4_tattoos Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 5 hours ago, TheGrimReaper said: USC used to site for basketball until 2006. The Galaxy are owned by AEG, LAFC by the owner of the Warriors/Dodgers. Both have very deep pockets. It was just a matter of timing. So if Galaxy waited a few more years, they might have been able to build on the site? Assuming of course that it was known within the LA area that USC was going to leave that old arena. If so, seems like being patient could have prevented LAFC from ever coming into existence. Hotter Than July > Thriller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 6 hours ago, 4_tattoos said: So if Galaxy waited a few more years, they might have been able to build on the site? Assuming of course that it was known within the LA area that USC was going to leave that old arena. If so, seems like being patient could have prevented LAFC from ever coming into existence. Not necessarily as StubHub Center broke ground in 2002. Try to follow. 1-The land is owned by the state of California and overseen on the state's behalf by the California Science Center (6th Agriculture District). 2-The state turned over operations to the L.A. Coliseum Commission, who had leases with the state since 1956. The commission is a JPA with city, county, and state appointees. http://lamcc.lacounty.gov/ 3- The Coliseum Commission made a sublease with USC in 2013* in which USC manages the Coliseum and then standing Sports Arena properties through 2054 when the Commission dissolves and afterwards. This occurred because in 2011, the Coliseum Commission admitted that they didn't have any cash reserves to honor $60M in renovations previously promised to USC. USC first tried to gain the master lease in 2007, but were rebuffed. 4-USC, now with land control, made a third sublease with LAFC for a stadium on the former Sports Arena site. *-2013 was when the control of the land occurred. During the process, AEG was still busy with Farmers Field plus there were filings to put the company up for sale as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted July 8, 2018 Author Share Posted July 8, 2018 And LA would have had a second club regardless. It’s too tempting to have local rivals in markets like that one, as in New York. If not in that location, then elsewhere. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sykotyk Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Even after USC stopped using LA Sports Arena, the arena still was used for some things before it was determined that it had NO use whatsoever with so many other arena options for events, concerts, conventions, etc. The other thing is, LAG had no real incentive to wait. At the time, MLS just needed teams in their own venues. And that usually meant well outside the downtown core. LAG probably wouldn't have survived without huge losses if they had to keep playing elsewhere (Rose Bowl, Coliseum, or some other venue) until now to get a venue. And, at the time, Carson was the only real option to get it built. The problem is it's 20-30 years until they can move to somewhere better after building StubHub. So, they're stuck now. LAG's best hope, is over the next decade, is to really entrench themselves as being the south/east/suburban team while LAFC aims for LAFC proper and west/north/northwest for support and get more of a cultural split along those lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still MIGHTY Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 13 hours ago, Gothamite said: And LA would have had a second club regardless. It’s too tempting to have local rivals in markets like that one, as in New York. If not in that location, then elsewhere. Yup. Chivas USA would probably still come in. Would they share this hypothetical DTLA Galaxy stadium or go to the other option of San Diego? idk. Chivas would suffer the same fate regardless, I think. If the Galaxy are in DTLA, maybe MLS explores Orange County for the second area team? Maybe they actually go to San Diego? Who knows? I'm not sure where they'd put a new SSS in OC. I know LAFC briefly explored the idea. They're investing in academy fields by the old Tustin air hangars/fields. (The Angels briefly looked into that space as well.) Orange County SC (LAFC's USL affiliate) play in a new, but small, soccer stadium at the Great Park in Irvine. Anyways, all hypotheticals and ifs/ands/buts. There was always going to be a second LA-area team. The where would be secondary. | ANA | LAA | LAR | LAL | ASU | CSULB | USMNT | USWNT | LAFC | OCSC | MAN UTD | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted July 9, 2018 Author Share Posted July 9, 2018 Maybe Orange County, but San Diego never counts as a second LA team. That would not have been a solution. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still MIGHTY Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 4 hours ago, Gothamite said: Maybe Orange County, but San Diego never counts as a second LA team. That would not have been a solution. Well yeah, I know that. I'm just thinking of keeping local rivalries. San Diego would work just as well. Not the same, but it'd work. | ANA | LAA | LAR | LAL | ASU | CSULB | USMNT | USWNT | LAFC | OCSC | MAN UTD | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted July 9, 2018 Author Share Posted July 9, 2018 13 minutes ago, Still MIGHTY said: Well yeah, I know that. I'm just thinking of keeping local rivalries. San Diego would work just as well. Not the same, but it'd work. I really don't think it would. San Diego and LA are more like Milwaukee/Chicago or Orlando/Miami. Even Seattle/Portland. Good potential for a rivalry, to be sure, but not a local one. There's really nothing like a cross-town derby, where both clubs are fighting for the same market. It's something special, and only another LA club could have brought that to the Galaxy. