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Rite of Spring 2018-“What happens in the playoffs stays in the playoffs”

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On 5/8/2018 at 10:40 AM, Crabcake47 said:

I'm very concerned about playing Tampa for a number of reasons.  Getting Wilson and (hopefully) Backstrom back helps, but Tampa's top-to-bottom depth for both forwards and defensemen easily is better than the Caps'.  They've got several lines that can score on you and a good goalie.  And they just dispatched a Cup favorite heading into the postseason in 5 games.  And let's not forget, the Caps still have to do more to shed that "choker" label for good, namely winning about 8 more games.

 

On 5/11/2018 at 2:33 PM, Crabcake47 said:

The Caps are mega-underdogs in this series. That will play into their favor. This is a team led by a coach who both have a huge chip on their shoulders, just slayed their Penguin-looking dragon, and have nobody believing in them. 

 

That said, Lightning in 6. 

 

On 5/11/2018 at 8:35 PM, Crabcake47 said:

Kempny with the goal! Caps look good to start. 

 

EDIT: What a turn of events to end the first! Good thing the Caps haven't blown a Game 1 2-0 lead in this postseason!

 

On 5/11/2018 at 10:48 PM, Crabcake47 said:

Even at 4-0 this team makes me sweat. Caps lost Game 1 in each of their last two series, though, and Tampa rebounded perfectly after losing Game 1 last series, which worries me. But still a great, complete performance. 

 

Still means nothing yet. 

 

On 5/13/2018 at 10:58 PM, Crabcake47 said:

DONT SAY THINGS LIKE THAT <-- When someone said something positive about the Caps

 

On 5/14/2018 at 10:40 AM, Crabcake47 said:

It's not all Vasilevskiy's fault but Holtby is far outplaying him.

 

That being said, I fully expect Tampa to come out firing in Game 3.  I'm pretty sure they're going to take at least one game in D.C.  Wouldn't be shocked if we go back to Tampa 2-2.

 

On 5/15/2018 at 9:21 PM, Crabcake47 said:

As soon as there’s an ounce of pressure on the Caps, they shrink back. This one’s probably lost already. 

 

On 5/16/2018 at 7:15 AM, Crabcake47 said:

Last night was my worst fears about this series coming true. 

-Vasilveskiy regains his confidences and has a good game. 

-Caps continually gift Tampa PP chances, leading to goals

-Caps' own PP goes cold without Backstrom

-Tampa looks dangerous at ES

-Holtby gets outplayed for the first time this series

 

Hopefully they can pull it together and regain their previous form in Game 4. 

 

On 5/17/2018 at 11:13 PM, Crabcake47 said:

That sucked. 

 

By every measurable statistic, the Caps dominated that game start to finish. But 0/4 on the PP is inexcusable and they had so many freaking chances. 

 

Tampa’s winning this in 6 and somehow it’s going to hurt more than all the other ones to come before this. 

 

On 5/17/2018 at 11:17 PM, Crabcake47 said:

It’s so obvious too what the Caps have to do - fix the special teams. I thought for sure Backstrom coming back would give at least one PPG but alas. A dumb Lars Eller penalty once again leads directly to a Tampa goal as well. 

 

This one’s a back breaker imo. No way I can see the Caps having any sort of confidence or momentum after that. 

 

On 5/19/2018 at 7:47 PM, Crabcake47 said:

This series was over the second Killorn scored on Thursday night. Tampa’s taking this in 6 and it’s so obvious to see. 

 

Somehow they all hurt more than the last one. 

 

On 5/19/2018 at 8:26 PM, Crabcake47 said:

Oh yeah. This series is well and truly over. 

 

On 5/19/2018 at 9:03 PM, Crabcake47 said:

I really hope Tampa just wins Game 6 and ends the Caps’ misery. But because this franchise seems to want to deliver the maximum pain possible to its fanbase, they’ll take Game 6 convincingly to give us hope and then piss away Game 7 like they always do. 

