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Rite of Spring 2018-“What happens in the playoffs stays in the playoffs”

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10 hours ago, Crabcake47 said:

I beg to differ. First of all, as mentioned before, this ain’t your daddy’s expansion team. Vegas is a different beast - great coach, great keeper, super deep. 

 

Second of all, what the Caps did this postseason imo covers all their bases in terms of choking. Down 2-0 in the first round after two home L’s? Win the next four. Lose a heartbreaking Game 1 to the Pens and immediately have the “here we go again” thoughts start? Win four of the next five. Blow a 2-0 lead in a series? Win it in 7. This team showed fight, heart, and mental strength that hasn’t been seen in a Rock the Red-era Caps team. They remind me a lot of the ‘16 Sharks. People generally don’t call the Sharks chokers anymore iirc. 

Whether or not they shed the "choker" label depends on what happens in the finals.  If they win, obviously.  If they just get beaten by a better team, sure. But if they lose in, using my vernacular, Minnesota Vikings fashion, the label sticks.

 

I'm glad they won.  A second Lightning Cup does nothing for me; I'd have been pulling for Vegas to put the cherry on top of this joke sundae.  Now...I can get on board with a franchise I've known my entire life that has no Cups.  Go Caps!

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13 hours ago, Ice_Cap said:

So at what point does Yzerman sacrifice Cooper to appease the gods?

I'm getting to the point of believing Stevie Y is considering that.  Tampa fans went thru a similar situation with Dungy and the Buccaneers.  Dungy changed a culture, while Gruden took them to the next level.  It might be time for a change.

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3 hours ago, OnWis97 said:

Whether or not they shed the "choker" label depends on what happens in the finals.  If they win, obviously.  If they just get beaten by a better team, sure. But if they lose in, using my vernacular, Minnesota Vikings fashion, the label sticks.

 

That, essentially. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think Washington is the better team, when they play with that extra gear kicked in. That's a reason why I feel like it's a must win for the Capitals to officially and permanently erase the labels.

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4 hours ago, OnWis97 said:

Whether or not they shed the "choker" label depends on what happens in the finals.  If they win, obviously.  If they just get beaten by a better team, sure. But if they lose in, using my vernacular, Minnesota Vikings fashion, the label sticks.

 

I'm glad they won.  A second Lightning Cup does nothing for me; I'd have been pulling for Vegas to put the cherry on top of this joke sundae.  Now...I can get on board with a franchise I've known my entire life that has no Cups.  Go Caps!

 

Agreed. Even though San Jose got over their second round mountain-of-a-molehill, they still get lampooned for having all those chances and coming up short. The only thing that removes the chokers label is the other c-word: championships. Everything else is just argumentative gymnastics. 

 

What this point ultimately brings up however, and I still think this would make a great blog series or podcast, is a debate as to what defines a "choker." Obviously, a team who dominated in the regular season and burned out quickly in the postseason should count, but it seems like just an ongoing run of appearances also makes teams get the title. For example, the Sonics losing in '94 to the Nuggets could be seen as a chokejob, but I don't recall them being classified like that in the 15 years they existed after. On the other hand, a team like the Wizards has been the playoffs countless times, yet I doubt any hardcore NBA fan could say DC was "the team to beat" in the last 30+ years. So in this instance, I'd argue two things: One, the label of "choker" is season specific, not franchise specific. Two, a better term would be "underachiever" to define teams constantly in the mix, but never the front runner. 

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2 minutes ago, Alex Houston said:

 

Agreed. Even though San Jose got over their second round mountain-of-a-molehill, they still get lampooned for having all those chances and coming up short. The only thing that removes the chokers label is the other c-word: championships. Everything else is just argumentative gymnastics. 

 

What this point ultimately brings up however, and I still think this would make a great blog series or podcast, is a debate as to what defines a "choker." Obviously, a team who dominated in the regular season and burned out quickly in the postseason should count, but it seems like just an ongoing run of appearances also makes teams get the title. For example, the Sonics losing in '94 to the Nuggets could be seen as a chokejob, but I don't recall them being classified like that in the 15 years they existed after. On the other hand, a team like the Wizards has been the playoffs countless times, yet I doubt any hardcore NBA fan could say DC was "the team to beat" in the last 30+ years. So in this instance, I'd argue two things: One, the label of "choker" is season specific, not franchise specific. Two, a better term would be "underachiever" to define teams constantly in the mix, but never the front runner. 

I don't think bombing out in one postseason makes a team a choker.  The Mariners team that set the record for wins lost in the postseason but I never think of them as having choked.  Postseason, by design, leads to the best regular season team not always winning it all.

 

I think it's sort of a combination of frequency of losing in the postseason, how frequently losses occur as a "favored" team, and how those losses occur.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Still MIGHTY said:

Ovechkin giving zero craps

 

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Good for him.  Curses are dumb.

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Hopefully, with both teams doing that, something that hasn't happened since 2002 (thanks, @McCarthy), this can be the start of a new trend of teams picking up the trophies once more. Only hockey could have a "tradition" that caught on like wildfire where the original player and team to do it, Eric Lindros and the '97 Flyers, got swept in the Final. Not sure how that made one ounce of sense.

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16 hours ago, the admiral said:

not interested


Your medal is in the mail...

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7 hours ago, Still MIGHTY said:

Ovechkin giving zero :censored: s

 

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That is one of the finer looking trophies in all of sports. Always loved it.

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7 hours ago, Still MIGHTY said:

Ovechkin giving zero :censored: s

 

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In Soviet Russia Cup touch you!!

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I have this odd vision of a CandyCrush-esque conga line in Moscow involving these characters:

 

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Funny thing is, a few of these guys are not Russian. 

 

 

 

 

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(I can't really see this video, because I don't have a YouTube account.)

 

I know there's Google+, but I don't want to do that. Oh well.

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On 2018-05-24 at 9:38 AM, the admiral said:

not interested

You'll be watching though...

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This is an unfathomably long wait between games.

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38 minutes ago, Cosmic said:

This is an unfathomably long wait between games.

And one that could have a profound impact on the series imo.  The fact that the Caps took their series to 7 and yet still get 5 days of rest is huge.  In fact, the long wait may even make Vegas rusty since they took care of Winnipeg so quickly.

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16 minutes ago, Crabcake47 said:

And one that could have a profound impact on the series imo.  The fact that the Caps took their series to 7 and yet still get 5 days of rest is huge.  In fact, the long wait may even make Vegas rusty since they took care of Winnipeg so quickly.

More time for them to catch the Vegas flu. :rolleyes:

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