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1 hour ago, Kaz said:

He did not make the jump this season that Capela did though.  Last year was his breakout year; this year was just incremental improvement building off of that year - which isn't what the award is for. 

 

Dinwiddle seems to be just be there to fill a spot compared to Capela and Oladipo; I admit I wasn't following Nets games very closely this year but he seemed to be more of a mere beneficiary of extended touches when Lin and DLo (and even RHJ at times) were out than a revitalized player.

 

Nah you're right, Dinwiddie certainly took a step but it does seem arbitrary; that third spot may as well have gone to Andre Drummond or Jaylen Brown or hell, Dwight Powell. 

 

I don't really think the "finalist" thing is necessary for these awards. It's just a silly way to wring more drama and content out of it, but they've certainly gone into overdrive on those points for the NBA Awards in recent years, so I'm not surprised.

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Lebron bringing The Celtics back down to Earth. 

Like anyone really expected The Celtics to sweep though. 

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27 minutes ago, ozzyman314 said:

Lebron bringing The Celtics back down to Earth. 

Like anyone really expected The Celtics to sweep though. 

 

The Cavs continue to show LeBron is not enough. LeBron + shooters only works if the other guys make their shots.

 

Also, you can't discount that the Boston arena has become murder for road teams. If I were Boston, I'd be happy to have at least one more home game, and then maybe two.

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2 minutes ago, DG_Now said:

 

The Cavs continue to show LeBron is not enough. LeBron + shooters only works if the other guys make their shots.

 

Also, you can't discount that the Boston arena has become murder for road teams. If I were Boston, I'd be happy to have at least one more home game, and then maybe two.

Likewise Celtics are now 1-5 on the road in The Playoffs. 

Homecourt really has been the difference for Them. 

 

This is really just a reverse of Game 1. Celtics played pretty damn bad while everything just seemed to work for The Cavs. 

Lebron really needs to go all out on both offense & defense to win. Even then that won't work unless even he gets some help.

 

 

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45 minutes ago, ozzyman314 said:

Lebron bringing The Celtics back down to Earth. 

Like anyone really expected The Celtics to sweep though. 

It wasn't even LeBron going ballistic though; no one on the Cavs was missing shots and the Celtics couldn't buy a bucket.

 

Games 2 and 3 really highlighted that the Cavs need their shooters to be on point to win, even if LeBron goes off.

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14 minutes ago, Kaz said:

It wasn't even LeBron going ballistic though; no one on the Cavs was missing shots and the Celtics couldn't buy a bucket.

 

Games 2 and 3 really highlighted that the Cavs need their shooters to be on point to win, even if LeBron goes off.

 

The margin for error is thin, as we saw in games 1-2-3 as well as the Indiana series.

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25 minutes ago, ozzyman314 said:

Likewise Celtics are now 1-5 on the road in The Playoffs. 

Homecourt really has been the difference for Them. 

 

This is really just a reverse of Game 1. Celtics played pretty damn bad while everything just seemed to work for The Cavs. 

Lebron really needs to go all out on both offense & defense to win. Even then that won't work unless even he gets some help.

 

 

 

But I don’t think the Cavs are better than Milwaukee/Philly.

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Can Lebron do this? Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised, and I kinda hope he does. 

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To say that that was a case of the Cavs making shots and the Celtics not making shots, that oversimplifies what happened and honestly gives too much credit to the Celtics. They played a ****ing horrible game. Cleveland making shots may have been how the game started, but once things started to get out of hand, Smart/Morris/Rozier helped the Cavs stretch the lead by taking (and missing) their usual ill-advised early shots and the entire team was truly awful on defense. I lost count of how many times the Cavs got an easy cut to the basket for a clean dunk while all Celtic defenders just sat around all doing the Confused Travolta. The Cavs smothered Horford and nobody else stepped up. Boston played like a team that had their 2-0 lead and didn't see any real reason to break their asses for a win. Cleveland gave much more effort and was the hungrier team. By a mile.

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The question is how hungry will Cleveland be going forward?

 

the narrative is that the Celtics are the hungrier team and that the Cavs are an entitled aging champion.

