2018 NBA Post Season

[dfwabel]

15 minutes ago, crashcarson15 said:

You can only review block/charge as part of a restricted area review. The play should've never been reviewed, as LeBron was clearly well outside the restricted area.

Per David Aldridge last night.

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Rules Regarding Block/Charge and Replay, Last Two Minutes, Fourth Quarter/OT:

Page 50, Official NBA Rules, Replay Triggers:

(12) Officials have determined that illegal contact has occurred on a block/charge foul but are not reasonably certain as to whether the defender was inside or out- side the restricted area during the last two minutes of the fourth period or last two minutes of any overtime period(s).

 

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Page 55, Official NBA Rules, Section II: Reviewable Matters:

l. If an instant replay review is triggered as described in Section I-a(12) above, the Replay Center Official and the official who called the foul would review the video to determine:
(1) Whether the defender was inside or outside the restricted area.
(2) Whether the defender was in a legal guarding position.
(3) Whether any unsportsmanlike acts or unnecessary contact occurred.

 

[Lights Out]

Game 1 wasn't even a sellout. I think the whole "Roaracle," "greatest fans ever" thing can officially be put to rest.

[8BW14]

40 minutes ago, CLEstones said:

 

I thought it was a block, I'll be honest.

 

However, I DON'T think they implemented the replay properly.  They said they were checking to see if he was inside the restricted circle... which he was clearly outside of.  It wasn't even close.  So it looks like they implemented the rule completely wrong, using it to determine if it was a charge or a block, because neither official wanted to own the call.  The rule states you can still be moving in order to take a charge.

 

I guess my question was more with the entirety of the officiating.  It was disastrous from the start.  It just seemed like every call was going GSW's way... especially when it got late into 4Q and OT.

You're right. I misinterpreted the rule, I think the charge call was wrong but they were also wrong to change it the way they did. 

I was only able to watch the second half, but I thing both teams got their fair share of missed/bad calls and Lebron got an unfortunate string of 2 or 3 bad ones at the endorsed of the game.

[crashcarson15]

23 minutes ago, dfwabel said:

Per David Aldridge last night.

You've bolded the wrong part:

 

"Officials have determined that illegal contact has occurred on a block/charge foul but are not reasonably certain as to whether the defender was inside or out- side the restricted area during the last two minutes of the fourth period or last two minutes of any overtime period(s)."

 

You can review the block/charge call itself if and only if you've initiated a review for whether or not the secondary defender was in the restricted area. If the officials were truly uncertain as to whether or not LeBron was outside the restricted area when the illegal contact occurred -- when he was 3 feet outside of it -- they should never work an NBA game again.

[dfwabel]

Ken Mauer in speaking to the pool reporter (AP's Tim Reynolds) after the game.

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Q: Can you explain what you saw on the replay that went into the overturn of the block/charge involving LeBron [James] and KD [Kevin Durant]?

 

Mauer: “The reason for the trigger is that we had doubt as to whether or not James was in the restricted area. When over at the table, we then are allowed to determine whether or not he was in a legal guarding position. It was determined he was out of the restricted area, but he was not in a legal guarding position prior to Durant’s separate shooting motion. So we had to change it to a blocking foul.”

http://official.nba.com/transcript-nba-referees-ken-mauer-and-tony-brothers-comment-to-pool-reporter-after-game-1-of-2018-nba-finals/

[crashcarson15]

29 minutes ago, dfwabel said:

Ken Mauer in speaking to the pool reporter (AP's Tim Reynolds) after the game.

http://official.nba.com/transcript-nba-referees-ken-mauer-and-tony-brothers-comment-to-pool-reporter-after-game-1-of-2018-nba-finals/

Yes, I am well aware of how the rule works and well aware of the justification for reviewing the play.

 

My point is that the justification is bull :censored:. If you can't tell at first glance whether or not a player 3 feet outside the restricted area is, in fact, outside the restricted area, you have no business working as a professional basketball referee, let alone in the biggest game (to date) of the season.

 

Neither referee wanted to own the charge call, so they used a bail out provision to get the review they wanted by reviewing something that was never in doubt.

[Seadragon76]

You would think of veteran like J.R. Smith would know the difference between your team having the lead and the game being tied. That was one hell of a brain cramp there.

[FiddySicks]

So, correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t the two refs on that baseline make contradicting calls anyway? One said it was a charge while the other called it a block? If that’s the case, it was probably a good idea to review that play. 

 

I think all of the “rigged” talk is being a little bit dramatic. That’s how NBA fans are, though. Every single year I hear at least once about how the finals were “rigged”. 

 

And all of the hate on the Bay Area is absolutely HILARIOUS. Sure Silicon Valley has taken over a big faction of the region, but you would think that it’s turned into Sodom and Gomorrah with the way people talk about how it’s “ruined the world!” Get over yourselves. 

[CLEstones]

35 minutes ago, Bucfan56 said:

So, correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t the two refs on that baseline make contradicting calls anyway? One said it was a charge while the other called it a block? If that’s the case, it was probably a good idea to review that play. 

 

I think all of the “rigged” talk is being a little bit dramatic. That’s how NBA fans are, though. Every single year I hear at least once about how the finals were “rigged”. 

 

And all of the hate on the Bay Area is absolutely HILARIOUS. Sure Silicon Valley has taken over a big faction of the region, but you would think that it’s turned into Sodom and Gomorrah with the way people talk about how it’s “ruined the world!” Get over yourselves. 