 

On 5/21/2018 at 8:04 PM, Crabcake47 said:

Hey guys! Keep talking about how much you hate Vegas, as much as you want! Let it all out! Don't hold anything back! Talk for as long and as meanly about them as you need to because maybe then you'll forget how bad we're about to choke away this series

 

On 5/23/2018 at 10:30 AM, Crabcake47 said:

Tonight’s gonna be torture. I wonder what new ways the Caps will come up with to twist the knife on this fanbase. 

 

On 5/23/2018 at 8:08 PM, Crabcake47 said:

Also tonight is why I want next year’s thread to be called “watch as Crabcake slowly loses his sanity” or something like that. I’m basically gonna be live tweeting my mental and emotional demise. 

Here's part 3, aka the Tampa series.  The posts start off as pessimism without the Penguins-driven depression, then the depression slowly is added in until reaching its peak after game 5.  Also, a preview of Part 4! 

 

On 5/23/2018 at 8:07 PM, Crabcake47 said:

Tonight is a coronation, no matter what happens. Tonight is the coronation of the Vegas Golden Knights as your next NHL champions. 

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On 5/23/2018 at 11:24 PM, Crabcake47 said:

I beg to differ. First of all, as mentioned before, this ain’t your daddy’s expansion team. Vegas is a different beast - great coach, great keeper, super deep. 

 

On 5/28/2018 at 7:47 PM, Crabcake47 said:

I get a chance to watch my team compete for a Stanley Cup. I feel very fortunate, nervous, and glad for Ovechkin that he’s silenced a lot of his doubters with what will surely be a Conn Smythe postseason if the Caps win. 

 

That being said, I’m keeping my expectations low. The Caps got swept the last time they were here; just win a game, boys. At least let us have that. 

 

I fully predict that Fleury will be too much for the Caps to handle and that Vegas will win every game 1-0. 

 

In all seriousness, I think Vegas in 6. MAF is looking ridiculous now and Vegas has a lot of belief in them. Despite all the arguments for the “rigged” expansion draft Gallant has them playing above the sum of their parts. 

 

On 5/28/2018 at 10:13 PM, Crabcake47 said:

We got ourselves a hockey game here folks. As is the case with most ties, there are pros and cons to the Caps’ performance. 

 

Pros

-Backstrom’s line has been fantastic 

-not going away quietly, fought back from two deficits to tie

-have managed to beat Fleury three times

 

Cons

-0/1 on the PP

-Kuznetsov’s line is being absolutely shackled by Schmidt/McNabb <-- this wasn't pessimistic at all, just quoted for the sake of how poorly it aged...

-lots of opportunities for Vegas

-Vegas’ fourth line looks really dangerous

 

On 5/28/2018 at 10:57 PM, Crabcake47 said:

Whoever wins this game takes the series. This game is going to be a gut punch to whoever loses (probably the Caps)

 

On 5/28/2018 at 11:07 PM, Crabcake47 said:

What a game of hockey. Crazy stuff. All three 3rd period goals from Vegas came from that fourth line. 

 

This team is so freaking stacked. At this point I’ll be happy if the Caps steal a game. 

 

On 5/28/2018 at 11:36 PM, Crabcake47 said:

I really hope the Caps can find a way to pull this off, somehow. Because if they don’t, I won’t be able to watch any of the 30 for 30s/documentaries/movies produced about this Vegas team because it’ll just remind me of the pain. 

 

On 5/30/2018 at 10:09 PM, Crabcake47 said:

Such a dumb penalty by Oshie. Yeah the refs missed the call on Miller but you gotta have better awareness than that. Vegas has all the momentum now and will probably steal this one 4-3. 

 

On 6/4/2018 at 8:32 PM, Crabcake47 said:

Not a good start for Washington so far. Vegas is playing their game and playing it well. Two posts so far for them. James Neal with the miss of the series so far for one of them. 

And finally, part 4.  By this point most of the demons had been exorcised and I actually believed in the Caps, even if I didn't want to admit that to myself for fear of it coming back to haunt me.  But there were still some solid "Crabcake moments" during the Cup final.

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PotD? That was legitimately fun. 