 

 Cleveland  knows the clock is ticking: oldest team in the league, uncertain future, trying to stave off the inevitable (I can’t see them bringing back the whole band back together next year).

 

When you are trying to stave off Father Time, the Cavs play desperate knowing they want to squeeze out 1 more Finals run.

 

where the hell was this effort in the 2nd half of game 2?

 

do the Cavs play when they want to play?

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1 hour ago, SabresRule7361 said:

The question is how hungry will Cleveland be going forward?

 

the narrative is that the Celtics are the hungrier team and that the Cavs are an entitled aging champion.

 

 Cleveland  knows the clock is ticking: oldest team in the league, uncertain future, trying to stave off the inevitable (I can’t see them bringing back the whole band back together next year).

 

When you are trying to stave off Father Time, the Cavs play desperate knowing they want to squeeze out 1 more Finals run.

 

where the hell was this effort in the 2nd half of game 2?

 

do the Cavs play when they want to play?

Their offense outside of Lebron lives and dies by the three; it isn’t inconceivable that when they hit their shots they are unstoppable and when they don’t they suck.

Boston is also a rather streaky team because of how reliant their offense is on a rookie and two youngsters who were mere role players in the playoffs last year.

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6 hours ago, who do you think said:

To say that that was a case of the Cavs making shots and the Celtics not making shots, that oversimplifies what happened and honestly gives too much credit to the Celtics. They played a ****ing horrible game. Cleveland making shots may have been how the game started, but once things started to get out of hand, Smart/Morris/Rozier helped the Cavs stretch the lead by taking (and missing) their usual ill-advised early shots and the entire team was truly awful on defense. I lost count of how many times the Cavs got an easy cut to the basket for a clean dunk while all Celtic defenders just sat around all doing the Confused Travolta. The Cavs smothered Horford and nobody else stepped up. Boston played like a team that had their 2-0 lead and didn't see any real reason to break their asses for a win. Cleveland gave much more effort and was the hungrier team. By a mile.

 

It's kind of like the whole "establish the run" deal in football, isn't it? If you're not hitting outside shots, the defense doesn't have to respect you, and can clog the interior more. They close off the easier options in favor of LeBron going 3-23 from three and JR Smith doing god knows what.

 

What did happen last night, however, was the Celtics looked like a team without its best player and had no one to fix things when it went wrong.

 

(Also, sidenote, I hate when I keep reading the Celtics have been without their two best players all season. Yes, Irving is a great, top 7 player in the league. But Hayward? I think we'd need to see more than six minutes to determine how he fits in Boston's system. Presumably well, of course, but the Jazz didn't seem to miss him.)

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The Warriors are playing an interesting type of defense where they're allowing easy layups that they somehow know Houston is going to miss. 11 so far!

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This is getting out of hand QUICKLY. 

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Yup, it’s a coronation at this point. 

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I mean, The ECF is really just a formality at this point. We all know The West team is winning. 

 

Same applies for The NHL as well. 

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At least the NHL is going to give us a different look in June- no Pens, no Preds, no big markets, none of the usual suspects.

 

If we get Cavs/Warriors part infinity, I'm going to embrace Vegas/whoever because at least it's something different.

 

Like, let's be honest- the Pens/Wings Cup Finals 2008-2009 back to back years feel more like an exception.

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5 minutes ago, SabresRule7361 said:

At least the NHL is going to give us a different look in June- no Pens, no Preds, no big markets, none of the usual suspects.

 

If we get Cavs/Warriors part infinity, I'm going to embrace Vegas/whoever because at least it's something different.

 

Like, let's be honest- the Pens/Wings Cup Finals 2008-2009 back to back years feel more like an exception.

Well except for Tampa making it again for the 2nd time in 4 years. <_<

Feels more like 3/4 since they made the ECF in 2016. 

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Just now, ozzyman314 said:

Well except for Tampa making it again for the 2nd time in 4 years. <_<

Feels more like 3/4 since they made the ECF in 2016. 

 

Yeah, but they only have 1 Cup and that was a LONG time ago with nobody from that 2004 team around.

 

Plus, it has a different dynamic. And a guy like Stamkos having a chance for Finals redemption is compelling.

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