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still MIGHTY Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 43 minutes ago, Gothamite said: I really don't think it would. San Diego and LA are more like Milwaukee/Chicago or Orlando/Miami. Even Seattle/Portland. Good potential for a rivalry, to be sure, but not a local one. There's really nothing like a cross-town derby, where both clubs are fighting for the same market. It's something special, and only another LA club could have brought that to the Galaxy. I'm well aware of this. I live here, man lol. We have two teams in every single sport. I get why it works better that way. I agree with you. I'm just saying in this hypothetical where Galaxy builds downtown, if a 2nd team wouldn't share the stadium or find an OC location, I'm not sure where they would go. I could've seen MLS doing San Diego and calling it a day. Maybe in theory it all gets reversed with Galaxy taking the downtown and LA2 taking the suburbs/Carson. I don't know. It also doesn't matter because that's not what happened. Everything worked out the way it worked out, and I'm actually pretty happy with the result. #LAFC | ANA | LAA | LAR | LAL | ASU | CSULB | USMNT | USWNT | LAFC | OCSC | MAN UTD | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted July 9, 2018 Author Share Posted July 9, 2018 19 minutes ago, Still MIGHTY said: in this hypothetical where Galaxy builds downtown, if a 2nd team wouldn't share the stadium or find an OC location, I'm not sure where they would go. I could've seen MLS doing San Diego and calling it a day. I just can't, because a team in San Diego isn't remotely the same as a second team in LA. Maybe in this hypothetical they include the Spanos family in the ownership group. That opens up the City of Champions Stadium. Or they bring the Dodgers on board and use Dodger Stadium. Neither would be ideal, but each would be better than only one club in the City of Angels. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still MIGHTY Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 14 minutes ago, Gothamite said: I just can't, because a team in San Diego isn't remotely the same as a second team in LA. Maybe in this hypothetical they include the Spanos family in the ownership group. That opens up the City of Champions Stadium. Or they bring the Dodgers on board and use Dodger Stadium. Neither would be ideal, but each would be better than only one club in the City of Angels. 37 minutes ago, Still MIGHTY said: I don't know. It also doesn't matter because that's not what happened. | ANA | LAA | LAR | LAL | ASU | CSULB | USMNT | USWNT | LAFC | OCSC | MAN UTD | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WJMorris3 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Hartford's getting a USL team next year. Any chance they use Brass Bonanza as a goal song? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Needschat Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 30 minutes ago, willmorris said: Hartford's getting a USL team next year. Any chance they use Brass Bonanza as a goal song? Probably not. The ownership, in their soccer wisdom, went Anglo and named the team "Athletic" so most likely do not know about the Whalers. Oh what could have been.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted July 11, 2018 Author Share Posted July 11, 2018 Just now, Needschat said: Probably not. The ownership, in their soccer wisdom, went Anglo and named the team "Athletic" so most likely do not know about the Whalers. Pretty sure the NHL still retains the trademark on the name, so there’s no way a minor league soccer club would ever be able to use it if they wanted. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Needschat Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Just now, Gothamite said: Pretty sure the NHL still retains the trademark on the name, so there’s no way a minor league soccer club would ever be able to use it if they wanted. The song we're talking about. The naming of Athletic means they didn't think about defunct soccer clubs based in Hartford and the rest of Connecticut: Wildcats, Yankees, Bicentennials, Wolves, and the best of all Hellions. The only place where the name Whalers should be attached to a soccer club should be in New Bedford. Oh what could have been.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted July 11, 2018 Author Share Posted July 11, 2018 So choosing not to pick up an old name means they haven’t heard of the Whalers, though? Which is, after all, what you said. The beauty of a name like “Athletic” is that fans can choose the name. It’s not imposed by the owners. So let’s see: if the fans want “Hellions” they can have “Hellions”. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigers Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Would love to see another New England side come in that forces the Revolution to alter their name. Personally I think St Louis should get a side before many others. Logano wins BOWL before Chargers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wings Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 In theory St. Louis should have a club but the ownership group wants a tax payer funded stadium and that's a no go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pharos04 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 https://www.uslnm.com/ when the hell was this announced? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted July 12, 2018 Author Share Posted July 12, 2018 3 hours ago, tigers said: Would love to see another New England side come in that forces the Revolution to alter their name. Personally I think St Louis should get a side before many others. Why would another team force the Revolution to change its name? As for St. Louis, they had a great shot. The league wanted them. But they chose to work with a billionaire who got huffy and walked away when denied $60M in taxpayer money. Same geniuses who bungled the Rams stadium deal. MLS is far better off without them. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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