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It's funny, but this year is probably the first time that the postseason has actually lived up to its title of The Rite of Spring. If you don't know, Igor Stravinsky's ballet The Rite of Spring was so dissonant, unconventional, and avant-garde that it caused a riot during its premiere in Paris. There was booing, hissing, the throwing of  objects on stage, and the police were called. The delicate sensibilities of the audience could not handle it, and it's likely that Russians were involved in the staging perhaps intensified things. By the time the performance was finished, those who appreciated the work were cheering louder than usual to try to drown out the detractors. 

 

Compare that to this year's NHL playoffs, where an expansion team dared to be good, and darling teams like the Jets were eliminated with little fanfare or suspense. It's the perfect formula for the beau monde elite fans to cluck their tongues, stroke their beards, and talk about "What's to be done with this NHL"?  The ones who appreciated good hockey just watched and enjoyed it, while the detractors worked themselves up in a frenzy, never allowing themselves the pleasure to be entertained by the masterpiece that was right in front of them. Just like in Paris 100 years ago.

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4 hours ago, The Six said:

It's funny, but this year is probably the first time that the postseason has actually lived up to its title of The Rite of Spring. If you don't know, Igor Stravinsky's ballet The Rite of Spring was so dissonant, unconventional, and avant-garde that it caused a riot during its premiere in Paris. There was booing, hissing, the throwing of  objects on stage, and the police were called. The delicate sensibilities of the audience could not handle it, and it's likely that Russians were involved in the staging perhaps intensified things. By the time the performance was finished, those who appreciated the work were cheering louder than usual to try to drown out the detractors. 

 

Compare that to this year's NHL playoffs, where an expansion team dared to be good, and darling teams like the Jets were eliminated with little fanfare or suspense. It's the perfect formula for the beau monde elite fans to cluck their tongues, stroke their beards, and talk about "What's to be done with this NHL"?  The ones who appreciated good hockey just watched and enjoyed it, while the detractors worked themselves up in a frenzy, never allowing themselves the pleasure to be entertained by the masterpiece that was right in front of them. Just like in Paris 100 years ago.

 

Wow...excellent post Six...a little masterpiece on its own. 

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On 6/9/2018 at 8:59 PM, BringBackTheVet said:

I've been thinking a lot about this - why do new teams need to be crap and pay dues for n# of years until it's OK for them to be good?

 

used to think like that, but looking at it now through different eyes, wouldn't you want a new team in a new market to be competitive right away?  Obviously an expansion team winning a title is absurd and would delegitimize the whole thing, but having them be watchable and competitive enough to develop a good local following right away could only be a good thing, no?

 

Ideally, wouldn't a 6 or 7 seed be a good spot for a new NHL or NBA team?  Maybe .500 for an NFL or MLB team?

 

Teams being good right out of the gate is definitely better for business than openly taking dumps on new fans in new markets. The Atlanta Thrashers certainly weren't helped by being :censored:ty for all but one of their seasons in Atlanta (which ended in a first round sweep), but building a team capable of winning the championship in the first year is an over-correction and makes the league look like they don't know what they're doing and it kind of makes the sport look like team-building is voodoo and winning is an accident. 

 

On 6/10/2018 at 7:17 AM, sparky chewbarky said:

 

In 1999, the Atlanta Thrashers paid about $80 million for an expansion team (I think...correct me if I'm wrong). In their first year, they finished last in their division, never got a off to a good start and some years later were off to Winnipeg... 17 years later, Foley pays $500 million for a franchise. Whether or not you think that a franchise should have gone to Las Vegas,

I think that most people were okay with expansion parameters that would be a bit more generous...

 

On 6/10/2018 at 7:17 AM, sparky chewbarky said:

But what would be the ideal equation? I think that the biggest change in the expansion draft from '99 to'17 was that each team protected 2 less players (again please correct me if I'm wrong). In hindsight, should that maybe have been 1 less player? How could you know what numbers would be the right numbers? You and I know that there are many GMs in this league that would have taken the same opportunity that McPhee had...and would have botched it completely. Then, the VGK's would have finished out of the play-offs and then, those same parameters would have been okay, right?...

