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3 hours ago, Cujo said:

 

Will confirm Denver is NOT a Buffs town.

 

While we're at it, let me rank Denver fandom:

Broncos

Broncos preseason

Broncos offseason

What Elway and Von are doing off the field

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Rockies

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Nuggets

Avalanche

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College athletics

 

I’d even put the Avs and Nuggets behind college athletics. The ‘Rocky Mountain Showdown’ gets more attention than an Avs playoff game.

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19 minutes ago, TalktoChuck said:

I’d even put the Avs and Nuggets behind college athletics. The ‘Rocky Mountain Showdown’ gets more attention than an Avs playoff game.

 

As far as the city of Denver goes, the only folks who care about the Buffs or Rams are those who actually attended one of the schools. Great example of this: when I go to town out on a Saturday gamenight, I see just as much Ohio State and Oklahoma swag as I do CU, virtually no CSU, if that tells you anything.

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5 hours ago, NicDB said:


You're missing the point.  I'm not denying the local colloquial nuances at play in the triangle region, which I know is what the people who live there prefer.

I'm simply saying that, right or wrong, the term "Raleigh-Durham" has its share of cache outside of the Carolinas, and gave a couple examples of why.  And given that this forum has a lot more people from outside of the region than in, I thought it would be less confusing for all if I identified the region by its two main cities than used a much more localized term.  

 

I understand.  And I, as one of the people who actually live there, am trying to explain to you that to some people who live here using "Raleigh-Durham" is nothing short of offensive to them, almost in the same way as if I referred to Pittsburgh as "S***sburgh", New York City as "Jew York City" or Newark as nothing more than a suburb of New York.  It is seen by some here as a slur.  The "Research Triangle" moniker was supposed to solve it and instead muddled it up worse.  An understandable situation, but one that's easily corrected going forward by learning three basic things:  Raleigh is Raleigh.  Durham is Durham.  Raleigh-Durham is an airport.  Research Triangle is a marketing moniker that has no fixed geographic bounds and is used by different companies to serve different purposes, but generally doesn't get referenced by locals at all, in any context.

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14 minutes ago, Mac the Knife said:

 

I understand.  And I, as one of the people who actually live there, am trying to explain to you that to some people who live here using "Raleigh-Durham" is nothing short of offensive to them, almost in the same way as if I referred to Pittsburgh as "S***sburgh", New York City as "Jew York City" or Newark as nothing more than a suburb of New York.  It is seen by some here as a slur.  The "Research Triangle" moniker was supposed to solve it and instead muddled it up worse.  An understandable situation, but one that's easily corrected going forward by learning three basic things:  Raleigh is Raleigh.  Durham is Durham.  Raleigh-Durham is an airport.  Research Triangle is a marketing moniker that has no fixed geographic bounds and is used by different companies to serve different purposes, but generally doesn't get referenced by locals at all, in any context.


Well, just know that no offense was meant on my part.  I mean, I get it.  I don't particularly care for it when people refer to "Milwaukee" when they really mean West Allis or Whitefish Bay.  But since that's still technically Milwaukee County, I tend to let it slide.  Only if they really mean Waukesha, Brookfield, or somewhere outside of the county do I feel compelled to take a stand.  But I also work in broadcasting, so it's second nature for me to refer to a lot of places by their market name.  Especially when it's a region where the big three network affiliates are all in different cities.

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6 hours ago, Mac the Knife said:

I, as one of the people who actually live there, am trying to explain to you that to some people who live here using "Raleigh-Durham" is nothing short of offensive to them, almost in the same way as if I referred to Pittsburgh as "S***sburgh" (or) New York City as "Jew York City" 

 

Then those people are morons. 

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Would a better comparison be people in Boston who hate “Beantown” or people in San Francisco who hate “Frisco?”

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Just now, OnWis97 said:

Would a better comparison be people in Boston who hate “Beantown” or people in San Francisco who hate “Frisco?”

Probably a closer comparison would be people in Orange County being offended when they're referred to as LA.

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35 minutes ago, Gothamite said:

Then those people are morons. 

You sound like a guy from Jersey...  (dance)

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Now, there’s no need to be insulting. 😛

 

But to equate a name like “Raleigh-Durham” with the soft anti-Semitism of “Jew York City”?  Yeah, those people would be morons. 

 

 

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I don't know if I've ever said Raleigh-Durham, but I may have. It kind of is in the same category of Scranton-Wilkes Barre, right? I'm sure the distinction matters quite a bit to locals, but there doesn't seem to be a reason for anyone else to care.

