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1 minute ago, who do you think said:

1 finals appearance vs. 1 finals appearance.

And plenty of context for why it's not the same. If LeBron had Westbrook and Harden on his team in his first stint in Cleveland, only made the Finals once, and didn't even win it despite being favored, he would be eviscerated by the media and fans. Especially if he followed it up by joining a 73-win team that he had just choked against in the playoffs.

 

That's Durant's real legacy in OKC, and he still has the media and fans making excuses for him.

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Just now, Lights Out said:

And plenty of context for why it's not the same. If LeBron had Westbrook and Harden on his team in his first stint in Cleveland, only made the Finals once, and didn't even win it despite being favored, he would be eviscerated by the media and fans. Especially if he followed it up by joining a 73-win team that he had just choked against in the playoffs.

 

That's Durant's real legacy in OKC, and he still has the media and fans making excuses for him.

 

1 finals appearance vs. 1 finals appearance. Everything else is conjecture.

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That's not what conjecture means. 

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4 minutes ago, who do you think said:

 

1 finals appearance vs. 1 finals appearance. Everything else is conjecture.

It's not conjecture, it's a valid comparison based on both players' careers.

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Just now, Lights Out said:

It's not conjecture, it's a valid comparison based on both players' careers.

 

No, it's you trying to spin fanfiction into truth.

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Just now, who do you think said:

 

1 finals appearance vs. 1 finals appearance. Everything else is conjecture.

That's why none of the people we're discussing is as good as Robert Horry.

 

You're literally treating basketball players like you'd treat tennis players.  

 

LeBron left a hopeless situation.  A cold-weather, non-cosmopolitan city where no free agent wants to go.  So Kobe's better than LeBron because Shaq wanted more endorsements?

 

If LeBron wanted titles he had to move.  Durant took the Warriors to Game 7, lost to them, had the option to sign on for one more year and try to beat them.  Instead he took the easy way out.  Could you argue that LeBron decided to make it easier on himself?  Sure.  But how on earth could not argue that Durant did not.  Durant had an opportunity to get them back and instead he joined them.  

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3 minutes ago, who do you think said:

 

No, it's you trying to spin fanfiction into truth.

It's not fanfiction, it's Durant's actual career in OKC.

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3 minutes ago, OnWis97 said:

Durant took the Warriors to Game 7, lost to them, had the option to sign on for one more year and try to beat them.

Not only that, they had Al Horford ready to sign there if Durant decided to stay. The Thunder were going to be better than the team that was up 3-1 on the Warriors, and it still wasn't easy enough for Durant's liking.

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10 minutes ago, OnWis97 said:

LeBron left a hopeless situation.  A cold-weather, non-cosmopolitan city where no free agent wants to go.  So Kobe's better than LeBron because Shaq wanted more endorsements?

 

66 wins in 2009, 61 wins in 2010, led the league both seasons. Doesn't seem that hopeless to me.

 

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If LeBron wanted titles he had to move. 

 

Conjecture.

 

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Durant took the Warriors to Game 7, lost to them, had the option to sign on for one more year and try to beat them.  Instead he took the easy way out.  Could you argue that LeBron decided to make it easier on himself?  Sure.  But how on earth could not argue that Durant did not.  Durant had an opportunity to get them back and instead he joined them.  

 

They both took the easy way out. That's kind of the point.

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4 minutes ago, Lights Out said:

It's not fanfiction, it's Durant's actual career in OKC.

 

You inventing a scenario where LeBron plays with Russell Westbrook and James Harden and imagining the fallout if they lost is the very definition of fanfiction. Not that I have an issue with fanfiction, but don't try to spin that **** as truth.

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1 hour ago, who do you think said:

Anyone who attacks Durant's decision to join Golden State but defends LeBron's decision to join Miami (and then Cleveland) is a hypocrite.

 

Anyone who attacks any player's decision to join any team is an idiot.  Every player is entitled to take the job that is most attractive to him, for whatever reason.

By the way, in England they have the opposite idiocy to the criticism of Durant.  Harry Kane just recently signed a contract extension with Tottenham.  And people are criticising him for not making himself available to join one of Europe's biggest clubs such as Barcelona or Real Madrid.

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5 minutes ago, who do you think said:

 

They both took the easy way out. That's kind of the point.

But there is plenty of nuance.  Even if you want to say that, it doesn't make them equivalent.

 

I'm not calling "The Decision" one of the great moments in NBA history.  But that does not make them the same; Durant took the easiest way out of any free agent in NBA history.

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22 minutes ago, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

Anyone who attacks any player's decision to join any team is an idiot.  Every player is entitled to take the job that is most attractive to him, for whatever reason.

 

Just like I and everyone else is entitled to express what they think about that decision and criticize and question the motivations behind it (especially when there's a different reception to two or more identical decisions).

 

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By the way, in England they have the opposite idiocy to the criticism of Durant.  Harry Kane just recently signed a contract extension with Tottenham.  And people are criticising him for not making himself available to join one of Europe's biggest clubs such as Barcelona or Real Madrid.

 

Okay.

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1 minute ago, OnWis97 said:

But there is plenty of nuance.  Even if you want to say that, it doesn't make them equivalent.

 

I'm not calling "The Decision" one of the great moments in NBA history.  But that does not make them the same; Durant took the easiest way out of any free agent in NBA history.

 

There is no nuance. They both took the easy way out.

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22 minutes ago, who do you think said:

 

You inventing a scenario where LeBron plays with Russell Westbrook and James Harden and imagining the fallout if they lost is the very definition of fanfiction. Not that I have an issue with fanfiction, but don't try to spin that **** as truth.

LeBron is by far the most criticized and scrutinized player in the NBA right now and it's not even close. Probably in all major sports, actually. It's not the stretch that you'd like to think it is to imagine that he'd get far more criticism if he was in Durant's shoes.

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20 minutes ago, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

Anyone who attacks any player's decision to join any team is an idiot.  Every player is entitled to take the job that is most attractive to him, for whatever reason.

And fans are equally entitled to think less of a star player for joining the 73-win team that they had just choked against.

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2 minutes ago, Lights Out said:

LeBron is by far the most criticized and scrutinized player in the NBA right now and it's not even close. Probably in all major sports, actually. It's not the stretch that you'd like to think it is to imagine that he'd get far more criticism if he was in Durant's shoes.

 

So you are making things up then.

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The "imagining" is based on facts. LeBron has already had a better career than Durant... fact. LeBron still gets criticized a lot more than Durant... fact. So based on these facts, guess what one can reasonably project would happen if he had the same career as Durant?

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To a great extent, LeBron's been forgiven for "the Decision" though certainly some haters linger.  But during his time in Miami, the criticism he took for that dwarfed the criticism Durant is taking.  Part of that was the manner in which LeBron did it and part of it was because he's better and, therefore, gets more scrutiny.  But you can't discount the impact of the Jordan and Kobe fanboys being worried about LeBron's ring count.

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I do feel for Clippers fans. They were a good, young team ready to take the next step. The league got rid that human piece of garbage they call an owner and they defeated the Warriors in a great 7 game first round series in 2014. Things seemed bright but then 2015 happened and they watched the Warriors pass them by. I'm sure they thought to themselves "that should've been us". That State Farm commercial with Steph & Chris passing each other on the escalator pretty much summed it up in a nutshell. 

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