 

People are focusing on the the reversal call.  Which is drawing attention from a slew of other calls that are nearly inexplicable (yes, I understand that its sport, its basketball, they cant get everything).  The issue were missing is the volume of pretty obvious calls that went in favor of Golden State in 4Q and OT... the clear Kevin Durrant strip that was called a foul, the holding of LeBron's forearm that was called a strip, Curry slappy on LeBron's arms 4 or 5 times at the 3 point arc, the immesurably long leash Draymond has to say/do whatever he wants for as long as he wants, among others.

[See Red]

1 hour ago, Bucfan56 said:

So, correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t the two refs on that baseline make contradicting calls anyway? One said it was a charge while the other called it a block? If that’s the case, it was probably a good idea to review that play. 

 

I think all of the “rigged” talk is being a little bit dramatic. That’s how NBA fans are, though. Every single year I hear at least once about how the finals were “rigged”. 

 

And all of the hate on the Bay Area is absolutely HILARIOUS. Sure Silicon Valley has taken over a big faction of the region, but you would think that it’s turned into Sodom and Gomorrah with the way people talk about how it’s “ruined the world!” Get over yourselves. 

 

They did and landed on charge, but they can't review it for that alone.  They can only review it for whether or not he was in the restricted area, which wasn't even questionable.  It seems like they used a technicality to review something they otherwise shouldn't have been able to because none of them wanted to bear the pressure of actually making the call on the floor.

 

That seems like a bad rule to begin with.  You shouldn't be able to review a judgement call like that in slow motion and overturn it.  I'm not completely familiar with the text of the NBA's charging rule but I've seen a lot of people saying his feet weren't planted, which I'm pretty sure isn't actually a requirement.  Like CLEstones said, that might have been the most egregious call since the Cavs would have had the ball with a two point lead and ~34 seconds left, but there were a ton of calls in the last five minutes that went the Warriors way.  I don't think it's rigged because why would it be, but this is the third straight Warriors game where they've greatly benefitted from poor officiating.  It's getting a little ridiculous.

 

[Wings]

NBA officiating has always been "suspect" dating back years. Why should we be or always act surprised. 

[Red Wolf]

2 hours ago, Lights Out said:

Game 1 wasn't even a sellout. I think the whole "Roaracle," "greatest fans ever" thing can officially be put to rest.

All fanbases are mostly the same. When somebody says they have the best fans in the world, it’s probably true because they’re all pretty much equal.

[FiddySicks]

3 hours ago, Lights Out said:

Game 1 wasn't even a sellout. I think the whole "Roaracle," "greatest fans ever" thing can officially be put to rest.

 

This is a really bad take. First off, I think you’re mixing up Bay Area sports teams with the greatest fans ever thing. That’s always been what the Sharks get trashed for. 

 

Second, it was like $600-$1000 just to get into the building last night. It didn’t have anything to do with apathy or whatever. Have you ever actually been to a Warriors game? It’s, legit, the loudest place I’ve ever been to watch a game. 

[The_Admiral]

I feel bad for the Warriors fans who hung in through all the bad years but got priced out. The Sharks get ripped for marketing how great their fans are, as they should, but Warriors fans were legitimately faithful, and being faithful to a bad NBA team is really hard. At least baseball is still, at worst, a nice day outside, and football is scarce enough that you can deal with it, but basketball? uuuugh.

[oldschoolvikings]

34 minutes ago, the admiral said:

I feel bad for the Warriors fans who hung in through all the bad years but got priced out. The Sharks get ripped for marketing how great their fans are, as they should, but Warriors fans were legitimately faithful, and being faithful to a bad NBA team is really hard. At least baseball is still, at worst, a nice day outside, and football is scarce enough that you can deal with it, but basketball? uuuugh.

 

Piston management tried to disguise empty seats as t-shirts.  Nothing sadder than bad NBA.

[OaklandIsBack]

6 hours ago, crashcarson15 said:

You can only review block/charge as part of a restricted area review. The play should've never been reviewed, as LeBron was clearly well outside the restricted area.

Yes on review he was clearly outside. In real time it's a close play at a crucial time, review it and get it right. Which they did

[See Red]

43 minutes ago, OaklandIsBack said:

Yes on review he was clearly outside. In real time it's a close play at a crucial time, review it and get it right. Which they did

 

It wasn't a close play, though.  If the ref at the baseline can't clearly see he was out of the restricted zone, he has no business calling an NBA Finals game.  This isn't close enough to warrant a review.

 

 

edit: added a picture

[crashcarson15]

1 hour ago, See Red said:

 

It wasn't a close play, though.  If the ref at the baseline can't clearly see he was out of the restricted zone, he has no business calling an NBA Finals game.  This isn't close enough to warrant a review.

 

 

edit: added a picture

Imagine if a dude was this far behind the 3-point line and the ref thought it might’ve been a 2.

[See Red]

For what it's worth, the NBA's "Last Two Minute Report" notes that Draymond should have been called for a lane violation on George Hill's second free throw, so J.R. Smith's boneheaded decision shouldn't have happened.  I didn't even notice it until I re-watched again but it's pretty clear and something one would expect the officials to catch.

[DG_ThenNowForever]

12 minutes ago, See Red said:

For what it's worth, the NBA's "Last Two Minute Report" notes that Draymond should have been called for a lane violation on George Hill's second free throw, so J.R. Smith's boneheaded decision shouldn't have happened.  I didn't even notice it until I re-watched again but it's pretty clear and something one would expect the officials to catch.

 

This is absurd.