 

The only parameters I would've accepted were the same ones the Columbus Blue Jackets and expansion brothers got. I think as soon as they were released and they were easier (without even mentioning that this is the first expansion team in the salary cap era) then it became an issue of competitive integrity. I know why they got a better deal, but I don't have to like it. 

 

 

On 6/10/2018 at 7:17 AM, sparky chewbarky said:

Yes, McPhee was given a better leg-up than his predecessors had, but jeez, give him some credit...he rode that pony like a boss. That was some masterful horse-trading there! The Fleury thing was just pure luck. Re: the goalie part of the equation, McPhee was working with the same guidelines as those before him. (I think that Fleury was considered past his prime). Even with McPhee's masterful job, how could he have projected that Fleury would have one of his best years ever, or that several players would elevate their games to the best they ever had or probably ever will. They hired the right coach, implementing the right system, which the players executed. Throw in a lot of puck-luck (how many times through the playoffs did we see Fleury "patting the post"?), and some fortunate timing...(had Hellebuyck been on his A-game in the Vegas series, it would have been Washington-Winnipeg). The whole Vegas success was lightning-in-a-bottle... At a time when the city needed something positive, I find it almost unbelievable that "that something" was given to them by ...a hockey team??...That's great for the fans in Las Vegas, and for the NHL.

 

McPhee was either told which players to take thanks to trade deals or given a no-brainer player like Fluery or Neal and Gerard Gallant was the best available coach at the time. I'm not ready to give him that much credit for the roster. 

 

My entire issue with the Golden Knights stems from the fact that compared to all of their opponents they were built differently and had they won the cup it would always have felt inauthentic to me, like it was purchased. I'm glad we don't have to wrestle with that for the rest of time. 

 

On 6/10/2018 at 7:17 AM, sparky chewbarky said:

As far as being "mean-spirited" I can't believe the hate that was heaped on the VGK franchise, the city and its fans in general. I kinda felt for the fellow board members like Lee Noire that live in Vegas.

 

I thought it was no more mean-spirited than what any other fanbase deals with. You don't get to go to the finals in your first year AND not hear it from other fans.

 

 

On 6/10/2018 at 7:17 AM, sparky chewbarky said:

I got somewhat involved in the Las Vegas process...I made up the T-shirts for these guys in Las Vegas on their "team-announcement-night"...

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...pretty regular folks, with pretty regular jobs, life, etc., that are ecstatic about finally getting a team of their own. I'm happy for them.

 

Good for them. Congratulations on having a real major league team and a good one at that. My issue with the team had nothing to do with the city of Las Vegas. I can't repeat that enough.

 

I hope their fans stick around when times aren't so good, which is 90% of your life as a hockey fan. 

 

On 6/10/2018 at 7:17 AM, sparky chewbarky said:

Off the ice...yeah, the opening schtick before the games was a little cheesy...but so what. If it works for them..great.

I probably have more reason to dislike Foley as anyone...but I have to give credit where it's due...After the botched name reveal, they seemed to do everything right...the opening night tribute to the victims and responders of the shooting... Deryk Engellend's speech...the players involvement in the community...the relationship with the city...little things like hosting some members of the Humboldt community ...Golden Pipes allowing Winnipeg fans their "True North" moment during the anthem...(telling Carrie Underwood "No Thanks")...etc. etc....I thought they showed a lot of class.

Congratulations to the Golden Knights for a great season...and to the Caps...another great story...the near-perfect ending IMO.

 

 

All of the pregame stuff, the opening night stuff, all of that was exactly what I hoped for out of a Las Vegas sports team. I don't understand the complaints about any of that. 

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Yeah, anyone who doesn't like the Golden Knights medieval times stuff can go pound sand. Good on them for making it fun.

 

Most of us were rooting for Vegas hockey to be a disaster (I know I was), but I'm glad there's a new functional team in the NHL in a market that supports it. It's a pretty stark contrast to Phoenix. And, really, now that there's a desert city in the NHL they can concentrate on getting the Coyotes the hell out of there.

