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2 minutes ago, Kaz said:

Uh, no.  I cheer against Lebron any chance I get, but you are being delusional.

Since when is it delusional to say Lebron has benefitted from playing in a weak Conference? 

 

7 minutes ago, DG_Now said:

 

But you're swinging too far the other way, saying James just lucked into 8 straight championship series. That's a stupid opinion that only stupid people have. Or, to be more charitable, people who don't understand professional sports, basketball or really anything beyond their own experience.

 

Which is why I never said that. My point has always been that he's never faced a true challenge in the EC like he has in The Finals.

And the fact he's never faced a true challenge in The East, really diminishes the whole "8 Straight Finals" accolade. The toughest team he's faced in those years has been what? This Rookie Celtics team? Maybe the 2012 C's or 2013 Pacers? Nothing compared to The Spurs & Warriors teams he's faced in The Finals. 

That kind of "dominance" isn't really worth bragging about.  

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48 minutes ago, ozzyman314 said:

Funny how those are all teams he only faced in the Finals. 

When was the last time he struggled like that against an East team? 

 

The fact he struggles so much, but only in The Finals, says that there are teams on his level. They just don’t play in the same conference. 

Having only 3 rings when he’s going to his 8th straight Finals (/9) really does say a lot about his so called dominance. 

Actually, I didn't mention the stacked 2012 Thunder with KD, Russ and Harden on that list. He didn't "struggle" against them - he backdoor swept them.

 

With the exception of 2011, where his own poor play was a major reason why his team lost, the Finals he's lost haven't been to teams anywhere near his level. They've been to teams with dramatically better rosters, and there's only so much he could have done by himself to respond to that. At the end of the day, it's still a team sport.

 

Also: just because some Western teams have beaten him doesn't mean all Western playoff teams could or would. As a Clippers fan, I'm pretty sure our Lob City teams would have gotten the LeBronto Raptors treatment if they ever had to face LeBron in a series.

 

Criticizing LeBron for his Finals record is criticizing him for largely overachieving with teams that had no business getting as far as they did. It's unfair to LeBron and goes against everything people claim to like about sports: heart and hustle, underdog stories, greatness overcoming adversity, etc.

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9 minutes ago, ozzyman314 said:

Since when is it delusional to say Lebron has benefitted from playing in a weak Conference? 

 

Which is why I never said that. My point has always been that he's never faced a true challenge in the EC like he has in The Finals.

And the fact he's never faced a true challenge in The East, really diminishes the whole "8 Straight Finals" accolade. The toughest team he's faced in those years has been what? This Rookie Celtics team? Maybe the 2012 C's or 2013 Pacers? Nothing compared to The Spurs & Warriors teams he's faced in The Finals. 

That kind of "dominance" isn't really worth bragging about.  

I disagree that LeBron has never been challenged in the East. Just this year, he's been taken to a Game 7 twice. His "easy" series was against a 59-win team with a +7.29 SRS. He's just so good that he often makes it look easy.

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32 minutes ago, DG_Now said:

 

Reasoned criticism, sure. And all of us do. He's only 3/5 in the finals. He doesn't have the MVP awards others do. The Decisions was weird. He deferred too much early in his career.

 

But you're swinging too far the other way, saying James just lucked into 8 straight championship series. That's a stupid opinion that only stupid people have. Or, to be more charitable, people who don't understand professional sports, basketball or really anything beyond their own experience.

 

 

He's performing at the same level he did at the start of this run, despite the added mileage it represents as well.

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Surely anybody who gets on LeBron for his Finals record can see how criticizing him for not leading a team that gave significant minutes to a 33 year old Eric Snow to victory over the Spurs and their three future Hall of Famers is a little silly, right?

 

LeBron's played in the Finals eight times to date.  It's not completely unreasonable to think that every single time he'll have played a team with at least three hall of famers on it.  I don't know if Shawn Marion (he was on Dallas) gets in but there's certainly a case to be made and I suspect Klay and Draymond get in at their current rates.  Westbrook and Harden would be locks at their current pace.

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38 minutes ago, Lights Out said:

Actually, I didn't mention the stacked 2012 Thunder with KD, Russ and Harden on that list. He didn't "struggle" against them - he backdoor swept them.

 

With the exception of 2011, where his own poor play was a major reason why his team lost, the Finals he's lost haven't been to teams anywhere near his level. They've been to teams with dramatically better rosters, and there's only so much he could have done by himself to respond to that. At the end of the day, it's still a team sport.

 

Criticizing LeBron for his Finals record is criticizing him for overachieving with teams that had no business getting as far as they did. It's ridiculous and goes against everything people claim to like about sports: heart and hustle, underdog stories, greatness overcoming adversity.

It's almost like The teams he's faced in The Finals are vastly better than the ones in The East.

Funny you bring all that up too, because that's something Lebron's dominance has taken away from the sport.

 

 

 

34 minutes ago, waltere said:

@ozzyman314 sometimes you just gotta take the L and move on dude

Shame on me I guess for daring to even imply that Lebron may have had it a bit easier than people realize, as he trolls the entire league with this team making The Finals. Clearly holding down a vastly inferior conference for a near decade is such an amazing achievement. 

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It is, you boob. Basketball is hard and these guys are the best in the world at it and this one guy keeps putting his team into the finals. 8 times in a row. That's what you're trying to say isn't an impressive accomplishment. It's a remarkably stupid argument. 

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18 minutes ago, ozzyman314 said:

It's almost like The teams he's faced in The Finals are vastly better than the ones in The East.

