveau-riche of baseball. Guerrero played over 1,000 games as an Expo, over which time he distinguished himself as the kind of singular player the Angels would buy from someone else. I think it would add a lot more to the Expos mystique to have four players enshrined with the swirly M of controversy. It's a very defiant reminder of Montreal baseball, I guess. Trout will go in as a Phillie. I have little doubt that he’s going to find a way to make it happen. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I picked a great year to go to Cooperstown. Watching my boyhood idol go into the Hall of Fame. With Chipper, Thome and Vlad. I’m ecstatic to watch them get enshrined! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kroywen Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Montreal: .323/.390/.588, 1004 G, 4220 PA, 1215 H, 234 HR, 702 RBI, 34.6 bWAR Anaheim: .319/.381/.546, 846 G, 3606 PA, 1034 H, 173 HR, 616 RBI, 22.8 bWAR Sorry, Anaheim. But if it makes you feel any better, you have plenty of more years to rack up some Hall of Famers, and have a surefire HOFer in his mid-20s right now. The Expos... do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lights Out Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 As an Expos fan, I obviously hope Vlad goes in as an Expo. But I'm just happy he made it into Cooperstown, period. He should have been in last year. He was just a tremendous baseball player. It might be a longshot, but I'm hoping Larry Walker gets in soon so we can get one more Expo in the Hall - at least until the team comes back and starts producing more HOFers. I'm also happy that Hoffman got in. Yes, the hardcore sabremetrics crowd says that no closers should be in at all. Even the more closer-friendly statheads say that his case was too reliant on saves (a flawed stat) and he wasn't quite as dominant as Billy Wagner or Mariano Rivera. I get the arguments, but San Diego sports fans have had so much go wrong for them that they deserve something good for once. POTD: 2/4/12 3/4/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnWis97 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 12 hours ago, SFGiants58 said: 12 hours ago, SFGiants58 said: He won his MVP with the Angels and entered the best phase of his career with them. It's ridiculous that the Angels (the oldest expansion team, along with the Rangers) haven't had one player wear their cap in Cooperstown (despite Nolan Ryan being at his best with them and Rod Carew being on poor terms with the Twins' brass for years), and the Expos have plenty of players already enshrined (Carter, Dawson, and Raines). Let the Angels have this one guy. You think Rod Carew should go in as an Angel? https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/carewro01.shtml Seasons: 12 (MIN), 7 (CAL) Batting Titles: 7(MIN), 0 (CAL) MVP: 1 (MIN), 0 (CAL) Top Ten MVP Voting: 6 (MIN), 0 (CAL) Postseason appearances: 2 (MIN), 2 (CAL) Disclaimer: If this comment is about an NBA uniform from 2017-2018 or later, do not constitute a lack of acknowledgement of the corporate logo to mean anything other than "the corporate logo is terrible and makes the uniform significantly worse." BADGERS TWINS VIKINGS TIMBERWOLVES WILD POTD (Shared) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFGiants58 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, OnWis97 said: You think Rod Carew should go in as an Angel? https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/carewro01.shtml Seasons: 12 (MIN), 7 (CAL) Batting Titles: 7(MIN), 0 (CAL) MVP: 1 (MIN), 0 (CAL) Top Ten MVP Voting: 6 (MIN), 0 (CAL) Postseason appearances: 2 (MIN), 2 (CAL) Calvin Griffith was a cheap, racist bastard (why do you people have a statue of him?) who drove Carew away with his cheapness and racist attitudes. If only for those reasons, I think Angels might fit him more than Twins (like Dave Winfield fitting the Padres more than the Yankees). Stats wise, going in as a Twin is better and ultimately a better call (batting title numbers). MLB: Project 32 (Complete), MLB: The Defunct Saga (Complete) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnWis97 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 15 minutes ago, SFGiants58 said: Calvin Griffith was a cheap, racist bastard (why do you people have a statue of him?) who drove Carew away with his cheapness and racist attitudes. If only for those reasons, I think Angels might fit him more than Twins (like Dave Winfield fitting the Padres more than the Yankees). Stats wise, going in as a Twin is better and ultimately a better call (batting title numbers). I think it was Carew's call (Correct me if I'm wrong but it was up to the player until Wade Boggs tried to go in as a Devil Ray?) Carew himself has stated your first line. I think it was his and Winfield's call. But which team better fits Winfield is not as cut and dry (A quick glance shows eight years in SD and nine in NY). I just don't think there's any denying that Carew's "fame" came primarily in Minnesota. If he'd chosen to go in as an Angel, that could be respected, but it's hard to complain that he's in as a Twin. Disclaimer: If this comment is about an NBA uniform from 2017-2018 or later, do not constitute a lack of acknowledgement of the corporate logo to mean anything other than "the corporate logo is terrible and makes the uniform significantly worse." BADGERS TWINS VIKINGS TIMBERWOLVES WILD POTD (Shared) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalieboy82 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 hour ago, SFGiants58 said: Calvin Griffith was a cheap, racist bastard (why do you people have a statue of him?) who drove Carew away with his cheapness and racist attitudes. If only for those reasons, I think Angels might fit him more than Twins (like Dave Winfield fitting the Padres more than the Yankees). Stats wise, going in as a Twin is better and ultimately a better call (batting title numbers). speaking of which: a friend of mine did this (one of the producers). so long and thanks for all the fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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