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3 hours ago, DG_Now said:

Most of us were rooting for Vegas hockey to be a disaster (I know I was), but I'm glad there's a new functional team in the NHL in a market that supports it. It's a pretty stark contrast to Phoenix. And, really, now that there's a desert city in the NHL they can concentrate on getting the Coyotes the hell out of there.

 

Lol, give it five years and see if this is still even somewhat valid. My prediction is they’ll actually be in a WORSE spot than the Yotes. At least Phoenix has a hefty full-time population. What is Vegas gonna do when they have a down year and a transient population? 

 

Oh, and the Raiders playing in a park built on the public dime. Yeah, good luck with that, Vegas. 

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Former Hab DSP with the WWE Championship with Capitals sideplates.

 

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21 hours ago, Bucfan56 said:

 

Lol, give it five years and see if this is still even somewhat valid. My prediction is they’ll actually be in a WORSE spot than the Yotes. At least Phoenix has a hefty full-time population. What is Vegas gonna do when they have a down year and a transient population? 

 

Oh, and the Raiders playing in a park built on the public dime. Yeah, good luck with that, Vegas. 

Doesn't mean much when they're almost dead last in attendance every year. 

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4 hours ago, habsfan1 said:

@Crabcake47 Did you go to the parade?

You bet I did! I got to go with my Dad as well, really special day. We drove to the nearest Metro station and then rode the Metro for about half an hour. Walked a couple blocks to the Mall and watched the parade and rally on the screens there. It was incredible. I’ve never seen so much red in my life. 

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Cool, glad you got to experience it. I hope no one threw up on you on the train like someone did on me before a Hawks parade.

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46 minutes ago, Crabcake47 said:

You bet I did! I got to go with my Dad as well, really special day. We drove to the nearest Metro station and then rode the Metro for about half an hour. Walked a couple blocks to the Mall and watched the parade and rally on the screens there. It was incredible. I’ve never seen so much red in my life. 

I went with my girlfriend and we were able to stand at 12th street. It was a great experience! Grubauer even got off his bus and ran down the side right in front of us!

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12 minutes ago, the admiral said:

Cool, glad you got to experience it. I hope no one threw up on you on the train like someone did on me before a Hawks parade.

Haha yeah thankfully that didn’t happen. The crowd was pretty well behaved even from the Metro. A few obscenities were shouted but that’s about par the course when any sort of alcohol and sports celebrations are mixed. 

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8 hours ago, insert name said:

Doesn't mean much when they're almost dead last in attendance every year. 

 

Thats my point. Phoenix is HUGE and can barely draw flies. There are several other reasons for that, including arena location, of course. But even when they were downtown, they still were on the bottom rung in terms of attendance. Vegas is going to have many of the same issues, but it’ll be magnified once they settle back down to earth. 

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On 6/13/2018 at 12:18 AM, Bucfan56 said:

 

Thats my point. Phoenix is HUGE and can barely draw flies. There are several other reasons for that, including arena location, of course. But even when they were downtown, they still were on the bottom rung in terms of attendance. Vegas is going to have many of the same issues, but it’ll be magnified once they settle back down to earth. 

 

Biggest mistake the Coyotes ever made was leaving America West Arena for Glendale. They left right in the heart of downtown Phoenix for somewhere way away from the heart of the city.

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The reason they left America West is because the arena was flat-out not designed to host hockey games. If you want to argue about that they should've stayed closer to the population base, I get that (whether there was land to develop another arena on is another discussion, albeit a highly relevant one), but America West was the Barclays Center of the last generation.

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America West/US Airways/Talking Stick Arena/Whatever it’s called now is barely suitable for basketball. But, yeah. Moving out to Glendale is the most Arizona-y decision they could’ve possibly made. 

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I was in the Phoenix area in March to take in some Cactus League baseball, and while I was there my grandparents and I decided to go to a Coyotes game as well. It was kind of a strange feeling driving along the highway to Glendale and seeing downtown Phoenix with Chase Field and the Suns’ arena in the distance, and completely passing it by to go to some nondescript, faraway suburb. 

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