Funny you bring all that up too, because that's something Lebron's dominance has taken away from the sport.

The teams he's faced in the Finals are some of the greatest teams of all time. Sure, they were better than the East - but guess what? They were better than everyone else in the West too. They were also a lot better than any team Jordan faced in the Finals.

 

Where was all this outrage over a team's path to the Finals when the Showtime Lakers were facing the 41-41 Suns or the 39-43 Sonics in the WCF? It never seemed to matter until LeBron started making deep playoff runs and his haters needed an excuse to discredit him.

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I will swear Jordan > LeBron till the day I die but there are some bad-faith arguments in this thread. Lucked into eight Finals? Come on.

 

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14 minutes ago, McCarthy said:

It is, you boob. Basketball is hard and these guys are the best in the world at it and this one guy keeps putting his team into the finals. 8 times in a row. That's what you're trying to say isn't an impressive accomplishment. It's a remarkably stupid argument. 

It isn’t really when you acknowledge the fact he’s had next to no Competition for it. 

You have to be a real Lebron fanboy to think him keeping down such an inferior conference for nearly a decade is some major accomplishment. 

 

25 minutes ago, Lights Out said:

The teams he's faced in the Finals are some of the greatest teams of all time. Sure, they were better than the East - but guess what? They were better than everyone else in the West too. They were also a lot better than any team Jordan faced in the Finals.

And would he have made 8 straight in The West? Considering his struggles against those teams, almost certainly not. 

 

Why is it so difficult to simply acknowledge the fact his dominance may just be a bit inflated by the fact he’s taken advantage of a weaker conference that hasn’t offered him a real challenge in years (this Cavs team just shows he’s really just handicapping himself at this point). 

Like no :censored: he is one of The Greats, but maybe the guy with a 3-6 Finals record isn’t quite as dominant as you think. 

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Just now, Bucfan56 said:

No Chris Paul tonight. No Iguodala though, either. 

 

I'm sorry. There's another thread for NBA discussion somewhere. This is the place where we gang up on some Bay state bozo for his bad sports opinions.

 

Paul is officially out? That's a shame. I was hoping for a Willis Reed moment.

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2 hours ago, Lights Out said:

The teams he's faced in the Finals are some of the greatest teams of all time. Sure, they were better than the East - but guess what? They were better than everyone else in the West too. They were also a lot better than any team Jordan faced in the Finals.

 

Where was all this outrage over a team's path to the Finals when the Showtime Lakers were facing the 41-41 Suns or the 39-43 Sonics in the WCF? It never seemed to matter until LeBron started making deep playoff runs and his haters needed an excuse to discredit him.

 

Difference- the showtime Lakers did have moments of mortality in the West. Houston got em twice, Suns in 1990, two seven-game series in 1988.

 

They got tripped up here and there. LeBron has not had that happen to him in 8 years. Those Lakers made 4 in a row, lost in '86, 3 more Finals trips, a loss to the Suns, then 1 more.

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And how is that a knock on Lebron? If anything, it shows just how hard that is to do. 

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2 hours ago, ozzyman314 said:

It isn’t really when you acknowledge the fact he’s had next to no Competition for it. 

You have to be a real Lebron fanboy to think him keeping down such an inferior conference for nearly a decade is some major accomplishment. 

 

And would he have made 8 straight in The West? Considering his struggles against those teams, almost certainly not. 

 

Why is it so difficult to simply acknowledge the fact his dominance may just be a bit inflated by the fact he’s taken advantage of a weaker conference that hasn’t offered him a real challenge in years (this Cavs team just shows he’s really just handicapping himself at this point). 

Like no :censored: he is one of The Greats, but maybe the guy with a 3-6 Finals record isn’t quite as dominant as you think. 

So considering your take is the East s trash and he wouldn't make the Finals as often in the West would having made 3 Finals and having a 3-0 Finals record beating up on whatever team of bums came out the East be more impressive?  

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8 hours ago, ozzyman314 said:

If he basically swept his way to The Finals like last year with this roster that’d Be impressive 

but it even then a majority of people had The Cavs in The Finals even with this :censored:ty team.

 

 

It’s basically like putting Peyton Manning on an Arena Football League and bragging about him making 8 straight championships. 

And if MJ hadn’t decided to play baseball he 100% would have done it first. With actual Competition too. 

If he was truly as dominant he wouldn’t have a 3-6 record in The Finals. 

I mean, it certainly seems odd that he looks so dominant against “strong” east teams, but as soon as he faces a strong West team he falters. 

I’m sorry I don’t think he deserves credit for taking advantage of a weak conference. 

 

If he goes out West to The Kings or Suns and makes The Finals with them, I’ll take everything back. 

I agree, it's hard to give credit to LeBron for being dominant unless he sweeps through the West, the 96 Bulls, the 86 Celtics, the Bad Boy Pistons, the Showtime Lakers, the Dream Team and the Monstars playing 1 on 5. If he does that I'll take everything back

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2 hours ago, ozzyman314 said:

It isn’t really when you acknowledge the fact he’s had next to no Competition for it. 

 

Except he did. He didn't beat a bunch of NAIA schools. He beat 14 of the 30 best basketball teams in the world. Every year. For 8 years. Nobody else has done that. Nobody else has come close to doing that. 

 

2 hours ago, ozzyman314 said:

You have to be a real Lebron fanboy to think him keeping down such an inferior conference for nearly a decade is some major accomplishment. 

 

 

No you don't. You just have to understand what's really happening. "nearly a decade" - That's why it's a major accomplishment. 

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