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St. Louis is back in play as a market seeking to land a Major League Soccer expansion franchise.

Yesterday, a potential ownership group that includes members of the Taylor family (founders and operators of Clayton, Missouri-based rental car giant Enterprise Holdings) and World Wide Technology CEO Jim Kavanaugh (a St. Louis native and former U.S. Olympic soccer team member) unveiled plans for construction of a $250 million soccer-specific stadium that would be largely privately financed.

Much is being made of the fact that the effort is being spearheaded by Carolyn Kindle Betz and other female members of the Taylor family. The bid is being promoted as what would be the first majority female-owned franchise in MLS history. 

Preliminary plans indicate that the owners are seeking a break on the city's 5% amusement tax on tickets to sporting events, a property tax break from a city agency that would own the stadium site and lease it to the team, and state tax credits. The pitch from owners is that only patrons purchasing tickets and concession/souvenir items at the proposed stadium will be paying taxes that will offset city contributions to the plan. Because the plan is not seeking citywide tax revenues or tax increment financing (TIF), approval of the deal would require a vote of city aldermen, rather than a public vote like the one that failed last April.

It is thought that the current ownership group - dubbed MLS4THELOU - is interested in building the proposed stadium on the same Market Street site west of Union Station that the SC STL effort was targeting last year.

Soccer gets another shot in St. Louis as family that owns Enterprise launches bid for MLS team

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I would love to see St Louis in MLS. Would make a great rivalry with Kansas City, Chicago, and Cincinnati. I think the next round of expansion will be between, Phoenix, Sacramento, St Louis, San Diego and Detroit. I think Indy and Raleigh-Durham have moved nowhere. Charlotte and Tampa Bay are dead. San Antonio is on life support depending on Austin. Las Vegas and Louisville have recently entered the mix but I dont think they will go far.

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It would be great to add new markets but also great to remove deadweight in low-interest markets like Dallas, Houston, Chicago and New England. It'll never happen, but the lack of enthusiasm in those places is a really bad look when compared to markets like KC, Portland and Atlanta. And presumably new markets.

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20 hours ago, 4_tattoos said:

So is the Fire in Bridgeview situation different than that of Galaxy being in Carson & Red Bull being in Harrison, NJ? Prior to the existence of NYCFC and LAFC I heard way more complaints from Chicago fans regarding the Fire's stadium location than I did that of LA and NY fans.

 

It’s absolutely different than it is in Southern California for the Galaxy due to the necessity of public transportation. You basically have to drive everywhere in Southern California so that doesn’t really matter at all for them. You just drive right up, park in the big ass gated off parking lot, and you’re Good to go. It’s different in New York and Chicago because of how vital rail travel is in those areas. Trying to get somewhere in either of those cities that’s even more than a few blocks off of the rail line is chaotic. 

 

I was in Chicago a few years ago with a local buddy who was absolutely adamant that he was going to give me a tour of the ENTIRE Chicagoland area. I don’t think there’s an inch of that city I didn’t see and get some type of historical explanation of. The only thing I remember about the stadium Fire play in is it was WAY about there. I thought that was strange and couldn’t see how people would trek down that way for games regularly. It was a lot like how I felt about going to Coyotes games in Glendale while living in Tempe. I did it once and vowed to NEVER do it again because it was such a terrible experience before I even left the car. 

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And it's a brutal comparison when the United Center and Soldier Field are right downtown, and Wrigley/Comiskey are a bit further afield but still L-accessible. In some markets, suburban sports venues make sense, but not in an old, dense, big city like Chicago. It's minor league stuff there.

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16 minutes ago, Digby said:

And it's a brutal comparison when the United Center and Soldier Field are right downtown, and Wrigley/Comiskey are a bit further afield but still L-accessible. In some markets, suburban sports venues make sense, but not in an old, dense, big city like Chicago. It's minor league stuff there.

So where would the proposed USL stadium be in compared the venues you mentioned? Not familiar with Chicago.

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2 hours ago, Dilbert said:

I would love to see St Louis in MLS. Would make a great rivalry with Kansas City, Chicago, and Cincinnati. I think the next round of expansion will be between, Phoenix, Sacramento, St Louis, San Diego and Detroit. I think Indy and Raleigh-Durham have moved nowhere. Charlotte and Tampa Bay are dead. San Antonio is on life support depending on Austin. Las Vegas and Louisville have recently entered the mix but I dont think they will go far.

 

Does Didier Drogba playing for Phoenix enhance their chances?  I would think so.

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Not as much as you would think. The Phoenix bid would have several hurdles to clear before it would be viable, and even then, is the interest there? How are they going to do mid July/August games even with an 8 PM start? 

 

I’d love to see the Phoenix bid work out, and think the market has a ton of potential if done right. I just don’t think it will work as is currently constructed/planned. 

 

Ive seen enough of this up close to know that the most important thing, and maybe even the ONLY thing that really matters, is funding. This last bid showed that. The deeper your pockets are, the better chance you’ve got. Basically every single “potential” MLS bid right now suffers from that same issue. That’s why a lot of these teams aren’t already in MLS. Having a flashy name up front is cool and all, but it doesn’t matter a damn bit if they don’t have the investors. Hell, look at Miami. 

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I wish Sacramento would get their :cursing: together, otherwise its Phoenix spot for the taking.

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Outdoor Phoenix soccer in the summer is a ludicrous idea on its face. It shouldn't exist.

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8 minutes ago, DG_Now said:

Outdoor Phoenix soccer in the summer is a ludicrous idea on its face. It shouldn't exist.

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If Phoenix does get in they have to have a climate controlled facility

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2 hours ago, Dilbert said:

I wish Sacramento would get their :cursing: together

 

We’re trying, Jennifer. 

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They could completely skip over Sac & Phx and go with 2 others. IT'S MLS!!!!

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Umm, so... Has anyone heard about this nonsense yet? This seems like a monumentally stupid idea for US soccer that could potentially cripple the movement IMO.

 

https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/mls-and-liga-mx-have-toyed-around-with-the-idea-of-forming-a-north-american-super-league/

 

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50 minutes ago, Bucfan56 said:

 

We’re trying, Jennifer. 

 

That's one of the saddest tweets I ever read. It hurts my heart.

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1 hour ago, Bucfan56 said:

Umm, so... Has anyone heard about this nonsense yet? This seems like a monumentally stupid idea for US soccer that could potentially cripple the movement IMO.

 

https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/mls-and-liga-mx-have-toyed-around-with-the-idea-of-forming-a-north-american-super-league/

 

 

Sounds stupid.  If the leagues combine, it would be 41 teams if none of the Mexican teams fold, and I don't think European leagues have that many. 

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10 hours ago, Dilbert said:

ci9MR4pUGAqa-srscXuGBV_GxU0edM3zcVVsk9tj

 

If Phoenix does get in they have to have a climate controlled facility

 

Aren’t the D-Backs looking for a new ballpark?  Not sure how viable a Chase Field renovation is but it’s a retractable roof, downtown facility.

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Can't believe we let the first anniversary of USMNT vs T&T pass without mention! (Not to mention the third anniversary of that trainwreck CONCACAF Cup USMNT-Mexico game!) 

 

Any sign of a manager yet?

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