 

Though interestingly, people generally don't confuse Minneapolis for St. Paul. Though I'd have to assume that's because people don't really think about St. Paul.

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1 hour ago, Gothamite said:

Now, there’s no need to be insulting. 😛

 

But to equate a name like “Raleigh-Durham” with the soft anti-Semitism of “Jew York City”?  Yeah, those people would be morons. 

 

 

Yeah...those are two different kinds of "offensive," which I why I brought up Frisco and Beantown.

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It's like Dallas-Ft. Worth or Tampa-St. Petersburg. And I'm guessing if I said "Raleigh-Durham" to someone from there, they'd say nothing, I'd say "aren't you going to get wildly defensive of your hometown?", and then they would say "oh, I'm from Pittsburgh."

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Wonder if people took "offense" to this:

 

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FWIW, I've never heard Raleigh mentioned in any singular context outside of these boards, and Durham only because of the minor-league baseball team.  I get that you're equating saying "Raleigh Durham" to anti semitism, but for a lot (probably most) of people outside of that area, that's how they know it.  Is it because of the airport?  Probably, but that's just what it is.

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To be clear, no one is equating use of "Raleigh-Durham" to anti-semitism.  It was a clumsy attempt on my part to devise a parallel of sorts.  If anyone was offended by the reference, I apologize.  Having innumerable Jewish friends and former business associates, if not recently learning that I'm part European Jew (thanks, 23andMe), will hopefully assure anyone questioning it that it wasn't my intent.

 

The Admiral's comment on the subject is remarkably spot-on though, in that virtually everyone who lives here now and is above the age of 16 likely came from somewhere else.  Consequently the offense level may not be what it once was.  And while the Skyhawks were (slightly) before my arrival in the area, I can tell you that there were businesses approached about corporate sponsorships and group ticket sales that turned them down flat out of offense over use of "Raleigh-Durham."

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On May 26, 2018 at 9:17 PM, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

Secondly, the Nets are most definitely not top dogs in Brooklyn, as Knick fans overwhelmingly outnumber Net fans in that borough as they do in every other borough. Indeed, there are probably more fans of the Celtics and Lakers in Brooklyn than there are fans of the Nets.

 

By taking the Brooklyn name rather than the name of their city, the Nets needlessly imposed a ceiling upon themselves. Even in the fantasy scenario in which every single Knick fan in Brooklyn had switched to being a Net fan, this ceiling would still be limiting the team. In the real-world scenario, it cripples them.

They may be Knicks fans but I guarantee that they own some form of Brooklyn Nets gear (a t-shirt or a hat or even a jersey), because it says Brooklyn on it.

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I now wish to add the New York Mets to the list of cursed/choking franchises. 

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23 minutes ago, tp49 said:

I now wish to add the New York Mets to the list of cursed/choking franchises. 

Willets-Point is cursed ground. The Mets don't just lose games, they do it in the most heartbreaking way ever. They lose in some of the most embarrassing ways possible that makes you go, "Well that's the Mets for ya."

I still have nightmares over 2007-08. 

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Submitting the New England Revolution to the list.

One of the founding teams of MLS, 5 appearances in the MLS Cup, and the only hardware they have is one Open Cup (2007) and the SuperLiga in 2008, which is no longer contested.

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Let's throw the Jets in there. So the story is Namath makes a deal with the Devil before Super Bowl III, "Give us this 1 win and the Jets don't have to win another for the rest of my life". Seems to be working. It's gonna be 50 years, no AFC Title to show for it but we got that damn butt fumble moment, huh? Gee, thanks Gang Green.

 

New York Knicks? Dolan and his fat little fingers cursed that damn team (and probably the Rangers). You can't be this bad at running a team. Basketball is the most popular sport in this city and that organization can't figure out how to build a good team? It's been 20 years since they were last relevant! They get a lucky 3 year run where they can only muster 1 series win. WOW. SUCH A GOOD JOB. WANT A COOKIE? (I bet he does). He has made a mockery out of this team and their fanbase and I am sick of it! 

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I'll mention some college suckatude.

 

The following Power 5 program have never won a NCAA team title in any sport.

 

Mississippi State (has fielded teams for 123 years)

Virginia Tech

Kansas State

 

Now, there are two others who I won't include as they "won" in Division 1 football: Pitt and Ole Miss. Pitt's 1976 Championship was unanimous (even though they claim eight others).

Ole Miss claims three with 1962 being recognized by three lesser of those who polled, but not AP or UPI.

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